Breer on Brady/Manning and rookie QB contracts

[Deus Irae]

That is one thing that cracks me up about the media, agent and owners they all use what ever numbers they want to make there point. anti pats bias "brady is only making 3 million". Want to seem big tell everyone you got you client 41 million guarenteed but it's really closer to 30. need to make a big score for a client then you show off the real numbers the ones you ignored in the first place.

I know most deserve the money they make but am I the only one that wish all that crap didn't matter and they just played the games

Reporters all around the country use the yearly payout in some stories, because it's readily available and doesn't involve having to use math. Players often do the same thing when they pull out the "I'm only making $x this season" card. There's nothing inherently "anti-Patriots bias" about it.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

AdamJT13: Matthew Stafford's contract

should be mandatory reading for anyone who thinks that Brady and Manning will be comparing their next contracts to Bradford's.

We now have guaranteed, implicitly guaranteed and incrementally kinda sorta might be guaranteed money in these deals...LOL

The term guaranteed in context of an NFL contract is beginning to be tossed around as cavalierly as the old phony backloaded total deal values were.

 

[jmt57]

Reporters all around the country use the yearly payout in some stories, because it's readily available and doesn't involve having to use math. Players often do the same thing when they pull out the "I'm only making $x this season" card. There's nothing inherently "anti-Patriots bias" about it.

Agreed.

It's not about a bias against the Patriots. Other than the laziness aspect, if there is an agenda it is to simply create some controversy. The more readers, viewers, and listeners, the better from a business perspective - regardless of the quality of the product being produced for our consumption.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

We now have guaranteed, implicitly guaranteed and incrementally kinda sorta might be guaranteed money in these deals...LOL

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This may come off as naive or ill-informed but if the issue is the future money that Brady is putting at risk by playing out the last year of his contract without a new deal due to the uncertainty over the new CBA, isn't there a middle ground?
Is it possible for the Pats to purchase an insurance policy that would pay Brady $30 million in the event of a career-ending injury? Without a cap, it doesn't impact overall spending, other than the cost of the policy but it protects Brady and the Patriots at the same time. It keeps your QB happy knowing that he's protected long term and while the premium could be exorbitant, it buys the team time to comes to terms long term once they know the framework of a new CBA.
Just my $0.02,

 

[Rob0729]

I was thinking about this and I am wondering if Brady is going to lose anything even if he has a career ending injury. You gotta think that Brady has or will have an insurance contract with Llyod's of London to protect him against this. It isn't uncommon for a player in the last year of his contract to get insurance like this when they know they are putting their future earnings on the line so close to free agency and they know around how much the ballpark of their new deal will be.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

This may come off as naive or ill-informed but if the issue is the future money that Brady is putting at risk by playing out the last year of his contract without a new deal due to the uncertainty over the new CBA, isn't there a middle ground?
Is it possible for the Pats to purchase an insurance policy that would pay Brady $30 million in the event of a career-ending injury? Without a cap, it doesn't impact overall spending, other than the cost of the policy but it protects Brady and the Patriots at the same time. It keeps your QB happy knowing that he's protected long term and while the premium could be exorbitant, it buys the team time to comes to terms long term once they know the framework of a new CBA.
Just my $0.02,

Cap or not there are rules in the CBA that preclude teams offering players anything of value beyond their scheduled compensation to secure their services. You can't even promise them future considerations (like a stake in the team or a job after retirement) or the league would place a value on it and calculate it against the cap. And while there may not be a cap this season, the accounting methods remain in effect as if there was - so that one can be reinstated in the next CBA... I also can't imagine any team would want to be placed in the position of setting a potentially costly future precedent. Not to mention in doing so you would be revisiting the contract which would then preclude you from getting a long term deal done at any point this season because of the 12 month rule. Unless of course you did it on the QT in which case Goodell would likely find out at some point and suspend BB for eternity and dock Kraft his next 2 first rounders...D

Players have always been able to secure their own insurance provided they pay for it. Hadn't given it much thought but as Rob pointed out if Brady has he likely has already taken care of that.

 

[Sciz]

Somewhat related, Breer talks about how you can't have guaranteed money past 2010. That's kinda a problem, I'm guessing:
Another rule could hinder QB deals - Extra Points - Boston.com

 

[Miguel]

Somewhat related, Breer talks about how you can't have guaranteed money past 2010. That's kinda a problem, I'm guessing:
Another rule could hinder QB deals - Extra Points - Boston.com

Breer gets this wrong. You can have guaranteed money past 2010 as long as you have enough 2009 cap space. Breer has to yet explain why an 2011 option bonus would NOT be approved.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Breer gets this wrong. You can have guaranteed money past 2010 as long as you have enough 2009 cap space. Breer has to yet explain why an 2011 option bonus would NOT be approved.

That's probably because it wasn't covered in that article you linked to that he obviously read before he wrote his Sunday piece...

He didn't even rework the explanation very well. Or he has comprehension issues...
Never mentioned the fact that if a players 2009 salary had been fully guaranteed it wouldn't matter. Then acted like taking out your own injury insurance was pretty routine and was no big deal. Also attributed the unwillingness of teams to hand out $40M-50M signing bonuses to the labor unrest while failing to note as the article's author had that all teams work within a budget and most of them don't have $40M+ in operating income laying around at any time to be spent on just one players signing bonus...

 

[Miguel]

That's probably because it wasn't covered in that article you linked to that he obviously read before he wrote his Sunday piece...

He didn't even rework the explanation very well. Or he has comprehension issues...
Never mentioned the fact that if a players 2009 salary had been fully guaranteed it wouldn't matter. Then acted like taking out your own injury insurance was pretty routine and was no big deal. Also attributed the unwillingness of teams to hand out $40M-50M signing bonuses to the labor unrest while failing to note as the article's author had that all teams work within a budget and most of them don't have $40M+ in operating income laying around at any time to be spent on just one players signing bonus...

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[fair catch fryar]

Why shouldn't he, too, be paid what he is worth? Is the logic that because one person in a couple earns what the market says they deserve that the other shouldn't? I just don't understand that.

They are both entertainers in businesses where their values depreciate significantly with every passing year. Individually, they have extraordinary talents that, together, give them a chance to build generational wealth, creating legacies that will last for decades and enable them to dedicate significant resources to issues and causes that are meaningful to them. Why shouldn't they both get every Dollar or Real that they are worth?

I just don't buy the sentimentality that says that Tom Brady should "take one for the team," beyond a modest (say, five percent) reduction to save cap room, for whatever reason, let alone that his spouse makes a boatload of money.

I think he's being sarcastic. I'm sure Gisele thinks Tom should get paid fairly too.