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Twenty four NFL teams were on hand in Provo, Utah Thursday to watch supplemental draft RB/FB prospect Harvey Unga's workout at BYU.
Unga measured in at 6'1/244 while posting a 35-inch vertical jump and completing 19 reps on the bench press. His forty time was faster than expected, ranging between 4.58 and 4.63 seconds. He reportedly looked "fantastic" in pass-catching drills as well. Although teams are looking at Unga as a ball carrier, there's still a good chance he ends up as a fullback in the NFL. Jul. 8 - 3:17 pm et
 
His value is what ... as a FB? He ran a 4.63 .... Brady runs faster than that. He's worth a 6th or 7th and someone will bid higher just to get some media attention.
 
His value is what ... as a FB? He ran a 4.63 .... Brady runs faster than that. He's worth a 6th or 7th and someone will bid higher just to get some media attention.

No he doesn't. He was clocked at 5.23s in the 40 yard dash. :D

It seems like Unga is a bit of a tweener. He lacks the speed you want a running back to have in the NFL, but he is big enough to play some fullback. I'm not sure he would bring more to the table than Sammy Morris or BJGE already do.
 
No he doesn't. He was clocked at 5.23s in the 40 yard dash. :D

It seems like Unga is a bit of a tweener. He lacks the speed you want a running back to have in the NFL, but he is big enough to play some fullback. I'm not sure he would bring more to the table than Sammy Morris or BJGE already do.

John Riggins ran a 4.7, what's the point? Alstott, a similar ran a 4.66. Terell Davis also ran a 4.6 -- who cares. 4.58 to 4.63 at Unga's size is competitive.

Fyi, Brady ran a 5.23 40 time.
 
Patriots Supplemental Draft: RB Harvey Unga - Pats Pulpit

interesting story on the Pats interest in Unga. This kid seems like a player, I would rather have him the BJGE and Sammy Morris, esp since Morris can't make it through a season healthy, the only Pats RB who can seems to be faulk, and he's getting up there as well.
 
Probable 5th round picks shouldn't get people this excited. Pass.
 
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John Riggins ran a 4.7, what's the point? Alstott, a similar ran a 4.66. Terell Davis also ran a 4.6 -- who cares. 4.58 to 4.63 at Unga's size is competitive.

Fyi, Brady ran a 5.23 40 time.

40 times aren't everything, but they are an important indicator as to how the player compares in a league where speed is extremely important. Sure you can point out slower players who found success, but there's many more that haven't. That's why you don't see 4.6 RBs drafted high these days. Let's look at the last draft. Jon Dwyer ran in that area. He was thought to be as high as a 2nd round pick, but he went in the 6th. Anthony Dixon was another. He could have been a 3rd, but he went in round 6 too. Other 4.6 guys like Joique Bell, LeGarrette Blount and Andre Dixon never got drafted. As for Unga, I don't see him getting drafted, but if he does, I would be surprised if anyone were to give up more than a 6 for him.
 
40 times aren't everything, but they are an important indicator as to how the player compares in a league where speed is extremely important. Sure you can point out slower players who found success, but there's many more that haven't. That's why you don't see 4.6 RBs drafted high these days. Let's look at the last draft. Jon Dwyer ran in that area. He was thought to be as high as a 2nd round pick, but he went in the 6th. Anthony Dixon was another. He could have been a 3rd, but he went in round 6 too. Other 4.6 guys like Joique Bell, LeGarrette Blount and Andre Dixon never got drafted. As for Unga, I don't see him getting drafted, but if he does, I would be surprised if anyone were to give up more than a 6 for him.

For evaluating a player I'd be much more concerned about a player's initial burst, ability to change directions, ability to remain balanced after impact, understand when/where holes open and have the patience to wait for it to happen, durability, football IQ, character, blitz pickup, etc, a lot more than 40 time.

I like Unga and wouldn't mind grabbing him but the question is the price, I certainly wouldn't give up a 3rd but I might be persuaded to give up a 5th or later pick.
 
For evaluating a player I'd be much more concerned about a player's initial burst, ability to change directions, ability to remain balanced after impact, understand when/where holes open and have the patience to wait for it to happen, durability, football IQ, character, blitz pickup, etc, a lot more than 40 time.

I agree with all of that. I think 40 times are also a simple indicator as to some of those other qualities beyond just pure speed. Like for instance, if you're extremely tall, there's a better chance you have a longer wingspan, wider hands, longer legs, etc. Someone who runs a 4.3 will often have a better burst, better agility, better leaping ability, etc than someone who runs a 4.9. You're rarely going to run 40 yards in a straight line in the NFL, but people value those numbers because of everything else they indicate. It gives you a quick snapshot into the athletic ability of the players.
 
Supplemental draft picks are for loser teams such as the Redskins intent on burning picks as soon as possible. The Patriots are just the opposite and carefully (except for Ron "Flounder" Brace) manage their draft picks and do not waste them on supplemental picks
 
The last word on Unga, from NFP's Pompei today:

NFP Sunday Blitz | National Football Post
Scout talk: Harvey Unga

Personnel evaluators I’ve spoken with tell me the Bears got an excellent value by acquiring Harvey Unga with a seventh-round pick in the supplemental draft. Three scouts said they rated Unga as a third-round talent.

The consensus was that if Unga had been in the April draft, he would have been the eighth running back taken. It likely would have gone like this:
1. C.J. Spiller (first round, Bills)
2. Ryan Mathews (first round, Chargers)
3. Jahvid Best (first round, Lions)
4. Dexter McCluster (second round, Chiefs)
5. Toby Gerhart (second round, Vikings)
6. Ben Tate (second round, Texans)
7. Montario Hardesty (second round, Browns)
8. Harvey Unga (third round).

There was no running back taken in the third round in April, so Unga could have filled a void.

He fell to the seventh round in the supplemental draft for a variety of reasons, the most prominent being that supplemental picks usually are devalued because of the timing of the draft.

Unga’s character was not an issue with the teams I spoke with. They pointed out he volunteered to Brigham Young officials that he had broken the school’s honor code. And one pointed out he scored well on the Wonderlic.

Unga had time to visit and take a physical exam for only one team — the Bears, though the Bears shared the medical information with four other teams who were interested.

Unga’s 40-yard dash time of 4.65 undoubtedly hurt him, probably more than it should have. He didn’t have time to properly train and condition for the test, and likely could have shaved off considerable time if he had been with a good speed coach. He did vertical jump 35 inches at 244 pounds, which speaks to his potential explosiveness as a runner.

What makes Unga a good value is his versatility. It might be a long shot that he’ll be a starting tailback, but he stands a good chance of being a contributor because he can catch the ball and pass protect as a third-down back or rotational back. He also has a good body for special teams, and he might even project to fullback in the right system.

His college production might have been inflated because he played in the Mountain West conference. That’s a passing conference, and seven-man fronts are the norm. But Unga still looks good on tape.

The other player chosen in the supplemental draft, defensive tackle Josh Price-Brent, did not represent the same kind of value for the Cowboys, according to scouts I spoke with. Price-Brent carried a free agent/seventh-round grade.
 
Asked to comment on their inability - for a 4th straight year - to address their decrepit RB situation, the FO of the NEP replied:
"zzz..."
 
Asked to comment on their inability - for a 4th straight year - to address their decrepit RB situation, the FO of the NEP replied:
"zzz..."

Well, two seasons ago, virtually the same cast of characters (substituting Lamont Jordan for Fred Taylor) produced the 6th best ground game in the league. That they slid so far last season (12th?) is due to more than simply them being a year older. For one thing, Chris Baker turned in perhaps the worst run-blocking performance of his career (though Watson was way worse). For another, having only two legit receiving targets on the field most of the time made the offense extremely simple to figure out. And Light's/Kaczur's run-blocking effectiveness has seriously deteriorated. If Mankins is indeed gone and those two are together on the left side, there's liable to be a lot of "student body right". OTOH, there's always the possibility that Crumpler and Gronkowski can provide the blocking boost that the run game needs.

That said, holy crap do we ever need some fresher, more durable legs back there!

OTOH, in the last four drafts, with the notable exception of 2008, there haven't been a lot of opportunities to snatch a decent guy.

The 2007 class was awful after Peterson and Lynch except for Bradshaw (picked at #250) and Pierre Thomas (UDFA).

The 2008 class was rife with talent through the first two rounds, but they all went between our #10 (Mayo) and our next pick at #62 (Wheatley). This was also the last draft class that Pioli helped evaluate.

In 2009, there turned out to be only 4 or 5 guys who were decent, but, coming off that 6th in the league performance, the Pats had bigger fish to fry and did pretty okay overall.

In 2010, also a fairly thin RB class, it seemed like the guys we could have used all went significantly higher than projected and just before the Pats picked (It was a conspiracy, I tell ya!). And we seem to have done pretty okay anyway (other than RB).

So, I don't think it's a case of the FO "failing to address" the situation, but more a lack of opportunity plus other pressing needs. Outside of 2008, there's only been 10-12 RBs (out of 60-something drafted) who have (or could) make an impact.
 
Sorry for taking this long to reply, but my computer crashed just as I was finishing this post over the weekend, so here I go again:

Well, two seasons ago, virtually the same cast of characters (substituting Lamont Jordan for Fred Taylor) produced the 6th best ground game in the league. That they slid so far last season (12th?) is due to more than simply them being a year older. For one thing, Chris Baker turned in perhaps the worst run-blocking performance of his career (though Watson was way worse). For another, having only two legit receiving targets on the field most of the time made the offense extremely simple to figure out. And Light's/Kaczur's run-blocking effectiveness has seriously deteriorated. If Mankins is indeed gone and those two are together on the left side, there's liable to be a lot of "student body right". OTOH, there's always the possibility that Crumpler and Gronkowski can provide the blocking boost that the run game needs.
Another reason for the success of '08 - besides Jordan being >> Taylor & Morris - was that the Pats simply had to run more often, during all manner of down/distance situations, in order to keep defenses honest so that Cassel had as much time as poss. whenever he did throw.
But isn't it amazing what a serious committment to running the ball can produce?


That said, holy crap do we ever need some fresher, more durable legs back there!

OTOH, in the last four drafts, with the notable exception of 2008, there haven't been a lot of opportunities to snatch a decent guy.

The 2007 class was awful after Peterson and Lynch except for Bradshaw (picked at #250) and Pierre Thomas (UDFA).
At the time that Bill & Scott made that horrible legacy pick of Injustice Hairston, not only were Bradshaw & Thomas still avail., but so too were RBs with greater past production & poss. future potential like DeShawn Wynn, Darius Walker, Selvin Young, and - the one I wanted - Jason Snelling (from Al Groh's UVA), because of his combination of power running (thunder for LaMa's lightning), lead-blocking, and high character.

The 2008 class was rife with talent through the first two rounds, but they all went between our #10 (Mayo) and our next pick at #62 (Wheatley). This was also the last draft class that Pioli helped evaluate.
Instead of that awful pick of the injury-prone midget at 62, I wanted Bill & Scott to draft either DB Terrell Thomas (a CB with health, size & talent: what a concept), DE/OLB Cliff Avril(from DE-to-OLB factory Perdue), or - my first choice - RB/Returner Jamaal Charles, who is currently tearing it up for KC.

In 2009, there turned out to be only 4 or 5 guys who were decent, but, coming off that 6th in the league performance, the Pats had bigger fish to fry and did pretty okay overall.
Power Back Rashad Jennings would've provided exc. value as early as the end of the 5th round, where instead that pick was wasted on UDFA-talent George Busstey.

In 2010, also a fairly thin RB class, it seemed like the guys we could have used all went significantly higher than projected and just before the Pats picked (It was a conspiracy, I tell ya!). And we seem to have done pretty okay anyway (other than RB).
That shouldn't have stopped Bill from signing either Lonyae Miller (from FOB Pat Hill's Fresno State) or Andre Dixon (from UConn) as UDFAs.

So, I don't think it's a case of the FO "failing to address" the situation, but more a lack of opportunity plus other pressing needs. Outside of 2008, there's only been 10-12 RBs (out of 60-something drafted) who have (or could) make an impact.

Fair points as usual, MM. But I'm not letting Bill off the hook for the state of our RBs; not just yet, anyway.
 
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