The Jets Rebuiding...

[AzPatsFan]

I grow very weary of all the criticism directed at Belichick and the Patriot's Drafting prowess over the past four years.

So I decided to see how a really effective Team did building itself into the next powerful, Superbowl club, over that time. The Jets approach is to trade several higher round picks to secure a few premium picks and secure stars. Here are the results.
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Jets 2007
Daryl Revis 01 CB Probowl
David Harris 02 ILB near Probowl

And three UDFA made the club. Mike DeVito DE, Robert Turner OT, and J Iihedigbo S. DeVito has a couple of starts and may develop into a starter this year.

Pats 2007
Brandon Meriwether 01 S Probowl
Wes Welker 02 WR trade Probowl
Randy Moss 04 WR trade Future HOF

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Jets 2008
Vernon Gholston 01 DE BUST!
Justin Keller 01 TE good starter possible ProBowler
Dwight Lowery 04 CB nickle back, #4 CB
Erik Ainge 05 QB 4th string probably cut already

and three UDFA made the club. Danny Woodhead WR, Ropati Pituitua DE, Kerwin Cummings OLB, None are starters.

Pats 2008
Jerod Mayo 01 ILB DROY
Terence Wheatly 02 CB Inj and disappointment
Shawn Crable 03 OLB BUST & cut
Jonathan Whilhite 04 CB sometime starter and 4th nickle back
Matthew Slater 05 WR/S ST starter

And two UDFA made the the club BJGE RB, Gary Guyton ILB, Guyton is ILB incumbant starter, BJGE has a couple of 100 yard starts
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Jets 2009
Mark Sanchez 01 QB starter hyped future star
Shon Greene 03 RB annointed starter
Matt Slauson 06 OL

And one UDFA made the club. Jamaal Westermann OLB

Pats 2009
Patrick Chung 02 SS annointed starter
Darius Butler 02 CB starter
Ron Brace 02 NT
Sebastian Volmer 02 OT future Probowl LOT
Brandon Tate 03 WR probable starter
Ty MacKenzie 03 ILB possible starter
Rich Ohrnberger 04 G/C
George Bussey 05 OT
Jake Ingram 06 LS starter
Myron Pryor 06 DT !!
Julian Edelman 07 WR Starter !!!
Daryl Richards 07 DE

And one UDFA made the club. Brian Hoyer QB 2nd string and already started 1 game. Future starter here or elsewhere

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Jets 2010
Kyle Wilson 01 CB probable starter and nickle
Valdimir Ducasse 02 LG annointed starter
Joe Mcknight 04 RB annointed 3rd down back
John Connor 05 FB annointed eventual successor to Tony Rchardson when he retires

Pats 2010
Devin McCourty 01 CB probable starter and nickle
Rob Grounkowski 02 TE
Jermaine Cunningham 02 OLB
Brandon Spikes 02 ILB already a starter
Taylor Price 02 WR
Aaron Hernandez 04 TE
Zoltan Mesko 05 P already a starter
Ted Larsen 06 C/G
Thomas Welch 07 T
Brandon Deadrick 07 DE
Kade Wilson 07 DE/NT

And probably one UDFA will make the club's PS. Dane Fletcher ILB
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[sarc on]

It is really illuminating to see a throughly, professional Team which has mastered the art of drafting, only produce 1 BUST in Top Ten picks, and one starter from its UDFAs. Meanwhile it has produced as many as 8 starters from its past four drafts. They have a possible single starter from their 4 dsicovered UDFAs.

By comparison, the hopelessly, incompetent Patriots have produced only two ProBowlers and traded picks for only another Probowler; and also another HOF WR. They have only managed to produce 12 confirmed starters, and 8 more probable starters this season, for a total of 20. Meanwhile they have been able to find only three starters from among their 4 discovered UDFAs, over the past four years.

It is easy to see how the Jets have caught up and surpassed the Patriots in the quality of their roster. Drafting as they have in a better and preferential position every year, and using their picks most wisely.

[sarc off]

Bonus Question for All:

Lets put the press hype and media puffery in its place.

Who is the Better QB to come from the 2009 college Draft? Mark Sanchez, 6-2 220, USC, 53.8% comp, and 63.0 QBR; or Brian Hoyer 6-2 215, Michigan State, 70.4% comp, and 82.6 QBR ?

 

[BradyToAmendola]

Very good and interesting post. But wouldn't it be fair to include the 2006 draft as well, considering in that draft the Jets added 2 of the best offensive linemen in the NFL at their respective positions in Nick Mangold and D'brickshaw Ferguson? As well as Eric Smith who I believe is a starter currently and Leon Washington who was pretty good in his time there.

I agree for the most part though, our drafts have been just as good if not better than theirs with the exception of the 06 draft.

 

[Patriot 37]

No Love for Edelman ?

 

[Gunnails]

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Who is the Better QB to come from the 2009 college Draft? Mark Sanchez, 6-2 220, USC; or Brian Hoyer 6-2 215, Michigan State ?

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How many people outside of Pat fans even know who Hoyer is?

I know who he is, but I could not pick him out of a line up, is he any good?

 

[Rob0729]

I think we saw Monday night about the positives and negatives of the Jets' drafting strategy. They try to put all their eggs in one basket (or a few basket) which produces solid (if not Pro Bowl) starters. The problem is that they sacrifice depth and they look incredibly shallow at most positions. The Jets could be in serious trouble if they get a rash of injuries at some positions.

With the Pats, they have some good starters and far better depth. Over a 16 game season if you are hit with injuries, this is a better way to go.

 

[Deus Irae]

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How many people outside of Pat fans even know who Hoyer is?

I know who he is, but I could not pick him out of a line up, is he any good?

He looks fine in practices and exhibition games. Then again, so does Sanchez, but he sucks when it matters.

 

[jah]

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How many people outside of Pat fans even know who Hoyer is?

I know who he is, but I could not pick him out of a line up, is he any good?

You'd actually be surprised at how good he is, given that he was an UDFA a year ago. He's rather conservative with his passing, though. He doesn't really throw it far, but he doesn't force passes into places where it could likely be picked off. Of course, this is just judging from what I've seen during the Titans, Texans, and preseason Saints games. But one thing is for sure, whether it be good or bad: he's more careful with his passing than Sanchize.

 

[Rob0729]

In fairness, I don't think we can compare Sanchez and Hoyer. Hoyer has looked great when he was in, but it is mostly against back ups. Monday night, Sanchez was 8 for 8 against the Giants' back ups and moved the ball down the field. He looked average against the starters, but HOF-like against the back ups. So I think saying Hoyer is better now is a stretch.

Hoyer could be better, but the only way we will ever find out while he is a Patriot is the last thing we all want to happen. So I will conceed that Sanchez is better until we see otherwise.

 

[AzPatsFan]

No Love for Edelman ?

OOOOOOpps! i'll fix it.

 

[Mangold74]

I think we saw Monday night about the positives and negatives of the Jets' drafting strategy. They try to put all their eggs in one basket (or a few basket) which produces solid (if not Pro Bowl) starters. The problem is that they sacrifice depth and they look incredibly shallow at most positions. The Jets could be in serious trouble if they get a rash of injuries at some positions.

With the Pats, they have some good starters and far better depth. Over a 16 game season if you are hit with injuries, this is a better way to go.

What positions is the depth of the Pats that much better then the Jets?

I believe in building through the draft, but when the Jets started to rebuild with the 2006 draft they had very little talent on this team across the board.

They used every possible resource to build this team:
Draft
Brick
Mangold
Eric Smith
Brad Smith
Leon Washington
Drew Coleman
Harris
Revis
Keller
Lowery
Sanchez
Greene
Slauson
Kyle Wilson
Ducasse
Connor
Mcknight

Trade
Jenkins
Braylon
Santonio
Cromartie

Free Agent
Woody
Richardson
Bart Scott
Calvin Pace
Pool
Leonhard
Tomlinson
Taylor

UDFA
Devito
Westerman
Ihedibo


Holdovers
Brandon Moore
Shaun Ellis
Cotchery

So while I agree that drafting is the most important aspect of building a team, Mike Tannenbaum has proven that you have to use every possible resource. With the quantity of picks the Pats have had every year they should have more impact players.

 

[NE39]

If you are going to give the Pats credit for trading picks for Moss and Welker as part the the draft, then you should do the same for the Jets.

The Jets traded draft picks for Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Kris Jenkins, Kevin O'Connell and Antonio Cromartie.

 

[Deus Irae]

So while I agree that drafting is the most important aspect of building a team, Mike Tannenbaum has proven that you have to use every possible resource. With the quantity of picks the Pats have had every year they should have more impact players.

1.) The Patriots have been drafting at the lower end of the drafts. The Jets have been drafting from higher positions.

2.) The Patriots have traded down to accumulate picks. That increases the chances of finding starting players, based upon percentages, but it also lessens the chances of finding elite talent, also based upon percentages.

 

[Deus Irae]

If you are going to give the Pats credit for trading picks for Moss and Welker as part the the draft, then you should do the same for the Jets.

The Jets traded draft picks for Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Kris Jenkins, Kevin O'Connell and Antonio Cromartie.

Edwards has been a bust of a trade to date, as has O'Connell. Cromartie just happened, as did Holmes. Jenkins, when healthy, has been a good move.

 

[AzPatsFan]

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How many people outside of Pat fans even know who Hoyer is?

I know who he is, but I could not pick him out of a line up, is he any good?

They said the same thing about a reserve QB from USC who never even started in college, name of Matt Cassell... until he started and went 11-5 too. Hoyer's 70.4% and 82.8 QBR was a mite better than fellow 2009 Freshman Sanchize, who went 53.8% and a 63.0 QBR.

Those latter numbers are only HOF numbers for one guy. A QB who completed just 51% of his passes, and threw 40 more INTs than TDs in his career. Do you really want me to broadcast his ignominious identity, with such sh!tty stats. He too like Sanchize, was a pure publicity hype and media frenzy, from the NY media. :rocker:

 

[Rob0729]

What positions is the depth of the Pats that much better then the Jets?

I believe in building through the draft, but when the Jets started to rebuild with the 2006 draft they had very little talent on this team across the board.

They used every possible resource to build this team:
Draft
Brick
Mangold
Eric Smith
Brad Smith
Leon Washington
Drew Coleman
Harris
Revis
Keller
Lowery
Sanchez
Greene
Slauson
Kyle Wilson
Ducasse
Connor
Mcknight

Trade
Jenkins
Braylon
Santonio
Cromartie

Free Agent
Woody
Richardson
Bart Scott
Calvin Pace
Pool
Leonhard
Tomlinson
Taylor

UDFA
Devito
Westerman
Ihedibo


Holdovers
Brandon Moore
Shaun Ellis
Cotchery

So while I agree that drafting is the most important aspect of building a team, Mike Tannenbaum has proven that you have to use every possible resource. With the quantity of picks the Pats have had every year they should have more impact players.

The Pats are deeper in the secondary, ILB, RB, WR, d-line (although there are questions with their starters at this point), and possibly o-line. I would say the Jets are better at many of those positions starting, but not with depth. It was quite clear based on how both back ups played in the first preseason game that the Pats seem to be ahead of the Jets by a wide margin in the depth department.

As for the quantity picks, the Pats haven't had quantity picks until last year. They had seven picks in 2008. They had 9 in 2007, but six were in the sixth and seventh round. They had 10 in 2006, but 5 of them were fifth round or later. With so many late round picks in those years, you look for depth more than "impact players".

In the last two years, the following players look to be "impact players":

Pat Chung (starter)
Sebatian Vollmer (starter)
Darius Butler (probable starter)
Brandon Tate (probably starter in a 3 WR set)
Tyrone McKenzie (role player)
Jake Ingram (near perfect long snapper)
Julian Edelman (possible starter)
Devin McCourty (possible starter)
Brandon Spikes (starter)
Rob Gronkowski (probable starter)
Jermaine Cunningham (possible starter)
Taylor Price (could be a good role player)
Aaron Hernandez (possible starter)
Zoltan Mesko (starting punter)

 

[JackBauer]

the Jets added 2 of the best offensive linemen in the NFL at their respective positions in Nick Mangold and D'brickshaw Ferguson?

Thanks. I needed the laugh.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Very good and interesting post. But wouldn't it be fair to include the 2006 draft as well, considering in that draft the Jets added 2 of the best offensive linemen in the NFL at their respective positions in Nick Mangold and D'brickshaw Ferguson? As well as Eric Smith who I believe is a starter currently and Leon Washington who was pretty good in his time there.

I agree for the most part though, our drafts have been just as good if not better than theirs with the exception of the 06 draft.

That is a fair response. Why don't you fill in a few more years back, and post it here? i'm too tired of doing the research.

I predict it wouldn't be much different as i can think of Logan Mankins, Ty Warren and and Laurance Maroney to offset Leon Washington and Nick Mangold and D Brick, off the top of the head.

 

[JackBauer]

The Jets traded draft picks for Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Kris Jenkins, Kevin O'Connell and Antonio Cromartie.

One of these is not like the others.

 

[Deus Irae]

Very good and interesting post. But wouldn't it be fair to include the 2006 draft as well, considering in that draft the Jets added 2 of the best offensive linemen in the NFL at their respective positions in Nick Mangold and D'brickshaw Ferguson? ...

We've been through the "D'Bust" thing several times in the past. He's only the 3rd or 4th best LT in his own division. Light is better, Long is better and Vollmer may be better.

 

[AzPatsFan]

If you are going to give the Pats credit for trading picks for Moss and Welker as part the the draft, then you should do the same for the Jets.

The Jets traded draft picks for Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Kris Jenkins, Kevin O'Connell and Antonio Cromartie.

Fair is fair.

Please post the picks they paid for the likes of Jailbird, Braying, Kris Jenkins, KrOCk, and Pollen mutha.

Notice that I spelled out Kris Jenkins name as he has no past that merits censure...