Lewis, G. Warren and Pryor

[Ring 6]

The board of 16 decided that we will have 8 defensive linemen on the starting 53. I believe that Pryor is more of likely of being cut than the team keeping EIGHT defensive linemen.

The GROUP OF SIXTEEN decided that Deaderick will be on the 53 man roster instead of the Practice Squad, even before anyone is injured. Last year PRYOR step up in Training Camp and was able to secure a roster spot and play 27% of the reps.

A REALITY CHECK
Please list the rookies 6th or 7th round draft choice who was waived in the past 5 years and were picked up by another team, preventing a team from puttin him on the Practice Squad. Deaderick will make the Practice Squad. If someone is injured and he has a great Training Camp and perseason, he could make the team. But now is not the time to predict injuries.

Actually, final cuts were not yet made. Both Deadrick and Pryor were on the bubble, and we still needed to address special teams only players.
Keeping 8 DL was not the consensus. Having a final debate over which DL to keep compared with the other competitors for the final spots was the consensus.

 

[mgteich]

Seymour had exactly zero reps last year.

I have no problem with at all with Lewis, Warren, Warren and Wright all being part of a rotation DE and DT, with Wilfork playing his normal 55-60% of the defensive reps. I have Brace as a perrenial inactive backup NT and our #6 DL. I do have hope that he will step up his game and become more valuable in the short yardage defense.

You ask who else besides Pryor adds anything. I agree. If we decide that we need a 7th DL, Pryor is the man. Pryor also might beat out Lewis or G. Warren. I would again not that only 5 defensive linemen played in more than 6% of the defensive reps in 2009.

So my BOTTOM LINE, I understand that Pryor might beat out Lewis or G. Warren, but I don't see the need for a 7th defensive linemen.

I don't believe we will have one replacement for Seymour, I think Lewis and Warren will rotate depending on situation and also so they can go all out and stay fresh.

There is no replacement for Seymour and nothing close unless they hit the lottery with Oakland's pick, though i don't know if there's such a beast available.

Suh would have been interesting, I'd guess.

I don't think you hold roster spots for 7th round picks, so who else besides Pryor adds anything?

If Deadrick is a phenom, that might knock off one of the vets, but extraordinary D-linemen aren't usually that overlooked, are they?

 

[Ring 6]

This is amazing. MGteich says that he thinks Pryor will get cut, and the board thread goes 16 posts to zero against him. 16 - 0 ! Amazing. I didn't think we could all agree 16 - 0 whether it was raining or not.

It wasnt 16-0. In fact we were closer to cutting than keeping him in the DL thread and agreed to put him on the bubble.
The 'final' roster wasn't final yet. We cheated by putting OBerger on pup when he prob wont be eligible and left only 8 OL, then still had a cut to make and never addressed s/ters. Pryor was on the bubble, not 16-0 in.

 

[Ring 6]

There is zero chance that Pryor gets cut. Give me one example in BB history, where a rookie comes in and plays that many snaps in his first year, then gets cut his second year?

How many snaps do you think he played?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

A REALITY CHECK
Please list the rookies 6th or 7th round draft choice who was waived in the past 5 years and were picked up by another team, preventing a team from puttin him on the Practice Squad. Deaderick will make the Practice Squad. If someone is injured and he has a great Training Camp and perseason, he could make the team. But now is not the time to predict injuries.

2007, Justin Rogers.

 

[patriotscpfc]

How many snaps do you think he played?

264 + 20 in the Ravens game = 284. 163 of which were pass rush plays.

Pryor isn't going anywhere.

 

[crowell33]

How many snaps do you think he played?

As rookie in 2009, Myron Prior played in 27 percent of all defensive snaps, and was credit with 23 tackles, 2 QB hits and one forced fumble.

BB has often said the biggest jump in player development is before the second year. Posters predicting Prior making the second year jump from 27 percent of all snaps to Wal Mart, are betting strongly against NE Patriots historical norms.

 

[Ring 6]

As rookie in 2009, Myron Prior played in 27 percent of all defensive snaps, and was credit with 23 tackles, 2 QB hits and one forced fumble.

BB has often said the biggest jump in player development is before the second year. Posters predicting Prior making the second year jump from 27 percent of all snaps to Wal Mart, are betting strongly against NE Patriots historical norms.

History doesnt make decisions.
Ok, so he played 264 reg season snaps. Thats about 17 a game.
But the majority of those came while other players were injured and there weren't many options.
199 of those snaps came from week 3 to week 10.
After that he had only snaps in the last 6 games.
I dont think a guy making the team and playing 264 snaps is any guarantee of his future. I do think that not playing much at all as the season wore on is not a good sign.
In the 2 games he played the most snaps (which was over 30% of his season) we only had 4 active DL.
The year before when we had all the same guys PLUS Richard Seymour, LeKevin Smith played 174 snaps, and that didn't turn out to be a great endorsement.

I understand he was good enough to make the team.
But the playing time he received is hardly a rousing success story.

Id love to see him stick around but we lost 1 veteran and brought in 2. I don't see which of the other 4 returning DL would get cut instead of him.

 

[Ring 6]

264 + 20 in the Ravens game = 284. 163 of which were pass rush plays.

Pryor isn't going anywhere.

If his primary role was rushing the passer (when other players were out) and he managed 0 sacks and only 5 QB hits and 4 pressures, how is that a positive?
Getting playing time can happen for many reasons. Getting playing time is not always a positive. But if you don't do anything with that playing time then its a negative.

 

[crowell33]

History doesnt make decisions.
Ok, so he played 264 reg season snaps. Thats about 17 a game.
But the majority of those came while other players were injured and there weren't many options.
199 of those snaps came from week 3 to week 10.
After that he had only snaps in the last 6 games.
I dont think a guy making the team and playing 264 snaps is any guarantee of his future. I do think that not playing much at all as the season wore on is not a good sign.
In the 2 games he played the most snaps (which was over 30% of his season) we only had 4 active DL.
The year before when we had all the same guys PLUS Richard Seymour, LeKevin Smith played 174 snaps, and that didn't turn out to be a great endorsement.

I understand he was good enough to make the team.
But the playing time he received is hardly a rousing success story.

Id love to see him stick around but we lost 1 veteran and brought in 2. I don't see which of the other 4 returning DL would get cut instead of him.

Myron Prior is on the 2010 NE Patriots roster. That is the most likely scenario.
Can you name even one defensive rookie, just one, ever, who had 264 snaps and was cut the next season? No you can't, because it has never happened, ever.

Now I believe you said "History doesn't make decisions". ( Thats priceless by the way ). So your logic is that, "forget that there is no precedent for this, forget that this has never, ever, happened before, this time is different. "
Well OK. That would never hold up in court, but OK everyone on this board is certainly welcome to share their opinions. I believe you have shared 6,053 of them. I just happen to believe that the most likely scenario is that this is not the first time ever, and that Prior makes the squad.

 

[BPF]

There is zero chance that Pryor gets cut. Give me one example in BB history, where a rookie comes in and plays that many snaps in his first year, then gets cut his second year?

He has another 3 yrs remaining on a cheap four-year, $1.829 million contract; he's solid vs run and as someone else said he also bring explosion to the table so he can rush on passing downs. No chance, I actually believe now that he grasps the new scheme he will actually become a solid contributing playmaker on this Dline.

Oh and some lucky NFL team would scoop him right up:
Myron Pryor : USATODAY.com - Myron Pryor Biography from USATODAY.com

Sep. 7, 2009 - 3:31 p.m. ET

At least one NFL team reportedly inquired about the availability of Patriots sixth-round pick Myron Pryor before Sunday's Richard Seymour trade.

 

[PatsCanDoIt]

Some question the likelihood of keeping 7 DL. 1) Last season 7 made the initial 53 that incuded Seymour. 2) After trading Seymour two were added. 3) Pryor is less redundant than Brace and everyone has Brace staying. 4) Deaderick has 34 games of two-gap experience. More than half the DL on the team right now. If cut I think Manghini would take him before he got on the practice squad.

 

[Ring 6]

Myron Prior is on the 2010 NE Patriots roster. That is the most likely scenario.
Can you name even one defensive rookie, just one, ever, who had 264 snaps and was cut the next season? No you can't, because it has never happened, ever.

Now I believe you said "History doesn't make decisions". ( Thats priceless by the way ). So your logic is that, "forget that there is no precedent for this, forget that this has never, ever, happened before, this time is different. "
Well OK. That would never hold up in court, but OK everyone on this board is certainly welcome to share their opinions. I believe you have shared 6,053 of them. I just happen to believe that the most likely scenario is that this is not the first time ever, and that Prior makes the squad.

Your argument is silly. How many rookies played 264 snaps and made the team the next year? Its not relevant by itself.
Who were the other players competing for playing time? Did he play well?
You want to reduce the argument to how many snaps he played, but the fact is both our run D and pass rush were the worst they have been in years. So how well did he play?
There is no precedent, my 'logic' isnt based on that, unless you are saying BB counts snaps and when you hit a magical number you reserve your guaranteed spot next year.
We consistently cut reserve players who get playing time at weak areas because they are weak.

How about instead of arguing that we have never cut a left handed player with the middle name of Earnest, you explain how much value is in playing time that decreased to almost nothing as the season wore on?
Or address that 30% of his playing time can in 2 games when there was no one else to play.
His playing time is the same statement as he made the team, because aside from Brace, who played a very different role, every DL on the team played ahead of him, and the DL was weak.

Here is a precedent. How many DL that played 264 snaps but never sacked the QB and apparently due to being ineffective barely saw the field at the end of the season made the team in year 2. Apparently your logic is Pryor will be the first. See, stupid argument.

 

[BlueThunder]

Just a hunch, like someone else pointed out......the newly signed vets Lewis and Warren are competing for one spot...Pryor sticks.

 

[Ring 6]

He has another 3 yrs remaining on a cheap four-year, $1.829 million contract; he's solid vs run and as someone else said he also bring explosion to the table so he can rush on passing downs. No chance, I actually believe now that he grasps the new scheme he will actually become a solid contributing playmaker on this Dline.

Oh and some lucky NFL team would scoop him right up:
Myron Pryor : USATODAY.com - Myron Pryor Biography from USATODAY.com

I'm curious. What do you base 'solid vs the run' on? And where was this 'explosion' in actually getting to a QB?
Pryor was a nice story making the team. He played because we had no one else and played just as you would expect a rookie 6th round pick to play; not that well.

Look, I'm not saying he can't progress and make the team. I'm not saying he can't sneak on again like he did last year when Seymour was traded.
But if the 2 former 1st round picks that we brought in to play in his spot have anything left, he is 7th at best among the DL, and we are most likely to keep 6.
I'm sorry if that hurts peoples feelings but 27 players are going to cut.

 

[RayClay]

Seymour had exactly zero reps last year.

I consider it replacing Seymour. If you want to call it replacing inadequate, anonymous or player to be named later, that's fine too.

We made a trade leaving a hole. We need to temporarily fill the hole and one day permanently.

I assume we need 3 fairly top notch linemen to play this defense, or the best substitute.

 

[mgteich]

Fair enough.

We have Wilfork and Warren and a couple of free agent ex-firsts available, plus Wright who filled in pretty well last year.

I agree that we should be looking for a top quality defensive linemen. Are you saying that either Pryor or Deaderick is that player?

It seems that we have a reasonable six for this year. Perhaps Lewis or G. Warren will be solid for 2-4 years. If not, or even if yes, we are likely looking for DL early in next year's draft.

I consider it replacing Seymour. If you want to call it replacing inadequate, anonymous or player to be named later, that's fine too.

We made a trade leaving a hole. We need to temporarily fill the hole and one day permanently.

I assume we need 3 fairly top notch linemen to play this defense, or the best substitute.

 

[RayClay]

Fair enough.

We have Wilfork and Warren and a couple of free agent ex-firsts available, plus Wright who filled in pretty well last year.

I agree that we should be looking for a top quality defensive linemen. Are you saying that either Pryor or Deaderick is that player?

It seems that we have a reasonable six for this year. Perhaps Lewis or G. Warren will be solid for 2-4 years. If not, or even if yes, we are likely looking for DL early in next year's draft.

If Warren Lewis prove a good tandem and brace doesn't crap out, that leaves Pryor or Deaderick as the 7th. Pryor is a nice change of pace with great quickness from the interior and seems like he can do a bit at nose. He doesn't fit our base defense.

Deaderick is a 7th. We might like to project him as a Seymour replacement from experience, but he's not 7th overall, he's our second 7th round pick. we can put him on the practice squad if we like him for the future.

I do like Pryor, but he's a luxury. I'd snap him up if i played a 4-3...

 

[jah]

If Warren Lewis prove a good tandem and brace doesn't crap out, that leaves Pryor or Deaderick as the 7th. Pryor is a nice change of pace with great quickness from the interior and seems like he can do a bit at nose. He doesn't fit our base defense.

Deaderick is a 7th. We might like to project him as a Seymour replacement from experience, but he's not 7th overall, he's our second 7th round pick. we can put him on the practice squad if we like him for the future.

I do like Pryor, but he's a luxury. I'd snap him up if i played a 4-3...

I don't know much about this stuff, but I've read many posts here that say that for Deaderick, the practice squad isn't really a possibility. Something about him being picked up off waivers before it could happen.

 

[RayClay]

I don't know much about this stuff, but I've read many posts here that say that for Deaderick, the practice squad isn't really a possibility. Something about him being picked up off waivers before it could happen.

Why would a team take him on waivers when they had ample opportunity to take him in the draft? They'd have to give up a roster spot and drop a player.

I believe they have to pay him and keep him on the regular roster for three weeks.

7th round picks aren't hard to come by, they are often duplicates due to compensation. We had 4. Deaderick wasn't even our first 7th.

What logical reason would make him so valuable now when he was almost a FA a couple months ago?