Project the 8 man practice squad

[Pats726]

Obviously, you must be seeing something I'm not, because I've looked at the rule, and everything I see tells me that neither Gutierrez nor O'Connell is eligible. What am I missing?

[I already stated my reasoning; if you're going to flat out say I'm wrong, certainly it's not too much to ask that you explain your logic.]

How many games has either played?? In how many seasons?? (Someone else actually mentioned MG as being eligible and I do not see where he would not be...)
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/495309-wheatley-psquad-eligible.html
I've added this thread about Wheatley..and the 15th entry about Gutierrez...ALSO if you look at the PS rules that are there HOW are either O'Connell or Gutierrez NOT eligible?? Neither has played in more than 5 games in a season. (Probably you would say the same for Wheatley...lol without knowing.)

 

[sg14]

Yea, it's been 2 disapointing years in terms of drafting some new OLmen.

The pre-season second unit was pretty sub-standard (I saw the Atlanta game only). I don't think Larsen nor Ornhburger are strong enough, so maybe some strength training would help but I don't have much hope there, and Welsh does not look very athelic.

I have not seen Bussey enough to form an opinion. (Should that stop me?)

I think that O-berger is gone. He had a golden opportunity to not only make the team, but be the #1 interior backup, and was cut. I dont see the point in putting him on the ps. I'd rather use the slot to bring in a different guy we think can develop who hasnt failed here already.
Huge, huge disappointment that he spit the bit.

 

[DaBruinz]

The latter may be true..but he STILL needs to take a look at the rule..and I guess you do as well...

So, instead of actually posting the rule or giving your reasoning, you take the "Because I said so route"???? *LOL* Sorry, but that is just dumb..

Man up and post the rule if you think there is something people are missing.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/495309-wheatley-psquad-eligible.html

By the way, look at post #7... Funny, that's YOUR post..

To makes things easier to explain, players who are eligible for the practice squad:
Have no prior Accrued Seasons in the NFL (An accrued season is six or more games on the active roster);
Have one prior Accrued Season in which the player was on the 45-man active roster for no more than 8 games; and,
Have been on the practice squad with a particular team no more than 2 prior seasons unless the team never had their active roster go below 53 players during the two years the player served on the practice squad. If that is the case, the player is eligible for a third practice squad season.

As was pointed out to you, Gutierrez was on the Active Roster for the Patriots for all but 1 game of the 2008 season. That is 15 games. That would make him ineligible. Gutierrez would also be ineligible because he already has 3 accrued seasons.

O'Connell, on the other hand, does seem to be eligible. However, that could change depend on how many games he was on the active roster for with the Jets.

 

[Patspsycho]

Teams have until noon today to pluck players off the wire.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I think that O-berger is gone. He had a golden opportunity to not only make the team, but be the #1 interior backup, and was cut. I dont see the point in putting him on the ps. I'd rather use the slot to bring in a different guy we think can develop who hasnt failed here already.
Huge, huge disappointment that he spit the bit.

Dante may have seen enough to say he's toast Andy, but I haven't. Obviously there's no skin off my nose if he's not signed to the Squad, but my hypotheses is O was considered more likely to clear waivers then another project kept on the 53. I think he's pretty much a one position player as OC/LG stints didn't seem as effective as his time at RG, that alone would make him a better candidate for putting in his additional work on the PSquad. If he does clear waivers and isn't re-signed at some point this season, then I will abandon all hope for him, I just see no hurry to write his epitaph.

 

[DaBruinz]

How many games has either played?? In how many seasons?? (Someone else actually mentioned MG as being eligible and I do not see where he would not be...)
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/495309-wheatley-psquad-eligible.html
I've added this thread about Wheatley..and the 15th entry about Gutierrez...ALSO if you look at the PS rules that are there HOW are either O'Connell or Gutierrez NOT eligible?? Neither has played in more than 5 games in a season. (Probably you would say the same for Wheatley...lol without knowing.)

BTW, the rule has nothing to do with whether or not they PLAYED in the game. It has to do with whether they were on the ACTIVE ROSTER. If you don't understand the difference, please let everyone know. I'm sure it could be explained to you.

 

[Ring 6]

Yea, it's been 2 disapointing years in terms of drafting some new OLmen.

The pre-season second unit was pretty sub-standard (I saw the Atlanta game only). I don't think Larsen nor Ornhburger are strong enough, so maybe some strength training would help but I don't have much hope there, and Welsh does not look very athelic.

I have not seen Bussey enough to form an opinion. (Should that stop me?)

I'm disappointed that OBerger blew his chance, but I cant really say its disappointing that 5th,6th and 7th round OL dont pan out. Those guys are long shots who need to develop, and many dont/

 

[patchick]

I'm disappointed that OBerger blew his chance, but I cant really say its disappointing that 5th,6th and 7th round OL dont pan out. Those guys are long shots who need to develop, and many dont/

When it comes to any given draft pick, that's certainly true. But the fact that the Patriots haven't successfully drafted an o-lineman past round 3 since Dan Koppen is a little disturbing. (That span encompasses 9 OL picks.)

 

[patchick]

Any thoughts on a QB other than Robinson for the practice squad? It's tricky to determine PS eligibility for QBs -- you can't always tell if they were active/did not play vs. emergency. But a surprising number of 3rd and even 4th-year quarterbacks remain eligible.

 

[DaBruinz]

Any thoughts on a QB other than Robinson for the practice squad? It's tricky to determine PS eligibility for QBs -- you can't always tell if they were active/did not play vs. emergency. But a surprising number of 3rd and even 4th-year quarterbacks remain eligible.

Based on the rules that Pats476 put up, I'm not sure how any QB with 4 accrued seasons could be eligible since the limit seems to be 3 accrued years

 

[patchick]

Based on the rules that Pats476 put up, I'm not sure how any QB with 4 accrued seasons could be eligible since the limit seems to be 3 accrued years

I'm not sure which post you're referring to, but I believe the 3-year limit refers to years on the practice squad, rather than in the league. (Didn't J.T. O'Sullivan spend time on the practice squad in his 5th NFL season?)

 

[DaBruinz]

Any thoughts on a QB other than Robinson for the practice squad?

It terms of QBs, I'd still like to see the Pats bring in Mike Reilly or Dan LaFavour, possibly even Colt Brennan.

 

[DaBruinz]

I'm not sure which post you're referring to, but I believe the 3-year limit refers to years on the practice squad, rather than in the league. (Didn't J.T. O'Sullivan spend time on the practice squad in his 5th NFL season?)

O'Sullivan did not have 5 accrued seasons.. He was in for 5 seasons, but did not have 5 accrued. I think that is the difference we are talking about.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

BTW, the rule has nothing to do with whether or not they PLAYED in the game. It has to do with whether they were on the ACTIVE ROSTER. If you don't understand the difference, please let everyone know. I'm sure it could be explained to you.

An active player who does not play gets a game check the same as an inactive player, yet I don't see how sitting the bench in uniform is substantially any different from the press box in terms of acquiring game status towards an accrued season? Whether Gute and O'flop are eligible is moot in my case, I'd much rather give Robinson the time and not return to past failures.

 

[patchick]

O'Sullivan did not have 5 accrued seasons.. He was in for 5 seasons, but did not have 5 accrued. I think that is the difference we are talking about.

I've read the PS rules backwards and forwards over the years, and I can't recall any reference to "3 accrued seasons." The rule I'm familiar with is zero accrued seasons, unless the player was active for 8 or fewer games in any/all accrued seasons. Here's a link to the cba text:
Practice Squad Eligibility?

If you have a source for the rule you're referring to, I'd love to see it!

 

[alamo]

As was pointed out to you, Gutierrez was on the Active Roster for the Patriots for all but 1 game of the 2008 season. That is 15 games. That would make him ineligible. Gutierrez would also be ineligible because he already has 3 accrued seasons.

O'Connell, on the other hand, does seem to be eligible.

Actually, it was O'Connell not Gutierrez who was active for 15 games in 2008, he started the year as 3rd (emergency) QB but after Brady went down he became 2nd QB and thus was active every game. So he wouldn't be eligible.

Kevin O'Connell - Official New England Patriots Biography

 

[sg14]

Yea, I was just thinking this, What has the Dante Acadamey done for us lately??

( Not blaming the coach, or maybe I should, didn't he pick the O'burger groceries??)

We had to pick up someone else's developmental player in liu of our own.

Plus this year BB touted those OL as being 4th round talent, yea right.

When it comes to any given draft pick, that's certainly true. But the fact that the Patriots haven't successfully drafted an o-lineman past round 3 since Dan Koppen is a little disturbing. (That span encompasses 9 OL picks.)

 

[Deus Irae]

Yea, I was just thinking this, What has the Dante Acadamey done for us lately??

( Not blaming the coach, or maybe I should, didn't he pick the O'burger groceries??)

We had to pick up someone else's developmental player in liu of our own.

Plus this year BB touted those OL as being 4th round talent, yea right.

Drafting players low is a bad way of restocking, regardless of position. There are a few exceptions (K, P, LS), but the general rule applies. Light was a 2nd rounder, Mankins was a 1st rounder, Vollmer was a 2nd rounder, Kaczur was a 3rd rounder. That's how you stock a line. Drafting your o-linemen in the late rounds gives you just about what we've seen, which is a lot of misses.

It's tough to make chicken salad....

 

[Ring 6]

When it comes to any given draft pick, that's certainly true. But the fact that the Patriots haven't successfully drafted an o-lineman past round 3 since Dan Koppen is a little disturbing. (That span encompasses 9 OL picks.)

I dont think its common at all to draft quality OL after round 3.
To get reserves who spend a year or 2 on the roster and/or practice sqaud and maybe develop one, sure, but I dont think you find a lot of starters there. I mean since Koppen we already had Light, and Neal and drafed Mankins 1, Vollmer 2 and Kaczur 3. That bar is set pretty high for a 4th-7th rounder to break into.

 

[Ring 6]

Actually, it was O'Connell not Gutierrez who was active for 15 games in 2008, he started the year as 3rd (emergency) QB but after Brady went down he became 2nd QB and thus was active every game. So he wouldn't be eligible.

Kevin O'Connell - Official New England Patriots Biography

I'm pretty sure Gutierrez spent a full season on the active roster. I do not think that being a gameday inactive matters.