Rodney Harrison bashes Dungy

[Mainefan]

That was the Rodney we know and love. But these two guys must really despise each other. Dungy seems reluctant even to look at Rodney. Not that Rodney cares.

 

[ivanvamp]

I'm as big a Rodney (and Pats) fan as anyone here on this board, and cannot stand the Colts. I think Rodney is great on tv. That said, let me just make sure I understand this correctly:

Harrison criticizes Dungy = good, want to see more of it
Dungy criticizes (insert name here) = sanctimonious piece of crap, shouldn't do it

Just so I understand how the system works is all....

 

[patchick]

Yep, no doubt Colts fans think Rodney is the biggest %$#&! on tv.

Love him or hate him, what it comes down to is that Rodney is developing some star quality and should have as long, successful and controversial a career in broadcasting as he did in football. He's quick, well-spoken, opinionated and funny. That's a refreshing contrast to the likes of Dan Marino, who after all this time still sits tongue-tied in front of the cameras, looking so uncomfortable I can hardly watch.

 

[Nikolai]

Harrison criticizes Dungy = good, want to see more of it

Feel free to disagree, but I'm always up for Rodney beating up on Dungy a bit.

Dungy criticizes (insert name here) = sanctimonious piece of crap, shouldn't do it

Pretty much. I've never been much for the holier-than-thou type. YMMV

 

[fair catch fryar]

I'm as big a Rodney (and Pats) fan as anyone here on this board, and cannot stand the Colts. I think Rodney is great on tv. That said, let me just make sure I understand this correctly:

Harrison criticizes Dungy = good, want to see more of it
Dungy criticizes (insert name here) = sanctimonious piece of crap, shouldn't do it

Just so I understand how the system works is all....

Pretty much. Call a spade a spade because Dungy is always quick to judge matters that involve people off the field and pull out his soap box to preach how they should behave = *******.

 

[ivanvamp]

Feel free to disagree, but I'm always up for Rodney beating up on Dungy a bit.

Me too. I think it's fun.

Pretty much. I've never been much for the holier-than-thou type. YMMV

I guess I'm just not sure why it's holier-than-thou for Dungy to criticize someone but it's not holier-than-thou for someone to criticize Dungy. Seems like any form of criticism implies that the critic wouldn't have done what the person he's criticizing has done. That implies that the critic is more "right" or "holier" than the guy he's criticizing.

It can't be a one-way street.

That said, Dungy absolutely needs to accept criticism himself if he's willing to take the job of criticizing others. The two-way street has to work for him as well.

 

[ivanvamp]

Pretty much. Call a spade a spade because Dungy is always quick to judge matters that involve people off the field and pull out his soap box to preach how they should behave = *******.

So Dungy shouldn't behave that way?

 

[BradyFTW!]

I guess I'm just not sure why it's holier-than-thou for Dungy to criticize someone but it's not holier-than-thou for someone to criticize Dungy. Seems like any form of criticism implies that the critic wouldn't have done what the person he's criticizing has done. That implies that the critic is more "right" or "holier" than the guy he's criticizing.

It can't be a one-way street.

That said, Dungy absolutely needs to accept criticism himself if he's willing to take the job of criticizing others. The two-way street has to work for him as well.

The difference comes in the type of criticism offered. If Dungy wants to break down weaknesses in people's games, offer the actual football-related insight that one would expect a coach to have, talk about the philosophy of coaching a team... that would be really interesting stuff to hear. When he talked about how the Saints baited Favre into throwing that final INT in the NFCCG last year, for example, that was interesting. But inserting himself into other people's off-the-field situations to talk about what they should do if they want to be the moral beacon of righteousness that he is, that's just condescending, holier than thou BS.

 

[ivanvamp]

The difference comes in the type of criticism offered. If Dungy wants to break down weaknesses in people's games, offer the actual football-related insight that one would expect a coach to have, talk about the philosophy of coaching a team... that would be really interesting stuff to hear. When he talked about how the Saints baited Favre into throwing that final INT in the NFCCG last year, for example, that was interesting. But inserting himself into other people's off-the-field situations to talk about what they should do if they want to be the moral beacon of righteousness that he is, that's just condescending, holier than thou BS.

His job is to talk about matters relating to the NFL, not just x's and o's. The Bush situation is a *big* deal, not just for the NCAA, but also for the NFL, because Bush is a star. All kinds of people in the media are offering opinions on what the Heisman committee should do, what Bush should do, what USC should do, etc. Dungy also offered his opinion on it. In essence, he (Dungy) did nothing different from what other media figures have done. People here hate him (fair enough). But I find it ironic for people to criticize Dungy because Dungy criticizes others. Those that criticize Dungy are doing the exact same thing that they are saying Dungy shouldn't do - that is, offer an opinion about how people should (or shouldn't) act.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[fair catch fryar]

So Dungy shouldn't behave that way?

Dungy can behave anyway he wants, but I watch football because I want to hear about football. When a football analyst starts pontificating how others should behave in their personal life then I think he should keep his mouth shut. I would bet that Dungy has more than a few skeletons in his own closet that would probably contradict a lot of things that have come out of his mouth.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm as big a Rodney (and Pats) fan as anyone here on this board, and cannot stand the Colts. I think Rodney is great on tv. That said, let me just make sure I understand this correctly:

Harrison criticizes Dungy = good, want to see more of it
Dungy criticizes (insert name here) = sanctimonious piece of crap, shouldn't do it

Just so I understand how the system works is all....

Just remember that most people are idiots and have no notion of personal consistency. That covers pretty much everything.

 

[fair catch fryar]

His job is to talk about matters relating to the NFL, not just x's and o's. The Bush situation is a *big* deal, not just for the NCAA, but also for the NFL, because Bush is a star. All kinds of people in the media are offering opinions on what the Heisman committee should do, what Bush should do, what USC should do, etc. Dungy also offered his opinion on it. In essence, he (Dungy) did nothing different from what other media figures have done. People here hate him (fair enough). But I find it ironic for people to criticize Dungy because Dungy criticizes others. Those that criticize Dungy are doing the exact same thing that they are saying Dungy shouldn't do - that is, offer an opinion about how people should (or shouldn't) act.

Pot. Kettle. Black.[/QUOT

Says you, but that's not the way I see it. This MB has forums for everything from political banter to great places to eat. That's where that talk belongs. Like another poster said about Dungy, he has a lot of great insight when talking about football and I will listen to it, but he should leave his soap-box at home.

 

[Lansdowne]

And he just called Brees one of the top-2 QBs in the NFL. When Dungy tried to throw in Manning's name, Rodney shot him down :lol2:

I love Rodney, he's probably my favorite Patriot of all-time not named Tom Brady, but that's not how it went down. Unfortunately Rodney was too passive in that exchange. I recorded the pre-game and this was how it was said:

Harrison: "Matter of fact, Coach, if you look at the last two seasons, his (Brees') production has been off the charts. He's probably one of the top two quarterbacks in the National Football League."

Dungy: "Top two? Wow. So you're saying he and Manning, where's your quarterback?"

Harrison: "You put Manning's name in it!"

Dungy: "I assumed you did, yeah!"

Harrison: "I would have to say Manning."

For what it's worth, that exchange seemed rehearsed or, at the very least, forced. It would be consistent with what SVN mentioned earlier.

 

[ivanvamp]

Dungy can behave anyway he wants, but I watch football because I want to hear about football. When a football analyst starts pontificating how others should behave in their personal life then I think he should keep his mouth shut. I would bet that Dungy has more than a few skeletons in his own closet that would probably contradict a lot of things that have come out of his mouth.

I'm sure he does. But that's irrelevant. He gets paid to offer his opinions on these matters, not just x's and o's. That's his job. Tons of other media figures get paid in similar fashion to offer their opinions just as Dungy does.

We don't like Dungy. I get that. I'm fine with that. But I guess I think it's funny that we - who don't get paid to offer our opinions on things related to the NFL - feel free to criticize Dungy for offering his opinions on things related to the NFL, when that's his *job*.

 

[ivanvamp]

His job is to talk about matters relating to the NFL, not just x's and o's. The Bush situation is a *big* deal, not just for the NCAA, but also for the NFL, because Bush is a star. All kinds of people in the media are offering opinions on what the Heisman committee should do, what Bush should do, what USC should do, etc. Dungy also offered his opinion on it. In essence, he (Dungy) did nothing different from what other media figures have done. People here hate him (fair enough). But I find it ironic for people to criticize Dungy because Dungy criticizes others. Those that criticize Dungy are doing the exact same thing that they are saying Dungy shouldn't do - that is, offer an opinion about how people should (or shouldn't) act.

Pot. Kettle. Black.[/QUOT

Says you, but that's not the way I see it. This MB has forums for everything from political banter to great places to eat. That's where that talk belongs. Like another poster said about Dungy, he has a lot of great insight when talking about football and I will listen to it, but he should leave his soap-box at home.

I hear you. But NBC wants him to offer his opinions on all things related to the NFL, not just x's and o's. So he'll keep doing it. I guess if it bothers you so much, pretty much the only thing you can do is to not pay attention to him. Kind of like what I do with Borges.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Feisty Rodney or not, by the way, the show is still not watchable.

 

[SuperPatsFan]

On the pre game channel 4 show Dungy was asked what he told his players about a Repeat after winning the Super Bowl. Dungy replied that "its a new game , put the rings away.. etc..etc.. ".

Harrison leaned over to Dungy and said " Maybe they should have listened to Belichick".

Classic bash.

Tony Dungy...

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[SVN]

I love Rodney, he's probably my favorite Patriot of all-time not named Tom Brady, but that's not how it went down. Unfortunately Rodney was too passive in that exchange. I recorded the pre-game and this was how it was said:

Harrison: "Matter of fact, Coach, if you look at the last two seasons, his (Brees') production has been off the charts. He's probably one of the top two quarterbacks in the National Football League."

Dungy: "Top two? Wow. So you're saying he and Manning, where's your quarterback?"

Harrison: "You put Manning's name in it!"

Dungy: "I assumed you did, yeah!"

Harrison: "I would have to say Manning."

For what it's worth, that exchange seemed rehearsed or, at the very least, forced. It would be consistent with what SVN mentioned earlier.

well, he said the same thing today here
Harrison say Favre out of sync, Jets could start 0-2 - Dan Patrick.com
but clarified that brady missed all of 08 and came back from it last yr so it is to be expected that brees and manning were better in that time.

 

[Lansdowne]

well, he said the same thing today here
Harrison say Favre out of sync, Jets could start 0-2 - Dan Patrick.com
but clarified that brady missed all of 08 and came back from it last yr so it is to be expected that brees and manning were better in that time.

Yeah I figured he meant just in that time frame since he repeated it twice during that segment.