T. Brown: "BJGE a future star in the NFL"

[Patjew]

That reminds me of how many passes Faulk dropped in his first few years.

He missed a couple on Sunday, too, surprisingly. That one 3rd down grab on the sideline was a beauty, though.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

It is what it is................

Let the BJGE era begin.

 

[Aßßynormal]

That reminds me of how many passes Faulk dropped in his first few years.

I was hoping that Maroney would follow Faulk as our third down back. Basically, following a similar career path.

 

[Fencer]

I was hoping that Maroney would follow Faulk as our third down back. Basically, following a similar career path.

Same here.

But Faulk always seemed to have a toughness about him even when it didn't show up in results (e.g. fumbling, or habitually getting stopped short of a first down). There was one play in his first Super Bowl that was just as impressive as the couple Redmond (who was ahead of him on the depth chart for pretty much the same role at that time) made. After that, it was no big shock when he succeeded.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

What really grips my trigger about the maroney disaster is some of the know-it-all homer clowns in here who sit on a message board and think they know a damn thing more than former players like Troy and bruschi who not only put their jocks on in the same room as lomo but also were on the field and practice sessions for over 3 years together - when they say that maroney was a bust and underachiever over these wasteful 4 years I would more believe they were more knowledgable than some moron who comes up with the 4.2 BS excuses as if that means lomo was a real good back

Let's face it ,Addai,Williams and of course MJD were better and are still with their original team - BB just picked the wrong guy here

Get over yourselves,bruschi and Troy have all but said maroney was a bust and still people on a message board on the Internet think they know more

Who would I consider a person with a better opinion of a player?- a message board professor who never put an nfl uniform on before? or a person who had played the game with the player in question...got news for you,it's not even close

 

[ALP]

What really grips my trigger about the maroney disaster is some of the know-it-all homer clowns in here who sit on a message board and think they know a damn thing more than former players like Troy and bruschi who not only put their jocks on in the same room as lomo but also were on the field and practice sessions for over 3 years together - when they say that maroney was a bust and underachiever over these wasteful 4 years I would more believe they were more knowledgable than some moron who comes up with the 4.2 BS excuses as if that means lomo was a real good back

Let's face it ,Addai,Williams and of course MJD were better and are still with their original team - BB just picked the wrong guy here

Get over yourselves,bruschi and Troy have all but said maroney was a bust and still people on a message board on the Internet think they know more

Who would I consider a person with a better opinion of a player?- a message board professor who never put an nfl uniform on before? or a person who had played the game with the player in question...got news for you,it's not even close

a LOT of teams passed on MJD....
the colts draft another 1st rd back, even WITH addai, shows how much they think of him...
williams ill give u

 

[SunnyDenmark]

What really grips my trigger about the maroney disaster is some of the know-it-all homer clowns in here who sit on a message board and think they know a damn thing more than former players like Troy and bruschi who not only put their jocks on in the same room as lomo but also were on the field and practice sessions for over 3 years together - when they say that maroney was a bust and underachiever over these wasteful 4 years I would more believe they were more knowledgable than some moron who comes up with the 4.2 BS excuses as if that means lomo was a real good back

Let's face it ,Addai,Williams and of course MJD were better and are still with their original team - BB just picked the wrong guy here

Get over yourselves,bruschi and Troy have all but said maroney was a bust and still people on a message board on the Internet think they know more

Who would I consider a person with a better opinion of a player?- a message board professor who never put an nfl uniform on before? or a person who had played the game with the player in question...got news for you,it's not even close

Good post.
I just want to add that time and time again BB has said he will stick with deveoping players as long as they keep getting better (as no one can actually know their ceiling - until they hit it). LoMo never really seemed to develop in other areas of the game. Blitz pickup: not very good, Pass catching out of the backfield: no real development (was hoping he would replace Faulk when he gets his AARP membership), KR - too injury prone, lead RB (fumbleitis just when he started looking less timid last year).

LoMo just never seemed to put it all together. And as obviously they weren't going to resign him - then I guess a 4th rounder is better than him stewing on the bench being 45 game day inactive for the year. Only reason to keep him would be injury insurance. I think Troy is alittle overly optimistic with his projection of BJGE as a future star. But if he can get 3.5+ YPC and avoid the big losses that LoMo would get every game, then setting up 2nd and 6 will leave the defense guessing and allow great options for run / pass. It just seemed with LoMO there were too many 1st down losses leaving 2nd and long - allowing the defense to get ready for the pass and pinning its ears back - ready to crush Brady to the turf.

Well I guess we know what position will be targeted with one of the top 4 (1st & 2nd round) draft picks in 2011 draft.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

It is what it is................

Let the BJGE era begin.

BJGE is a north-south runner if there ever was one, which is a little unusual for a smallish back. He's tough as nails and doesn't fumble. That said, BB's gambling a bit that law firm plus 3 older backs can get us thru this season. Also, I think it's safe to say that one of those top 4 picks next year will be a RB.

Maroney? I always liked him and saw plenty of examples of him powering it between the tackles. But he just couldn't do it consistently enough. We didn't even get a chance to see him this year really, he obviously lost the job during the August 2-a-days. He must have been on thin ice from the off season reviews that BB does, and then didn't come to camp ready to fight for his job.

 

[Bostonian1962]

I like Maroney more than most, but I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, and apparently Maroney does do what it takes to be great (according to this morning's papers). BB likes guys that eat, drink, and sleep football. For people like me that couldn't understand why LOMO was in BB's dog house, make no mistake, he was in there for some very specific reasons.

So, while I pulled for Maroney more than many, I completely get why they did this. Many wanted, or at least predicted he'd be cut. Instead, we got a 4th round pick for him. Overall, it makes sense. He wasn't going to play. He is in the last year of his contract. They got something for him. Now with the open roster spot, Mr. Mankins should be signed shortly.

 

[Bostonian1962]

BJGE is a north-south runner if there ever was one, which is a little unusual for a smallish back. He's tough as nails and doesn't fumble. That said, BB's gambling a bit that law firm plus 3 older backs can get us thru this season. Also, I think it's safe to say that one of those top 4 picks next year will be a RB.

Maroney? I always liked him and saw plenty of examples of him powering it between the tackles. But he just couldn't do it consistently enough. We didn't even get a chance to see him this year really, he obviously lost the job during the August 2-a-days. He must have been on thin ice from the off season reviews that BB does, and then didn't come to camp ready to fight for his job.

All due respect, I don't even think he's "smallish". I see him listed at anywhere from 215 to 220. Heck, Maroney was 220. That said, you make alot of good points.

 

[Bostonian1962]

What really grips my trigger about the maroney disaster is some of the know-it-all homer clowns in here who sit on a message board and think they know a damn thing more than former players like Troy and bruschi who not only put their jocks on in the same room as lomo but also were on the field and practice sessions for over 3 years together - when they say that maroney was a bust and underachiever over these wasteful 4 years I would more believe they were more knowledgable than some moron who comes up with the 4.2 BS excuses as if that means lomo was a real good back

Let's face it ,Addai,Williams and of course MJD were better and are still with their original team - BB just picked the wrong guy here

Get over yourselves,bruschi and Troy have all but said maroney was a bust and still people on a message board on the Internet think they know more

Who would I consider a person with a better opinion of a player?- a message board professor who never put an nfl uniform on before? or a person who had played the game with the player in question...got news for you,it's not even close

I hate to play devil's advocate, but it depends what your definition of bust is (sorry about my Clinton-speak here). It wasn't like he averaged 2.8 yards a carry and is out of the league. He had plenty of moments, over 4 yards a carry average, and should be in the leauge for some time. My guess is he just didn't put in the time or effort required to get to the next level. BB HATES that! Now he's gone. I respectfully don't look at Maroney and think bust. I think, all the talent in the world, but satisfied and unwilling to improve.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

As someone taken aback with BB's move with LoMo being no mo, given the risks from the age and injury history of the RB corps (excepting Law Firm) my speculation is that it has to be something along the lines of a onging conflict with the coaches in running style and philosophy and perhaps a locker room, work ethic approach to football issue. Where guys like Bruschi, Harrison and Brown can provide us insight is their behind the scenes connections with current players. Brown's opinion seems derived from this. Many of the 2010 BB moves seemingly have to do with blowing up the disfunctional locker room culture of the past season. Nothing more difficult to do in an organization and the only cure is geting rid of the bad apples regardless of how they produce for the org.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Over in the "big surprise for the '10 season" thread, I went with "Your starting runningback for the 2010 New England Patriots: Fred Taylor."

I also added a caveat that I'm not a Maroney-hater, but it should get some guys riled up... and I am sure that thread had plenty of guys that went further and had Maroney cut or traded.

Taylor is on the wrong side of 30 but has been getting low wear for the last few years b/c of MJD; will he make it through a 16-game regular season as a "featured back?" Nah, but he won't have to. As the "main" back in New England his carries are in the low 200s if that. It's just a pass-oriented team, with a lot of role-players that supplement even the "main" back. Faulk always has his role, BJGE is plenty good to spell Taylor when he needs it, etc.

Don't know what BJGE's upside is - I think a solid back, not a star.

By the way, and this is just me, I think of him as having a perhaps coincidentally Hebrew name, rather than a law firm. Ben-Jarvus Green means, literally, "Son of Jarvus [sic] Green." Ellis, of course, is his family name, from the English-language convention.

Now that's planning.

PFnV

 

[Triumph]

As long as Maroney runs like Star vs Oakland this season, Im happy.

Just lose Baby.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

As long as Maroney runs like Star vs Oakland this season, Im happy.

Just lose Baby.

Maroney will run like Star Jones vs. Oakland this season.

Okay, I just said that, frankly. He'll probably shred 'em... if he sees the field.

If Moreno's having a good year and they get highlight-reel yardage out of Maroney, you know they're going to call them Eminem.

 

[Nunchucks]

My problem with BJGE is that he is a 3 yards and cloud of dust guy. He isn't going to break many tackles, he isn't going to outrun the defense to the edge, he isn't going to break any huge runs and he isn't going to make anybody miss.

However, he will take the ball and hit the hole hard and bang around to get 3-4 yards.

What we gave up with the Maroney trade is a home run threat at the RB position, a guy who can make somebody miss, a guy who can break tackles and a guy that can beat the defense to the edge. The one thing that Maroney lacks, which BJGE has is consistency in picking up those north-south yards.

 

[Uncle Rico]

... Many of the 2010 BB moves seemingly have to do with blowing up the disfunctional locker room culture of the past season. Nothing more difficult to do in an organization and the only cure is geting rid of the bad apples regardless of how they produce for the org.

I was thinking the same thing. BB's definitely given the locker room an enema this year.

I wonder if there are any other players left who might fit the "disfunctional" characterization. I've seen a few references to how the DBs in general seemed off in their own world the last few years; I love the new guys they've brought in and have to wonder how Meriweather fits in. Obviously a good player, but I don't get the Patriot Way vibe from him that I get with Chung, McCourty and Butler. Curious what others think about how he fits in longterm.

 

[PatsfanGlo]

That reminds me of how many passes Faulk dropped in his first few years.

or fumble problem Faulk had. I still remember screaming at the tv back in earlier part of decade 'FUMBLE AGAIN! CUT HIS ***** ALREADY!' and now he is considered one of the best 3rd down back in the league. Here is to hoping BJGE follows similar path....

 

[patsfan-1982]

i think he could be a big part of the pats RBBC but not a star BJGE is a work horse type RB that would need 15 to 20 att per game to get that 65 to 70 yards a game to have a 1000 yard season and he will not get it



the pats running game was good on sunday but they only ran it 23 times in a game where they had a 31 to 3 lead with 29 min left

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

What really grips my trigger about the maroney disaster is some of the know-it-all homer clowns in here who sit on a message board and think they know a damn thing more than former players like Troy and bruschi who not only put their jocks on in the same room as lomo but also were on the field and practice sessions for over 3 years together - when they say that maroney was a bust and underachiever over these wasteful 4 years I would more believe they were more knowledgable than some moron who comes up with the 4.2 BS excuses as if that means lomo was a real good back

Let's face it ,Addai,Williams and of course MJD were better and are still with their original team - BB just picked the wrong guy here

Get over yourselves,bruschi and Troy have all but said maroney was a bust and still people on a message board on the Internet think they know more

Who would I consider a person with a better opinion of a player?- a message board professor who never put an nfl uniform on before? or a person who had played the game with the player in question...got news for you,it's not even close

Didn't Tedy just say that the Pats defense was "soft" and they would lose to Cincy on Sunday? Wasn't Collinsworth on Boston radio talking about how bad the Brady contract situation was going to be for the team?

You do realize the worst front office executive of all time (Matt Millan) was a borderline Hall of Fame linebacker?

We have many great posters here who take Pats football seriously and many in the "pro Maroney" camp make valid points. Besides when you look at Williams and Jones-Drew, they never played with an all world QB and could excel as the feature in their offense.

Different circumstances different places.