Mangold deal coming today

[Deus Irae]

If Mankins were all about principle, then he wouldn't publicly complain about top-3 guard pay. If money is a factor, then it can't be about principle. You have to pick one or the other, and he's complaining about both.

This is simply incorrect.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

So apparently Mangold's deal is 7/$57M max with incentives and $22.5M guaranteed but for injury only. They could still cut him after the season, like Ferguson, and owe him nothing. No details yet on what he got up front. Personally I think it's a better deal than Ferguson's (apparently they were each given the choice of guaranteeing either skill or injury) because while you can't insure skill the cost of insuring career ending injury is prohibitive not to mention tough to prevail on in a claim. That's what all the talking heads keep missing, nothing is fully guaranteed in these deals. That is a sea change from the deals they are being compared to. Wilfork got his guaranteed money the old fashioned way, an $18M signing bonus in his hand in 2010 as well as his base salary. That $18M amortized against the cap at $3.6M per for the next five years implicitly guarantees he will see the first 3 years of his deal. Mangold and Ferguson aren't guaranteed to see anything beyond this year until the next league season which could be in 2012... A lot can happen between now and then.

Breer tweeted again that this just proves that the Patriots hide behind the CBA. Bert should check with Brady and Manning first and see what they'd say if offered rolling guarantees...and little or no signing bonus...

 

[BradyManny]

This is simply incorrect.

Explain how it's not correct.

The part Mankins is missing is that both of the two comparable interior linemen (Evans and Mangold) who have signed so far are better players than he is. If the Patriots realize this, then they are under no obligation to overpay for Mankins simply b/c of some "promise" he felt was made. By pretty much every metric and any tape breakdown I have seen, Stephen Neal - when healthy - has matched or outplayed Logan Mankins the last two seasons.

 

[Goal_Line_Stand]

mankins ain't your usual football player.

he has saved almost all of his money and is already set for life.

maybe it comes down to the simple notion that mankins doesn't want to be here

Logan, is that you!?

 

[Deus Irae]

Explain how it's not correct.

The part Mankins is missing is that both of the two comparable interior linemen (Evans and Mangold) who have signed so far are better players than he is. If the Patriots realize this, then they are under no obligation to overpay for Mankins simply b/c of some "promise" he felt was made. By pretty much every metric and any tape breakdown I have seen, Stephen Neal - when healthy - has matched or outplayed Logan Mankins the last two seasons.

1.) You are welcome to your opinion on those players. Not everyone agrees with you on it.

2.) Your post has nothing to do with the post I noted was incorrect.

 

[BradyManny]

1.) You are welcome to your opinion on those players. Not everyone agrees with you on it.

2.) Your post has nothing to do with the post I noted was incorrect.

I understand my post had very little to do with yours, only the first line had was directed towards your post. The rest was general musings on Mankins situation.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Speaking of deals coming today, where is that much touted Wednesday Revis deal posters were bleating about?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The Woodster says status quo...but what would he know, he's only the owner...

I'm beginning to wonder if someone in the Revis camp or someone in the Hard Knocks camp didn't decide to rattle some cages in the hope a groundswell of uphoria on the part of Woody's constituents wouldn't kick start something other than a rumor...

That mediot in Dallas must be sweating bullets. Although it's kinda like when Curran insisted Brady was in danger of missing the season. Get's you attention.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nson-says-revis-situation-remains-status-quo/

 

[MoLewisrocks]

More details emerge on Mangold's deal. Andrew Brandt does some comparisons but because of the guaranteed language difference it's really apples and oranges. Mangold can be cut without cost at the end of the season. Evans and Brown could not. Given the reports that the Mankins deal included signing bonus and legit guarantees, it's reasonable to assume he couldn't either.

Seems Mangold had to settle for an 8 year deal to boot. Apparently Mangold as well as Evans (and Mankins) were required to retain their remaining or RFA year :ugh:, so his average is actually $7.17M in total average value and $7.8M in average new money value. Guesstimates would put Logan at $6.43 and $7.0. So about $750K apart from Mangold.

Mangold got his 2010 salary replaced with a $6.37M signing bonus and $960K in salary. I assume Mankins deal would have similarly replaced his RFA tender with signing bonus and reduced salary, as did Evans. Mangold's first three year take is $22M or just over $7M per. We don't know what Mankins deal guaranteed or paid out in the first 3 although early on there were rumors of $25M. That is what Evans takes home in his first 3.

Evans only got $19M guaranteed, but it was fully guaranteed for skill and injury from day 1. As was Brown's $20M. Mangold gets $22M guaranteed, sort of, because in fact his skill guarantees don't kick in until 2011 or the start of the next league year and are rolling over the next two seasons. Because of this structure and the JETS penchant for moving on it is also important to note they can walk away from him half way through this deal with roughly $1.3M in dead cap and several million in cap savings...just saying. Significant signing bonus remains the best guarantee you see half of any deal. Which is why the QB deals will wait. Tom and Peyton don't want to get kicked to the curb or traded for draft picks four years into their to retirement deals when all their guaranteed money is accounted for. They want dead cap leverage to insure nobody in their FO gets trigger happy if they get a little banged up or have an off year.



Center of attention: Mangold's deal | National Football Post

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Sounds like a great job of financial negotiation by Jets management. They get a young very good player for fair value with an easy opt out along the years if he fails to produce. No matter whither the cap this is a good onging value to the JETS org.