Tyrone McKenzie drawing rave reviews at TC

[JackBauer]

We've been through this. Guyton is marginal at every position and situation. He can't set the edge. Hes can't hold the point of attack consistently. He is average in coverage and has trouble reading routes. He is an outstanding backup but just doesn't have the size to stack the line or hold OLs steady.

There was some conversation on Spikes playing some ILB, but I don't think thats the best way to use him.

Guyton is better than you're giving him credit for.

 

[Sciz]

I don't see Mayo, Spikes, McKenzie, or Guyton getting any regular snaps at OLB.

 

[italia44]

McKenzie has been working out in Will and Spikes has been working out of Mike.. neither of them are going to compete to start alongside Mayo, it will be Guyton for at least the start of the season.

No,it's not going to go this way....Next to Guyton,Mayo,like last year,would be playing out of his natural position.If there's one thing BB is determined to do,it's get Mayo back in place.

Guyton will be ok as a 3rd down Ilb in some sub-packages,but next to Mayo on running plays..
un-unh.......same problem as last year.Once the guard/center gets to Guyton,he's toast.Can't shed or penetrate like Mayo...or McKenzie,for that matter.I'm hoping Spikes works out and we get some penetration from Warren/Lewis/Wright at RDE.This will make them pay for double-teaming Wilfork.....The solution to the outside rush,is to solidify the inside.....first and foremost.

My nightmares were what Buffalo did to us in the first game and what Chad Henne can do,not the Saints and Ravens games.Fix the INSIDE run defense......get some INSIDE penetration at RDE and the OUTSIDE,will fall into place.

That's the way I see it......can't wait.

 

[DaBruinz]

We've been through this. Guyton is marginal at every position and situation. He can't set the edge. Hes can't hold the point of attack consistently. He is average in coverage and has trouble reading routes. He is an outstanding backup but just doesn't have the size to stack the line or hold OLs steady.

There was some conversation on Spikes playing some ILB, but I don't think thats the best way to use him.

Spikes was drafted to be the SILB next to Mayo. Not sure why you think it's not the best way to use him..

As for Guyton, when has he taken ANY significant reps at OLB? He hasn't. He was there for ONE GAME last year against the Seahawks. But you can't be daft enough to think you can judge him on ONE game.

As for "having the size" Guyton is 6'2 and change and 245+ when he was drafted. He's been with the team a couple of years now and there's a good chance he's playing a bit heavier.

 

[Kasmir]

Are the "rave reviews" for McKenzie based on more than the one tackle of Maroney?

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

LOL to the people that think Guyton will still be a starter at SILB. They just drafted McKenzie and Spikes because they felt like it.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Are the "rave reviews" for McKenzie based on more than the one tackle of Maroney?

I think so. From the link i attached:

"McKenzie has shown a strong ability to get to the ball during his chances in practice."

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LOL to the people that think Guyton will still be a starter at SILB. They just drafted McKenzie and Spikes because they felt like it.

true that. every time i think of guyton i see images of ray rice running all over our linebackers.

 

[patsfan-1982]

BB is very picky with who plays OLB for he's system one of the reasons why we have not seen anyone the pats have drafted other then TBC turn into a impact player at OLB


Tyrone McKenzie, is only 6.2 243lbs not big a nuff to set the edge. i would like to see Guyton, become more of a pass rusher on 3rd and long he did a nice job the few times they blitzed him from the inside last year.

 

[Ring 6]

Spikes was drafted to be the SILB next to Mayo. Not sure why you think it's not the best way to use him..

As for Guyton, when has he taken ANY significant reps at OLB? He hasn't. He was there for ONE GAME last year against the Seahawks. But you can't be daft enough to think you can judge him on ONE game.

As for "having the size" Guyton is 6'2 and change and 245+ when he was drafted. He's been with the team a couple of years now and there's a good chance he's playing a bit heavier.

We dont typically flip the players when the formation strength changes, Bruschi commented on this the other day. So there really isnt a differene between SILB and WILB since the offense can send the strength to either side.

 

[TheComeback]

Of all our ILB, Spikes is most suited to situational reps at OLB. Even he is a bit light for that, but he has the strength and technique to pull it off on a limited basis, and I think he would be useful there.

Florida lined him up at defensive end on some occasions, for instance, which is the most comparable position to 3-4 OLB. He can definitely edge rush and I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see him eventually stepping into that role on a situational basis at some point.

 

[Calciumee]

Loving the reports on TMc!

He has a year of missed football to make up for, and seems to be bringing it!

 

[RobertWeathers]

Spikes was drafted to be the SILB next to Mayo. Not sure why you think it's not the best way to use him..

As for Guyton, when has he taken ANY significant reps at OLB? He hasn't. He was there for ONE GAME last year against the Seahawks. But you can't be daft enough to think you can judge him on ONE game.

As for "having the size" Guyton is 6'2 and change and 245+ when he was drafted. He's been with the team a couple of years now and there's a good chance he's playing a bit heavier.

I messed up. Meant OLB. He is a ILB all the way IMO.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Guyton is better than you're giving him credit for.

34 MLBs played 60% of the snaps and Guyton was 30th in stops and last in coverage. Hes not great in prime time. Fine for spot duty.

Hes intelligent and knows the defense. I'm glad he is on the team. So is BB- but not as a prime time player.

 

[condon84]

Guyton seems like he's got the speed to be an edge rusher, but he may not have the physicality to take on pulling guards. He had a hard time filling holes and stepping up last year in the middle, I don't know if he can take on the physical play at the line of scrimage play after play at OLB.

This may sound like a crazy idea, but how would Mayo do at OLB. He's got the physicality to play there and also has enough speed (only if Spikes and McKenzie can shore up the middle).

 

[wcpatsfan]

My opinion on Guyton: nice guy to have as a backup, but if he sees 80 percent of the snaps again this year I will be VERY dissapointed (and I think the coaching staff will be too!).

 

[BritPat]

Guyton was better than Mayo last year.

That may have been because Jerod was carrying an injury, but he was. The guy is a third-year UDFA - why are people expecting so much of him? He was thrown in at the deep end without barely any veteran presence alongside him in the most complex defense in the league last year, and responded manfully.

I think we're going to see him turn into a very competent, steady and solid performer given time.

As for McKenzie, if people think he isn't suited for playing either of the ILB roles in our defense, go back and watch his college tape. Good in coverage, and a terrific run defender. He reminds me a lot of Bart Scott.

 

[PatsBoy12]

This is very encouraging.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Guyton was better than Mayo last year.

That may have been because Jerod was carrying an injury, but he was. The guy is a third-year UDFA - why are people expecting so much of him? He was thrown in at the deep end without barely any veteran presence alongside him in the most complex defense in the league last year, and responded manfully.

I think we're going to see him turn into a very competent, steady and solid performer given time.

As for McKenzie, if people think he isn't suited for playing either of the ILB roles in our defense, go back and watch his college tape. Good in coverage, and a terrific run defender. He reminds me a lot of Bart Scott.

Guyton has exceeded expectations no question.

 

[RussFrancis]

I think we all love the depth we're developing at ILB, but Guyton in particular just cant be expected to be a starter at this point. Either McKenzie or Spikes needs to be shoved in the deep end immediately, and expected to swim. Its the only way this team takes that next step, at least as far as the ILBs are concerned.

Guyton at this point adds tremendous depth because he's gained experience filling in. And that's very valuable. But a starter? Not if we have serious playoff aspirations. At least not in my opinion.

McKenzie just looks like he's worked himself into a complete beast at this point. He and Spikes battling it out over that 2nd ILB spot is seriously encouraging.

Now, if only Cunningham steps up and does what rookies dont typically do.