Wheatley PSquad eligible??

[Pats726]

New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
Reiss listed the players that COULD make it to the PSquad and I was surprised to see Wheatley's name there. I know he played some last year although was inactive in many games...injured in the Colts game in 09...but thought he had MORE than the minimum. (My files are in another PC...so I can't check for sure..) Just seems a bit odd.

 

[Alyfoley]

New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
Reiss listed the players that COULD make it to the PSquad and I was surprised to see Wheatley's name there. I know he played some last year although was inactive in many games...injured in the Colts game in 09...but thought he had MORE than the minimum. (My files are in another PC...so I can't check for sure..) Just seems a bit odd.

it does seem odd, there must be some clauses that allows this.. I hope Reiss can explain this.. I'll see if he will answer a tweet to help clarify but if anyone here knows I am interested to see why.

 

[jmt57]

Shockingly that is correct. As long as a player has not played in at least nine games in one season, he is practice squad eligible. Wheatley played in six games in 2008 and five games last year. The other PS rule is that a player cannot be on the PS for more than three seasons; Wheatley has never been on the practice squad.

 

[AzPatsFan]

It's academic. There is no way the fourth rated or better CB is going to the Practice Squad. Or would even get there is they tried. :snob:

 

[Alyfoley]

Shockingly that is correct. As long as a player has not played in at least nine games in one season, he is practice squad eligible. Wheatley played in six games in 2008 and five games last year. The other PS rule is that a player cannot be on the PS for more than three seasons; Wheatley has never been on the practice squad.

Thanks! Do you think he will be placed on the practice squad?

 

[jmt57]

Thanks! Do you think he will be placed on the practice squad?

Absolutely no way. He would have to be cut first; another team would sign him. Being practice squad eligible is one thing; being able to realistically expect a player to sign to the practice squad is another. I would say any player drafted in the first four rounds over the last couple of seasons would most likely be signed by another team and would never make it to a team's practice squad.

 

[Pats726]

Shockingly that is correct. As long as a player has not played in at least nine games in one season, he is practice squad eligible. Wheatley played in six games in 2008 and five games last year. The other PS rule is that a player cannot be on the PS for more than three seasons; Wheatley has never been on the practice squad.

NFL Practice Squad Explained: Rules, Salary And Player Eligibility - Arrowhead Pride
OK a bit confusing here...from that article.......

"To makes things easier to explain, players who are eligible for the practice squad:
Have no prior Accrued Seasons in the NFL (An accrued season is six or more games on the active roster);
Have one prior Accrued Season in which the player was on the 45-man active roster for no more than 8 games; and,
Have been on the practice squad with a particular team no more than 2 prior seasons unless the team never had their active roster go below 53 players during the two years the player served on the practice squad. If that is the case, the player is eligible for a third practice squad season.
This is where it gets a bit confusing. A player with an accrued NFL season (6 or more games) isn't eligible for the practice squad but a player who played in fewer than 9 games is still eligible? Yeah, it's a bit confusing. "


He played in 6 games in one season...would that NOT be an accrued season in the NFL?? OK a bit of confusion...I thought it was 9 accumulated games...NOT...so??

 

[patsfan-1982]

they won't put him on the PS not when teams like the Dolphins are tradeing good WR's for guys like Benny Sapp, who may not be any better then Wheatley, i think he makes the team and ends up inactive for most of the year.

 

[Pats726]

The question was NOT whether IT WOULD happen...not likely as many have said OR ANYTHING to do with whether other teams would pick him up BEFORE..but of eligibility..which is the confusing part. Strangely, he MIGHT be eligible..but it is odd that a player who has been active in 6 and 5 games would be.

 

[patchick]

It's academic. There is no way the fourth rated or better CB is going to the Practice Squad. Or would even get there is they tried. :snob:

I'm with you -- Wheatley's been a pleasant surprise in camp.

 

[patsox23]

I will be infuriated if Wheatley doesn't make the 53. I've been as frustrated as anyone with his lack of development, but NOW he's finally developing. The guy's gotta stick.

 

[jmt57]

NFL Practice Squad Explained: Rules, Salary And Player Eligibility - Arrowhead Pride
OK a bit confusing here...from that article.......

"To makes things easier to explain, players who are eligible for the practice squad:
Have no prior Accrued Seasons in the NFL (An accrued season is six or more games on the active roster);
Have one prior Accrued Season in which the player was on the 45-man active roster for no more than 8 games; and,
Have been on the practice squad with a particular team no more than 2 prior seasons unless the team never had their active roster go below 53 players during the two years the player served on the practice squad. If that is the case, the player is eligible for a third practice squad season.
This is where it gets a bit confusing. A player with an accrued NFL season (6 or more games) isn't eligible for the practice squad but a player who played in fewer than 9 games is still eligible? Yeah, it's a bit confusing. "


He played in 6 games in one season...would that NOT be an accrued season in the NFL?? OK a bit of confusion...I thought it was 9 accumulated games...NOT...so??

It's not an accumulation of games over multiple seasons. In other words six games plus five games does not put him over the nine game threshold; it is nine games (or "no more than 8 games", as they say) in any one year.

As far as what an "accrued season" is, that's a term that is mostly used for amount of time before a player is eligible to become a free agent. An accrued season is one in which the player has been on full-pay status (active, inactive or injured reserve) for six or more regular season games.

That means Wheatley does not qualify under the first possible scenario (no prior accrued seasons). The second possible scenario to qualify for the practice squad would be if he was on the 45-man active roster for fewer than nine games in each of his accrued seasons that we were just talking about. This is where Wheatley qualifies for the practice squad, as he was active for less than nine games both seasons.

Credited-Seasons-Accrued-Seasons / News - NFLPlayers.com

The third rule about practice squad eligibility refers to the maximum number of seasons you can spend on the practice squad. This does not apply to Wheatley as he has never been on the practice squad. At some point it could become an issue for players like DeAngelo Willingham and Adrian Grady who have been on the practice squad before.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It's not an accumulation of games over multiple seasons. In other words six games plus five games does not put him over the nine game threshold; it is nine games (or "no more than 8 games", as they say) in any one year.

As far as what an "accrued season" is, that's a term that is mostly used for amount of time before a player is eligible to become a free agent. An accrued season is one in which the player has been on full-pay status (active, inactive or injured reserve) for six or more regular season games.

That means Wheatley does not qualify under the first possible scenario (no prior accrued seasons). The second possible scenario to qualify for the practice squad would be if he was on the 45-man active roster for fewer than nine games in each of his accrued seasons that we were just talking about. This is where Wheatley qualifies for the practice squad, as he was active for less than nine games both seasons.

Credited-Seasons-Accrued-Seasons / News - NFLPlayers.com

The third rule about practice squad eligibility refers to the maximum number of seasons you can spend on the practice squad. This does not apply to Wheatley as he has never been on the practice squad. At some point it could become an issue for players like DeAngelo Willingham and Adrian Grady who have been on the practice squad before.

That was my first thought...

 

[jmt57]

So to the best of my knowledge - I'm sure there will be a mistake or two that somebody will kindly correct me on - here is a list of players NOT eligible for the Practice Squad:

QB: Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer
RB: Laurence Maroney, Kevin Faulk, Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris, BJGE
WR: Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Sam Aiken, Matt Slater
TE: Alge Crumpler
OL: Matt Light, Sebastian Vollmer, Logan Mankins, Stephen Neal, Dan Koppen, Nick Kaczur, Mark LeVoir, Dan Connolly, Quinn Ojinnaka, Eric Ghiaciuc

DL: Vince Wilfork, Mike Wright, Gerard Warren, Damione Lewis, Myron Pryor, Ron Brace
OLB: Tully Banta-Cain, Derrick Burgess, Pierre Woods, Rob Ninkovich, Marques Murrell
ILB: Jerod Mayo, Gary Guyton, Eric Alexander
S: Brandon Meriweather, Pat Chung, James Sanders, Brandon McGowan, Josh Barrett, Bret Lockett
CB: Leigh Bodden, Darius Butler, Jonathan Wilhite, Kyle Arrington
S/T: Stephen Gostkowski, Jake Ingram



And below is a list of players that ARE eligible for the Practice Squad:

QB: Zac Robinson
RB: Thomas Clayton (? - spent '07 and '08 on SF's PS); Chris Taylor (? - '06 on PS, '07 on IR, 6 games in '08 then IR, IR in '09)
WR: Brandon Tate, Taylor Price, Buddy Farnham, Darnell Jenkins (? - 2 years on PS), Rod Owens
TE: Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Rob Myers, Carson Butler
OL: Ted Larsen, George Bussey, Rich Ohrnberger, Thomas Welch

DL: Brandon Deaderick, Kyle Love, Darryl Richard (is he still on the roster?)
OLB: Jermaine Cunningham
ILB: Brandon Spikes, Tyrone McKenzie, Thomas Williams, Dane Fletcher
S: Sergio Brown
CB: Devin McCourty, Terrence Wheatley, DeAngelo Willingham, Terrence Johnson, Ross Ventrone
S/T: Zoltan Mesko



Eliminate the players that would either not be cut, or would be signed by another team if they were, and the current list of Practice Squad candidates looks like this; keep in mind some of these players could still make the 53-man roster, and players currently on other teams could end up on the Practice Squad.

QB: Zac Robinson
RB: Thomas Clayton, Chris Taylor
WR: Buddy Farnham, Darnell Jenkins, Rod Owens
TE: Rob Myers, Carson Butler
OL: Ted Larsen, George Bussey, Rich Ohrnberger, Thomas Welch

DL: Brandon Deaderick, Kyle Love, Darryl Richard
ILB: Thomas Williams, Dane Fletcher
S: Sergio Brown
CB: DeAngelo Willingham, Terrence Johnson, Ross Ventrone



Perhaps somebody can enlighten me in regards to Clayton, Taylor and Jenkins. I don't exactly understand the rule about two years versus three years on a practice squad, and a team never having less than 53 players is applied.

 

[patchick]

Here's an odd name for the PS-eligible list: Matt Gutierrez. He was just released by the Bears, and he's never played more than 5 games in a season.

 

[Pats726]

It's not an accumulation of games over multiple seasons. In other words six games plus five games does not put him over the nine game threshold; it is nine games (or "no more than 8 games", as they say) in any one year.

As far as what an "accrued season" is, that's a term that is mostly used for amount of time before a player is eligible to become a free agent. An accrued season is one in which the player has been on full-pay status (active, inactive or injured reserve) for six or more regular season games.

That means Wheatley does not qualify under the first possible scenario (no prior accrued seasons). The second possible scenario to qualify for the practice squad would be if he was on the 45-man active roster for fewer than nine games in each of his accrued seasons that we were just talking about. This is where Wheatley qualifies for the practice squad, as he was active for less than nine games both seasons.

Credited-Seasons-Accrued-Seasons / News - NFLPlayers.com

The third rule about practice squad eligibility refers to the maximum number of seasons you can spend on the practice squad. This does not apply to Wheatley as he has never been on the practice squad. At some point it could become an issue for players like DeAngelo Willingham and Adrian Grady who have been on the practice squad before.

The first two parts are where the confusion is...as the accrued season part seems to NOT matter (As what if a player HAS one accrued season like Wheatley..less than 9..STILL eligible..) I wonder where THAT really applies now?? Obviously 6 games and 5..makes him OK for the P squad...I wonder if he played in 5 this year..still PS eligible next??

 

[patchick]

The first two parts are where the confusion is...as the accrued season part seems to NOT matter (As what if a player HAS one accrued season like Wheatley..less than 9..STILL eligible..) I wonder where THAT really applies now?? Obviously 6 games and 5..makes him OK for the P squad...I wonder if he played in 5 this year..still PS eligible next??

Here's where a lot of the confusion comes from: the standard phrasing of the rule is "or was active for no more than 8 games in his only accrued season." But the actual application of the rule is "seasons," plural.