OT: Question regarding NESN, CSNNE, and Boston WSBK

[thenepatsrule]

hello all,
i am a comcast customer in the west coast , i will be switching over to dish next month, i had a question regarding the following three channels which are offered by dish
nesn
BOSTON UPN-WSBK
and COMCAST SPORTS NEW ENGLAND
which of the three have the patriots games regularly on them?
i have ordered the red zone hd channel,is it advisable to get the above 3 channels to catch the redsox/celtics/patriots games?
thanks in advance

 

[Ring 6]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

hello all,
i am a comcast customer in the west coast , i will be switching over to dish next month, i had a question regarding the following three channels which are offered by dish
nesn
BOSTON UPN-WSBK
and COMCAST SPORTS NEW ENGLAND
which of the three have the patriots games regularly on them?
i have ordered the red zone hd channel,is it advisable to get the above 3 channels to catch the redsox/celtics/patriots games?
thanks in advance

One thing I can tell you is that if you get NESN but do not get the MLB Extra Innings you will not get the Red Sox games.
I'm talking Directv here.
I had MLB EI last 2 years and watched the Sox on NESN. This year I thought I never watch any non-Sox games and dropped MLB EI. That causes NESN to blackout during Red Sox games.
As far as Pats games, you will get them all with the NFL Sunday Ticket.

 

[efin98]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

One thing I can tell you is that if you get NESN but do not get the MLB Extra Innings you will not get the Red Sox games.
I'm talking Directv here.
I had MLB EI last 2 years and watched the Sox on NESN. This year I thought I never watch any non-Sox games and dropped MLB EI. That causes NESN to blackout during Red Sox games.
As far as Pats games, you will get them all with the NFL Sunday Ticket.

Are you "in market" or out of market?

The restriction I am seeing involves a local blackout that doesn't have anything to do with MLB Extra Innings restrictions but rather non-Sunday night, Sunday afternoon, or Saturday afternoon nationally televised games vs. locally televised games. When they are televised nationally outside those three windows they are blacked out on the national channel and only appear locally. This is how we were able to see Braves and Cubs and White Sox games for years on WGN and TBS.

I am also not seeing it with the NBA or NHL so Celtics games on CSN-NE and Bruins games on NESN may not be blacked out.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

Are you "in market" or out of market?

The restriction I am seeing involves a local blackout that doesn't have anything to do with MLB Extra Innings restrictions but rather non-Sunday night, Sunday afternoon, or Saturday afternoon nationally televised games vs. locally televised games. When they are televised nationally outside those three windows they are blacked out on the national channel and only appear locally. This is how we were able to see Braves and Cubs and White Sox games for years on WGN and TBS.

I am also not seeing it with the NBA or NHL so Celtics games on CSN-NE and Bruins games on NESN may not be blacked out.

I am out of market. I get NESN on the dish, but it blacks out for Red Soz games. It didnt (other than when the game was on ESPN or Fox etc) when I had Extra Innings.

 

[efin98]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

I am out of market. I get NESN on the dish, but it blacks out for Red Soz games. It didnt (other than when the game was on ESPN or Fox etc) when I had Extra Innings.

OK. What is going on found here:

NESN Out Of Market Blackouts - A Response - Sons of Sam Horn

WGN can show their games of the Cubs and White Sox thanks to being a superstation and not a regional sports network like NESN so no Red Sox unfortunately. Same is true for the Bruins and Celtics with their leagues going the same route as MLB with out of market broadcast clampdowns.

 

[Wolfpack]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

hello all,
i am a comcast customer in the west coast , i will be switching over to dish next month, i had a question regarding the following three channels which are offered by dish
nesn
BOSTON UPN-WSBK
and COMCAST SPORTS NEW ENGLAND
which of the three have the patriots games regularly on them?
i have ordered the red zone hd channel,is it advisable to get the above 3 channels to catch the redsox/celtics/patriots games?
thanks in advance

If I understand your question correctly, the answer is "none of the above" have Patriots games on them. If you are out of market, the only way to be guaranteed the Patriots is to get DirecTV and the NFL Sunday Ticket. I recommend you spend the extra $99 for the "Superfan" HD package.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

hello all,
i am a comcast customer in the west coast , i will be switching over to dish next month, i had a question regarding the following three channels which are offered by dish
nesn
BOSTON UPN-WSBK
and COMCAST SPORTS NEW ENGLAND
which of the three have the patriots games regularly on them?
i have ordered the red zone hd channel,is it advisable to get the above 3 channels to catch the redsox/celtics/patriots games?
thanks in advance

No Bruins?? Just kidding. I live in Pa. now. The only good thing about the sports package is that you get the fluff around the games. You don't get the games themselves. They will all be blacked out. The only games you will get are the national games; Pats on ESPN/Sunday Night/your local CBS affiliate. Need NFL Sunday ticket to get the rest. Same with Sox. Need MLB Extra Innings even if you subscribe to sports pack because NESN is blacked out when Sox/Bruins come on. CSNNE will be the same for Celtics. Blacked out during the games. You will need NBA Season Pass.

 

[pats1]

WSBK isn't UPN anymore; UPN does not exist, it merged with WB a few years ago to become the CW, which is WLVI in Boston, the old WB affiliate.

As for which stations play Patriots games, none of them do. NESN is owned by the Red Sox and plays Red Sox and Bruins games. CSN plays Celtics games. WSBK is just an independent station where the most Patriots coverage you'll see is when the 5th Quarter postgame show from WBZ gets moved over to WSBK, since they are sister stations.

But only CBS, FOX, NBC, EPSN, and NFL Network will ever play Patriots games. The local CBS affiliate in Boston is WBZ, and given that the Patriots are an AFC team, that's where you'll see most of the games.

 

[pats1]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

OK. What is going on found here:

NESN Out Of Market Blackouts - A Response - Sons of Sam Horn

WGN can show their games of the Cubs and White Sox thanks to being a superstation and not a regional sports network like NESN so no Red Sox unfortunately. Same is true for the Bruins and Celtics with their leagues going the same route as MLB with out of market broadcast clampdowns.

Right, WGN gets an exception since they're a superstation (just like TBS did when they had Braves games). But even if you get regional sports networks from your providers (DirecTV has most of them; Verizon FiOS has YES and SNY), you will be blacked out from live games unless you subscribe to the appropriate out-of-market package (MLB Extra Innings, NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, ESPN GamePlan, ESPN FullCourt...)

 

[Rob0729]

hello all,
i am a comcast customer in the west coast , i will be switching over to dish next month, i had a question regarding the following three channels which are offered by dish
nesn
BOSTON UPN-WSBK
and COMCAST SPORTS NEW ENGLAND
which of the three have the patriots games regularly on them?
i have ordered the red zone hd channel,is it advisable to get the above 3 channels to catch the redsox/celtics/patriots games?
thanks in advance

If you want the Pats, you gotta get DirecTV and get the Sunday Ticket or you are out of luck. Usually around this time, they start to run deals to get new subscribers which basically gives you the Sunday Ticket and Superfan for free if you take the premium package.

 

[thenepatsrule]

thanks to all who replied , u definitely answered what i wanted to know, i wish i had posted this before signing up for dish, because from the replies i guess the only way to get all patriots matches is thru directtv.
i have had redzone before (not in hd though) . this year i have signed up for redzone hd.

Winning is about heart, not just legs. It's got to be in the right place.
Lance Armstrong

 

[patsfaninpa]

thanks to all who replied , u definitely answered what i wanted to know, i wish i had posted this before signing up for dish, because from the replies i guess the only way to get all patriots matches is thru directtv.
i have had redzone before (not in hd though) . this year i have signed up for redzone hd.

Up until about 2003 you'd have been in luck. I used to have Dish Network. They would let you pick what market you wanted your local channels out of. I picked Boston. Got 1/2 the Sox games on Fox 25. And, Pats on CBS. They quit doing that beginning of 2003. We'll be on national TV half the time. You'll have to find a sports bar the other half. Not all bad.

 

[efin98]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

Right, WGN gets an exception since they're a superstation (just like TBS did when they had Braves games). But even if you get regional sports networks from your providers (DirecTV has most of them; Verizon FiOS has YES and SNY), you will be blacked out from live games unless you subscribe to the appropriate out-of-market package (MLB Extra Innings, NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, ESPN GamePlan, ESPN FullCourt...)

The live games are blacked out, but I have seen claims that the repeats of the games are shown on the feeds. Bruins and Red Sox are shown at midnight and/or the next morning and the Celtics are shown in the morning or early afternoon so if the poster doesn't mind the fact that the games aren't live and the results are out there he should still be able to see the repeats.

 

[jmt57]

Yeah, the idea of signing up with a service provider (such as DirecTV) in order for an out of towner to get his favorite team's games has passed. I don't recall exactly when that happened, but somebody in an earlier comment mentioned 2003; that sounds about right. I remember being able to sign up for one of their sports packages, get NESN, and watch all the Red Sox games - and suddenly the next year those games were blacked out when I tuned to that channel.

What makes it more confusing is that commercial enterprises (i.e., sports bars) appear to have the same set up as home consumers, but they don't; a game on NESN is blacked out for a homeowner, but if he walks next door to a sports bar it is available through DirecTV on their television sets.

If I'm not mistaken if you live in Canada, you can still pick and choose your 'home' channels regardless of where you actually live. In other words if you live in Toronto, rather than getting the local Toronto channels you can instead get all the Boston channels.

What I am curious of is this: what if you live in an RV, and constantly travel, but have a DirecTV hookup? Can you pick and choose your local channels then?

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: OT: question regarding nesn,comcast ne and BOSTON UPN-WSBK

Are you "in market" or out of market?

The restriction I am seeing involves a local blackout that doesn't have anything to do with MLB Extra Innings restrictions but rather non-Sunday night, Sunday afternoon, or Saturday afternoon nationally televised games vs. locally televised games. When they are televised nationally outside those three windows they are blacked out on the national channel and only appear locally. This is how we were able to see Braves and Cubs and White Sox games for years on WGN and TBS.

I am also not seeing it with the NBA or NHL so Celtics games on CSN-NE and Bruins games on NESN may not be blacked out.

I can tell you right now that the Celtics games and Bruins games are blacked out unless you get the NBA League Pass and NHL Center Ice. Same with the Sox games. You will not get them unless you get the MLB Extra Innings unless they are televised on ESPN.

The reason that you were able to see Braves, Cubs and WhiteSox for years is because WGN and TBS are NON-PAY Channels..

 

[DaBruinz]

Yeah, the idea of signing up with a service provider (such as DirecTV) in order for an out of towner to get his favorite team's games has passed. I don't recall exactly when that happened, but somebody in an earlier comment mentioned 2003; that sounds about right. I remember being able to sign up for one of their sports packages, get NESN, and watch all the Red Sox games - and suddenly the next year those games were blacked out when I tuned to that channel.

What makes it more confusing is that commercial enterprises (i.e., sports bars) appear to have the same set up as home consumers, but they don't; a game on NESN is blacked out for a homeowner, but if he walks next door to a sports bar it is available through DirecTV on their television sets.

If I'm not mistaken if you live in Canada, you can still pick and choose your 'home' channels regardless of where you actually live. In other words if you live in Toronto, rather than getting the local Toronto channels you can instead get all the Boston channels.

What I am curious of is this: what if you live in an RV, and constantly travel, but have a DirecTV hookup? Can you pick and choose your local channels then?

That's because those sports bars are paying for NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB Extra Innings, NBA League Pass and NHL Center Ice. They can afford to drop the 1000-1200 buck it costs a year since they can get the people in to watch the games and drink/eat.

 

[DaBruinz]

Up until about 2003 you'd have been in luck. I used to have Dish Network. They would let you pick what market you wanted your local channels out of. I picked Boston. Got 1/2 the Sox games on Fox 25. And, Pats on CBS. They quit doing that beginning of 2003. We'll be on national TV half the time. You'll have to find a sports bar the other half. Not all bad.

You can thank the FCC for that change.

 

[DaBruinz]

BTW, with DirecTV, you get all the games in HD now and its $50 less than it used to be. It was $249 for the Sunday Ticket and an extra $99 for the Superfan. Now, it's just $299 for everything.

Also, if you had previously been paying for your HD service, you can call them, get a hold of a supervisor and demand that they give you the HD service for free without having to sign up for their Auto Bill Pay. Or,you can sign up for their Auto Bill Pay and get it for Free anyways. I just have issues with letting anyone take unnamed amounts of money out of my accounts..

 

[PatriotsDaily.com]

I know the original question in this thread has been answered, but here's my .02 on Dish vs DirecTV.

I just finished up a two-year run with Dish Network and switched to DirecTV.

I can state without hesitation that if you're a sports fan, you need DirecTV over Dish.

Many of the things have been already stated...getting Sunday Ticket, etc.

Here's the biggest thing that annoyed me...I'm IN the Boston market, and NESN and CSNNE were only in HD for the actual games. All other programming was in SD. Occasionally they would forget to "flip the switch" and the games would only be in SD as well. Only Celtics home games were in HD, all road games were in SD.

With DirecTV, it's all HD, all the time. You can also get the NFL network on their lowest priced package - you need a more expensive one with Dish. One drawback with DirecTV is that you need to subscribe to Sunday Ticket to get RedZone.