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believe what you want. before he signed with the heat you would have said the same thing. you have zero credibility on the lebron issue. hes on the heat now and you dont care what he says does or did as long as hes on the heat. :rolleyes:

Before he was on the Heat, I was saying that I would have rather had a great supporting cast around Wade and Bosh than have signed him. Look it up. Since then I've said that this needs to be Wade's team and not LeBron's. Look that up. However, with all the red herrings you just threw out aside, saying that you would rather have Paul Pierce right now than LeBron James is pretty much as big of a bold faced lie as it gets. Not to mention completely ridiculous. Sorry, I just don't believe you.
 
That's why they play the games though, right?

True...but it can backfire against them when it matters most especially if King James can't keep a cool head and let Wade take charge when they need it.
 
True...but it can backfire against them when it matters most especially if King James can't keep a cool head and let Wade take charge when they need it.

This is why Spoelstra already has a short leash. If this happens, I believe Riley will be stepping back in a lot quicker than he did before when SVG was running the team into the ground in spite of all the talent. But if the biggest problem this team will have is knowing who to take charge and when to let them do it, then I'll take that any day of the week.
 
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This is why Spoelstra already has a short leash. If this happens, I believe Riley will be stepping back in a lot quicker than he did before when SVG was running the team into the ground in spite of all the talent. But if the biggest problem this team will have is knowing who to take charge and when to let them do it, then I'll take that any day of the week.

That wouldn't be the only problem, the egos, the whining, the scrutiny will follow the power struggle and that will do more damage than James not deferring to Wade.
 
That wouldn't be the only problem, the egos, the whining, the scrutiny will follow the power struggle and that will do more damage than James not deferring to Wade.

Maybe you saw something different, but I didn't see any of those issues during the Olympics. I saw Team USA working together as a TEAM for the first time in years.
 
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I've said from day one that this needs to be Wade's team.


Yup .... no question ... if lebron sees that then Heat fans will be happy.

I've been saying for a few years that Lebron should concentrate on being a SF or PF depending on the matchup that game. When he brings the ball up the floor his team plays stagnant. On a lesser scale this is what Antoine Walker did as a Celtic ... when he had the ball there was not enough movement. Of course Antoine was not at Lebrons level.
 
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believe what you want. before he signed with the heat you would have said the same thing. you have zero credibility on the lebron issue. hes on the heat now and you dont care what he says does or did as long as hes on the heat. :rolleyes:

Heat fans are salivating like male dogs ... Lebron is the female dog in heat.:p
 
Maybe you saw something different, but I didn't see any of those issues during the Olympics. I saw Team USA working together as a TEAM for the first time in years.

That isn't the same when pride and humiliation and redemption was at stake...with the Heat it is an entirely different situation.

I am extremely skeptical of Lebron until he plays in the playoffs and I see him clearly deferring to the real leader of the team...
 
That isn't the same when pride and humiliation and redemption was at stake...with the Heat it is an entirely different situation.

I am extremely skeptical of Lebron until he plays in the playoffs and I see him clearly deferring to the real leader of the team...

How is it different? With all of the media buzz, pride and humiliation ARE at stake. By the way, according to Jordan, Allen, Garnett, and Pierce are all losers. They couldn't win the big one by themselves until they all formed a Big 3. But does that apply to the Celtics as well or just the Heat?
 
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saying that you would rather have Paul Pierce right now than LeBron James is pretty much as big of a bold faced lie as it gets. Not to mention completely ridiculous. Sorry, I just don't believe you.
sorry i never said that. look it up. its simple . i cant stand lebron james period. hes a overrated over hyped self involved punk. he thinks hes really a king. enjoy watching him choke like he did this year. believe what you want i could careless. it would make me puke seeing him in a green uniform. i have more respect for kobie bryant and i cant stand him either.
 
sorry i never said that. look it up. its simple . i cant stand lebron james period. hes a overrated over hyped self involved punk. he thinks hes really a king. enjoy watching him choke like he did this year. believe what you want i could careless. it would make me puke seeing him in a green uniform. i have more respect for kobie bryant and i cant stand him either.


Being happy Lebron is on your team is selling your basketball soul to the devil himself.:p

As for the Kobe comment ... I agree ... I can't stand him but I sure do respect his game.
 
How is it different? With all of the media buzz, pride and humiliation ARE at stake. By the way, according to Jordan, Allen, Garnett, and Pierce are all losers. They couldn't win the big one by themselves until they all formed a Big 3. But does that apply to the Celtics as well or just the Heat?

They weren't playing for Team USA for money that is the difference- that was a pride, patriotism, proving to the world that they were the best group.
 
Have they started a pool yet ... odds on the 1st heat player that will bang Lebron's mom?

Maybe she was the one who helped them sign 'Z'.
 
They weren't playing for Team USA for money that is the difference- that was a pride, patriotism, proving to the world that they were the best group.

And how does money change the fact that they're once again going to be doing that in the NBA?
 
Over the past few years, LeBron has sunk more game winning three point shots than Kobe Bryant has. Take that how you want it. But I would much rather have him that a guy who is a good ball handler but can't hit a free throw or a wide open shot to save his life. In Game 7, Rondo was almost a liability for the Celtics because the Lakers were leaving him WIDE open on the floor and dared him to beat them by sinking a shot. Aside from what was a miracle three by the time the game was already over, he couldn't do it. Do I even have to bring up his free throw shooting?

To bring up fundamental flaws in LeBron's game while ignoring the GAPING holes in Rondo's does not make sense to me. By the way, Dwyane Wade is a much better three point shooter than he was a few years back.

Don't get me wrong, by no means am I suggesting Rondo is a better player than Lebron. Lebron is a top 10 player in this league, probably top 5. But there's a reason why his teams haven't done jack, save for going to the Finals when there was no competition in the East. And it's b/c he lacks what the great players lack. I see no signs of him ever having it.

However, Rondo was not a liability in Game 7 - I don't know what game you were watching. He was a liability at times during the series, but game 7 was a well-rounded game from him, and had they won, he may have been the defacto choice for team MVP for the series. Not that that says much, since none of the star players had a good series. But Rondo was the 2nd best player on the floor that night for the C's, sadly, behind Rasheed Wallace.

That's besides the point. My Rondo-Lebron point is this. Lebron may rack up assists totals due to the double teams he creates, but he doesn't make his teammates better. As I showed earlier, going to Cleveland was a hindrance to player's performances, Mo Williams, Anthony Parker, Shaq, Jamario Moon, etc., etc.

With Rondo, he will make every player on his team much better. People don't want to accept it, but he basically dragged a lifeless, beaten-down big 3 through the NBA playoffs. Allen is inconsistent, KG is a shell of his former self, and Pierce destroys the offense in the 4th quarter when he tries to take over and go iso. But add Rondo into that mix, and he accentuates the strengths of these flawed, worn-down players. KG, Allen and Rondo are a perfect match for each other. Honestly, I think Pierce and Rondo aren't a great fit. I think Pierce's need for the ball in his hands takes Rondo's strength (creation) and turns it into a huge weakness (liability to the offense without the ball and when not allowed to create).

That said, Rondo has to improve his free throw shooting and jump-shooting. But when Rondo is on, and we saw him at his A game at times during the regular season and in the playoffs, the team is flat-out unbeatable. He will get an easy open shot for any teammate on the floor. And when you have a guy like that, you basically have 5 guys playing at their best, 5 guys who can get open at anytime b/c of a creator like Rondo.

To some extent, Rondo is old school in that way. Stern's NBA is about one player dominating on his own.

The other thing with Lebron is, if Stern wanted to, he could completely destroy Lebron's production by having the officials call the game it was meant to be called. By the way the rules are written, I'd say Lebron gets away with a violation on between 30-50% of his drives. For one, he never learned how NOT to travel. But that's OK, the NBA is more than willing to let that one slide. But beyond that, he's always digging his shoulder, pushing off with his elbow, or just plain barreling over people.

If Lebron James were slightly smaller, even let's say Kobe Bryant's size, I have no doubt that this guy would not only not be in the NBA, but never made it out of high school basketball. That's why I can't stand this guy's game. Its predicated completely on his size. Its boring.
 
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Don't get me wrong, by no means am I suggesting Rondo is a better player than Lebron. Lebron is a top 10 player in this league, probably top 5. But there's a reason why his teams haven't done jack, save for going to the Finals when there was no competition in the East. And it's b/c he lacks what the great players lack. I see no signs of him ever having it.

And what is that?

However, Rondo was not a liability in Game 7 - I don't know what game you were watching. He was a liability at times during the series, but game 7 was a well-rounded game from him, and had they won, he may have been the defacto choice for team MVP for the series. Not that that says much, since none of the star players had a good series. But Rondo was the 2nd best player on the floor that night for the C's, sadly, behind Rasheed Wallace.

Rondo looked like he had a good game because the Lakers were letting him do whatever he wanted on the floor. They were rolling their defense to contain Pierce, Garnett, and Allen. They have Rondo every wide open shot he wanted and he kept on missing. His shooting is just better than awful right now and his free throw shooting is also pretty sub-par. Like I said before, he's a great ball handler and one of the best distributors in the NBA and is also a pretty tenacious rebounder, but he is by no means a complete player. LeBron has shown that he can distribute, get rebounds, be an intimidating defensive presence, and sink baskets from anywhere on the court (including the foul line). Don't get me wrong, Rondo is a great player to build a team around but to compare the two there doesn't make sense to me. The Heat aren't building the team around LeBron, they have built it around Wade. So what you SHOULD be trying to sell me on is why Rondo is a better player to build a team around than DWade.

That's besides the point. My Rondo-Lebron point is this. Lebron may rack up assists totals due to the double teams he creates, but he doesn't make his teammates better. As I showed earlier, going to Cleveland was a hindrance to player's performances, Mo Williams, Anthony Parker, Shaq, Jamario Moon, etc., etc.

What more do you want him to do to make his teammates better? You just said yourself that LeBron racks up assists when facing double teams. Should he shoot the ball for them too? This statement, believe it or not, is more of an indictment on his surrounding cast in Cleveland than it is an indictment of LeBron.

With Rondo, he will make every player on his team much better. People don't want to accept it, but he basically dragged a lifeless, beaten-down big 3 through the NBA playoffs. Allen is inconsistent, KG is a shell of his former self, and Pierce destroys the offense in the 4th quarter when he tries to take over and go iso. But add Rondo into that mix, and he accentuates the strengths of these flawed, worn-down players. KG, Allen and Rondo are a perfect match for each other. Honestly, I think Pierce and Rondo aren't a great fit. I think Pierce's need for the ball in his hands takes Rondo's strength (creation) and turns it into a huge weakness (liability to the offense without the ball and when not allowed to create).

All you need to do in order to see that I agree wholeheartedly with this is to just check PessimisticPete's thread about how Nate Robinson was better than Rondo. Rondo is THE REASON why the Celtics were in the NBA Finals.
The other thing with Lebron is, if Stern wanted to, he could completely destroy Lebron's production by having the officials call the game it was meant to be called. By the way the rules are written, I'd say Lebron gets away with a violation on between 30-50% of his drives. For one, he never learned how NOT to travel. But that's OK, the NBA is more than willing to let that one slide. But beyond that, he's always digging his shoulder, pushing off with his elbow, or just plain barreling over people.

Jordan got away with that too. As did Shaq, Bird, Magic, and all the greats. This is a standard thing in the NBA.

If Lebron James were slightly smaller, even let's say Kobe Bryant's size, I have no doubt that this guy would not only not be in the NBA, but never made it out of high school basketball. That's why I can't stand this guy's game. Its predicated completely on his size. Its boring.

I don't know about that. People forget how small he was (compared to how he is today) when he first came into the league out of high school. He was skinny and was still a pretty good basketball player at the pro level. His size does, indeed, help though. No doubt about it.
 
LeBron's biggest problem was not going through college (even for one season) and working on deficiencies in his game. The lure of the big time and the cash that accompanies it often to the detriment of the little things in a game.

As for the Big Three.. well the talk of Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony wanting trades to the Knicks to join Amare Stoudemire would certainly make this plot line an interesting development if it were ever to happen.

Stoudemire/Paul/Anthony vs Wade/Bosh/James.
 
LeBron's biggest problem was not going through college (even for one season) and working on deficiencies in his game. The lure of the big time and the cash that accompanies it often to the detriment of the little things in a game.

As for the Big Three.. well the talk of Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony wanting trades to the Knicks to join Amare Stoudemire would certainly make this plot line an interesting development if it were ever to happen.

Stoudemire/Paul/Anthony vs Wade/Bosh/James.

I honestly hope it happens. That was one of the most bitter rivalries in all of sports during the 1990's. It hasn't been a true rivalry in quite some time (due to the Knicks sucking hind tit).
 
I honestly hope it happens. That was one of the most bitter rivalries in all of sports during the 1990's. It hasn't been a true rivalry in quite some time (due to the Knicks sucking hind tit).


The Knicks and the Cavaliers .... :bricks:
 


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