Fair Extension Value for Randy Moss???

[IcyPatriot]

How much and how long would you extend his contract?

I don't know if he would take it ... 2 years $10 million with a $6 million guarantee.

Would anyone pay him more than that anyways at his age?

Somehow i don't think Belichick would give him more than $4 million a year at a time.

I think he has a few years left of value even in a diminished role.

I believe he still has value as a leader, in the meetings, and at practice to the team.

 

[RussFrancis]

Wow. Are you serious?? 4 or 6 mil a year? For the player who's caught more TDs in the last 3 years than 2nd best Larry Fitzgerald by I believe 12 TDs?? Cmon, man. The man's gotta be worth atleast what his current contract is paying him, which is $9mil a year. 10mil for 2 is insulting. He's gonna probably end up hitting the open market and getting something similar to the deal he's currently playing for. Im sure he knows he's worth that. Im just not sure this team wants to pay it.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I dont think they mind paying him another 9 million a year I just dont think they want to tie him up for more than two more years. Maybe two years for $18 mill.

 

[Wheelssps]

I think one of the biggest hangups about Moss's contract is the CBA. The Pats obviously want Brady here, and Brady wants to be here, and yet look at how long it's taking them to work out a deal. Moss is in the same boat. People talk about Moss and a diminished skillset, but I just don't see it. He was hurt last year and was still one of the most productive WR's in the league. I would gladly give him 10 mil for two, or 14 mil for three, or something like that. In a heartbeat. I don't think it will happen until a CBA gets settled, but that's just me. I think the Pats want Moss here, it's just the CBA that makes them hesitant with just about every upcoming free agent they have.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

The problem is what kind of player is moss if he loses his speed? He is 33 (I believe) so that decline is coming soon. If he loses his speed he'll still be a very good possession type receiver, but that's not worth the kind of money he wants. I'd think about putting the franchise tag on him to keep him around another year, if not for Mankins. (Assuming Brady is extended.)

 

[IcyPatriot]

Wow. Are you serious?? 4 or 6 mil a year? For the player who's caught more TDs in the last 3 years than 2nd best Larry Fitzgerald by I believe 12 TDs?? Cmon, man. The man's gotta be worth atleast what his current contract is paying him, which is $9mil a year. 10mil for 2 is insulting. He's gonna probably end up hitting the open market and getting something similar to the deal he's currently playing for. Im sure he knows he's worth that. Im just not sure this team wants to pay it.

I hear you Russ but the Patriots are not going to pay him based on past production.

Sounds nice and all but he's probably past his peak production.

I think he can give more valuable key production in the next few years.

Less receptions and yards perhaps but still some major plays especially red zone.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

I hear you Russ but the Patriots are not going to pay him based on past production.

Sounds nice and all but he's probably past his peak production.

I think he can give more valuable key production in the next few years.

Less receptions and yards perhaps but still some major plays especially red zone.

The trick is how many of the next few years and how much is an excellent possession receiver worth to you? It's worth a certain amount, but probably not what Moss is asking for. Granted, I have no clue what Moss is going to ask for.

 

[RussFrancis]

I hear you Russ but the Patriots are not going to pay him based on past production.

Sounds nice and all but he's probably past his peak production.

I think he can give more valuable key production in the next few years.

Less receptions and yards perhaps but still some major plays especially red zone.

We could honestly say the same thing about Brady. We're about to pay him $18mil a year because he won 3 Superbowls over 5 years ago. And obviously we're hopeful he'll win another 1 or 2, but his best years are absolutely behind him. We're kidding ourselves thinking otherwise. But having said that, he's still probably worth the money. As is Moss. That level of salary I suggested wouldnt be to reward that 23TD season. I fully expect him to catch 15TDs for the next 3 years from this QB. IF we keep him.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

We could honestly say the same thing about Brady. We're about to pay him $18mil a year because he won 3 Superbowls over 5 years ago. And obviously we're hopeful he'll win another 1 or 2, but his best years are absolutely behind him. We're kidding ourselves thinking otherwise. But having said that, he's still probably worth the money. As is Moss. That level of salary I suggested wouldnt be to reward that 23TD season. I fully expect him to catch 15TDs for the next 3 years from this QB. IF we keep him.

Elite QBs don't degrade as fast as elite WRs, though.

 

[ahmed]

How many wide receivers had a better season than Moss last year? Add to that, he was injured a lot. He's still one of the top 5 receivers in the game. He will be worth as much as he is now, just a shorter contract. I want him here for as long as he is productive and with his style and skill set, he will be productive for a while longer. I just hope mgmgt thinks the same and they can fit him into the cap.

 

[ausbacker]

2 years @ 18 million with 12 million guaranteed. You reward performance and Randy has performed.

 

[reflexblue]

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How much and how long would you extend his contract?

I don't know if he would take it ... 2 years $10 million with a $6 million guarantee.

Would anyone pay him more than that anyways at his age?

Somehow i don't think Belichick would give him more than $4 million a year at a time.

I think he has a few years left of value even in a diminished role.

I believe he still has value as a leader, in the meetings, and at practice to the team.

these numbers were exactly what i was thinking

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[The Brandon Five]

T.O. got a one year deal last year for $6.25 million at age 35 and a one-year deal this year for $4 at age 36. I would think that Randy would have to get at least two if not three years at $5-$7 mill per. Maybe three for $15 mill with $9 mill guaranteed?

 

[bucky]

Since the thread says "extension", I'm assuming it would be executed now and not at the end of the season.

For comparison, the 3 highest paid guys right now are Marshall, Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson. All 3 are making around $10 mil/year for 4-5 year. Interestingly, neither of them hit the FA marked, so all 3 contracts were extensions.

Here are the respective stats for '07-'09:
Marshall (age 26): 46 GP, 307 rec, 3,710 yds, 23 TDs.
Johnson (age 29): 41 GP, 276 rec, 3,995 yds, 25 TDs.
Fitzgerald (age 27): 47 GP, 293 rec, 3,932 yds, 35 TDs.
Moss (age 33): 48 GP, 250 rec, 3,765 yds, 47 TDs.

Some interesting things to note:
- Ironically, Moss has been the most durable of the 4 guys, playing in every game.
- He has had the single best season out of the 4 (2007), as well as the single worst season (2008).
- Moss consistently gets significantly less receptions than the other 3 guys, but makes up for it with his TD numbers.
- Age has to be a factor, as Moss will be 34 in the first year of his extension.
- Moss' style is incredibly complimentary with Welker's - who get a lot of receptions, but not too many looks deep, or in the end zone. This has to be a consideration.

In the end, I think Moss is worth 2 years at the same 8mil/yr he got 3 years ago. If he has another very good year and hits the open market, he could get 3 yrs/25 mil with 20 guaranteed.

 

[Ungeheuer]

Since the thread says "extension", I'm assuming it would be executed now and not at the end of the season.

For comparison, the 3 highest paid guys right now are Marshall, Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson. All 3 are making around $10 mil/year for 4-5 year. Interestingly, neither of them hit the FA marked, so all 3 contracts were extensions.

Here are the respective stats for '07-'09:
Marshall (age 26): 46 GP, 307 rec, 3,710 yds, 23 TDs.
Johnson (age 29): 41 GP, 276 rec, 3,995 yds, 25 TDs.
Fitzgerald (age 27): 47 GP, 293 rec, 3,932 yds, 35 TDs.
Moss (age 33): 48 GP, 250 rec, 3,765




Question: does Moss have a clause in his contract that prohibits them from franchising him? I know that was somehow part of the deal when he came here. Seems to me he'd be an ideal franchise candidate, assuming Brady and (don't laugh) Gostkowski are locked up.

They are going to have a lot of pass-catching going forward, assuming some of the kids pan out. Hernandez and Gronkowski and Edelman give them a lot in the middle of the field. If Tate proves to be a decent outside receiver, that gives them enough to survive. If they can't get a 2-year extension, I'd franchise Moss next year and then turn things over to the kids in 2012. Does that make sense? Obviously I'd prefer him to stay through retirement, but I don't see this team doing that at the money Randy is going to want.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Moss will want to be paid as if he is will still be catching 23 TDs at age 37. And the Pats don't pay for past performance of a declining player....so 1/3 of it should be guaranteed money, 1/3 salary and 1/3 performance incentives.

 

[condon84]

2 years @ 18 million with 12 million guaranteed. You reward performance and Randy has performed.

This is fair contract. I would include maybe an option 3rd year for the same price.

Randy one of those freak athletes that's gonna be playing at a high level until he's 40.

 

[BradyMoss812]

This is fair contract. I would include maybe an option 3rd year for the same price.

Randy one of those freak athletes that's gonna be playing at a high level until he's 40.

I agree. That touchdown he had against the Rams in preseason showed me that his speed is still scary and probably will be for the next 2-3 years.

 

[ALP]

8 mill a year at the most at this point, something like 2 yr/ 16 mill and 6 mill of that is gauranteed

 

[Synovia]

I dont think they mind paying him another 9 million a year I just dont think they want to tie him up for more than two more years. Maybe two years for $18 mill.

This. Pay him whatever he wants. Just don't guarantee money past a year or two.