Scouts Inc: Patriots need Maroney

[lillestroom]

You're a moron.

You think?

I dont like his style because hes not got the sharpest turn of speed.

I dont think he's a RD1 RB in terms of catching skills.

I dont think he picks up blitzes well.

He has an annoying habit of cutting and duking when he should be running hard,straight and direct and vice versa.

He has an annoying habit of fumbling the ball.

I have NEVER seen Maroney win the Pats a game. I've seen many an RB win a game for their respective franchise.

So why am I a Moron ???

 

[Patjew]

So why am I a Moron ???

You've proven it over 89 posts.

 

[Rob0729]

Am I the only one that still likes Maroney?

No. That is why I am going to avoid this thread since it will obviously turn into another Maroney bashing thread.

 

[Patjew]

No. That is why I am going to avoid this thread since it will obviously turn into another Maroney bashing thread.

Good. That makes me feel nominally less insane.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

You think?

I dont like his style because hes not got the sharpest turn of speed.

I dont think he's a RD1 RB in terms of catching skills.

I dont think he picks up blitzes well.

He has an annoying habit of cutting and duking when he should be running hard,straight and direct and vice versa.

He has an annoying habit of fumbling the ball.

I have NEVER seen Maroney win the Pats a game. I've seen many an RB win a game for their respective franchise.

So why am I a Moron ???

I like how you preface your remarks with the phrase "I don't think," because it really sets the tone for the remainder of your post.

Funny how you get a bird's eye view, yet Maroney gets only what he can see out of his visor. Yet he still manages to pick up what's available, most of the time. I mean, let's just ignore the stats about his tendencies to not make negative plays (better than Peterson or MJD in this regard).

Let's also ignore his consistent production in space; he catches the ball well, and usually picks up a first down. He's also pretty good on kickoffs, except for a few baffling reps last year. C'est la vie.

Prior to this year, when his fumbling showed up, he had something like one career fumble over three years. Ever heard of the law of averages? Yeah . . . I didn't think so.

You know, bandwagoners and trolls are easy to spot, because they know nothing of Patriots history. You claim that you have NEVER seen Maroney win a game for the Patriots--must not have watched the end of the 07 season, or his fantastic playoff games. We rode him to successive 120+ yard games against teams fighting for their playoff lives. Maybe he didn't single-handedly "win the game," but he sure as heck made it a lot easier for the other 20+ guys on offense and defense to seal the deal.

One last thought. I particularly enjoy how you capitalize "Moron" as though it's a separate entity or species; I never knew you all were self-aware enough to create a support group.

 

[patsfanboy]

I think Maroney run was greatly influenced by Corey Dilon, which i think it doesn't suit him well.

 

[Wretch]

Am I the only one that still likes Maroney?

No there there are many that agree with you, including me, but no amount of statistical or anecdotal evidence refuting the claims that Maroney sucks are ever given any heed by the I don't care what the stats say I believe what I believe crowd.

 

[Ring 6]

No there there are many that agree with you, including me, but no amount of statistical or anecdotal evidence refuting the claims that Maroney sucks are ever given any heed by the I don't care what the stats say I believe what I believe crowd.

count me in

 

[DaBruinz]

You think? YES>

I dont like his style because hes not got the sharpest turn of speed.

I dont think he's a RD1 RB in terms of catching skills. What catching skills would those be??? The ones that the Pats have rarely used, but when used, have produced great results?

I dont think he picks up blitzes well. Neither did Kevin Faulk during the first few years of his career.

He has an annoying habit of cutting and duking when he should be running hard,straight and direct and vice versa.

He has an annoying habit of fumbling the ball.

He had 4 fumbles last year.. Prior to that, he had ONE.

I have NEVER seen Maroney win the Pats a game. I've seen many an RB win a game for their respective franchise.

The Pats game isn't predicated on the RUN. That's why you'll never see "Maroney win one".

So why am I a Moron ???

I think it's pretty clear why you are.. At least on this subject.

 

[TheComeback]

They just give a rundown on the Pats RB situation but one point caught my attention that I've noticed for awhile:

Since 2007, it's seems as though Maroney has lost some speed, yet he hasn't suffered any leg injuries (knock on wood). Other than the game against Tennessee, he had a hard time getting to the second level. But when he did, he got caught pretty easily.

Has anybody else noticed this?

I think he put on weight to protect himself from injuries, but he's lost some burst because of it.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

I think Maroney can be a good back but it's hard to be consistent when the Pats O-line is soft and doesn't run block well. In addition, I don't like how the Pats coaches lose faith in him after a fumble when he gets blasted right after he gets the football. A great example of this was against Indy on Monday night near the goal line. I'm not sure who blew their assignment, but it was ridiculous seeing him get annihilated near the goal line which pretty much would've iced the game. In fact, all the momentum shifted right back to the Colts.

Guys like Corey Dillon, Sammy Morris and Antowain Smith did well briefly because they couldn't go anywhere else but forward. They were RB's that aren't going to win a track race or juke you out of your shoes. However, Dillon and Morris showed some good wiggle from time to time.

Their game was to run people over and they did that well. But in the end, these types of back wore down considerably.

Take Corey Dillon's monster 2004 season to 2005. The only addition to the offense was Logan Mankins which wasn't the reason why his numbers declined. 2006 was much better but you just knew it was a matter of time before it was time to let him go. The home game against the Jets where Dillon was caught from behind and ended up running out of bounds before the defender was close to him was a perfect example that he didn't have much left in the tank.

Sammy Morris did well in 2007 but got injured. He was doing well in 2008 but got injured. Then he was in and out of the lineup in 2009. Don't understand why people prefer him over Maroney.

As for Antowain Smith? His numbers declined every season. He had a fluke year in 2001 which I gladly appreciate but I wasn't shocked it didn't continue.

I've said this before, but if we ever want to see Maroney succeed, the Pats need a better O-line and/or better commitment to the running game. I'm also not a fan of giving RB's timeouts when they fumble or get stuffed at the line because their O-line clearly can't block consistently.

 

[patsinthesnow]

I think Maroney can be a good back but it's hard to be consistent when the Pats O-line is soft and doesn't run block well. In addition, I don't like how the Pats coaches lose faith in him after a fumble when he gets blasted right after he gets the football. A great example of this was against Indy on Monday night near the goal line. I'm not sure who blew their assignment, but it was ridiculous seeing him get annihilated near the goal line which pretty much would've iced the game. In fact, all the momentum shifted right back to the Colts.

Guys like Corey Dillon, Sammy Morris and Antowain Smith did well briefly because they couldn't go anywhere else but forward. They were RB's that aren't going to win a track race or juke you out of your shoes. However, Dillon and Morris showed some good wiggle from time to time.

Their game was to run people over and they did that well. But in the end, these types of back wore down considerably.

Take Corey Dillon's monster 2004 season to 2005. The only addition to the offense was Logan Mankins which wasn't the reason why his numbers declined. 2006 was much better
but you just knew it was a matter of time before it was time to let him go. The home game against the Jets where Dillon was caught from behind and ended up running out of bounds before the defender was close to him was a perfect example that he didn't have much left in the tank.

Sammy Morris did well in 2007 but got injured. He was doing well in 2008 but got injured. Then he was in and out of the lineup in 2009. Don't understand why people prefer him overMaroney.

As for Antowain Smith? His numbers declined every season. He had a fluke year in 2001 which I gladly appreciate but I wasn't shocked it didn't continue.

I've said this before, but if we ever want to


see Maroney succeed, the Pats need a better O-line and/or better commitment to the running game. I'm also not a fan of giving RB's timeouts when they fumble or get stuffed at the line because their O-line clearly can't block consistently.

Those bruiser backs were acquired with alot of tread already.

That was a good comment on how the backs that have had success here are power backs. (Why I wanted Gerhart so bad).

 

[IcyPatriot]

Scouts Inc: Patriots need Maroney

I am expecting a very 'TIGHT' year from Maroney.

Also ... Maroney stepped up as an offense leader last year ... I expect him to continue that role.

 

[Batman]

I think we do need him pretty badly he has developed a issue with carrying the ball however I am sure BB has had him work on it in the off season. He is a good all round back who doesn't excel at anything that stands out. Now he is hitting the hole harder means he will get yards when there is nothing and can rip off big plays when there is something. I hope he gets better this year.

 

[Ring 6]

It really depends upon expectations.
Maroney has a role on this team. BB has redefined the RB position over the last fews years. He wants a number of veterans so he can interchange them and not be subject to relying on one back for the entire season only to have then injured in December or January.
We have Faulk to play in passing situations and IMO he is the most complete player in the NFL for that role.
BB believes in rotating RBs in and out roughly splitting the carries so that they remain fresh during the game and throughout the season.
If we continue our spread offense shotgun concept then Kevin Faulk will play the most snaps of all the RBs even though he will only carry the ball a handful of times.
Maroney, Taylor and Morris will share the true RBs duties, in that order, with the distribution dependent on injuries.

That will leave Maroney something like 160-200 carries.
Many fans want to criticize Maroney for the number of carries, as if it is a reflection on his ability. It is not, it is a reflection on the strategy BB employs.
What Maroney does with those 160-200 carries (as well as the receptions he gets) is what he should be judged on. It seems however that he is judged on not being a guy who gets 350 carries, even though that has nothing to do with him.
Before the season starts, Maroney is certain to fail in many fans eyes because their expectations are unreasonable.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I have NEVER seen Maroney win the Pats a game. I've seen many an RB win a game for their respective franchise.

Guess you weren't watching down the stretch in '07.

And with that, I'm out. I feel dumber for having posted in this thread, won't do it again.

 

[indcolts18288]

OK guys I have a question about your RB situation and I figured this was as good a place as any to get an answer. Currently I have both Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris on my keeper league that we do all year round. But I have to have my rosters cut by a certain day in July. The thing is I could probably get Maroney real cheap and then I could cut Taylor and Morris. But would that be a good idea? Does it sound like Maroney is gonna be the guy or are the Pats gonna have a 2 or 3 RB rotation. I'm guessing either Taylor or Morris will be cut before the season but I could be wrong. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Kontradiction]

OK guys I have a question about your RB situation and I figured this was as good a place as any to get an answer. Currently I have both Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris on my keeper league that we do all year round. But I have to have my rosters cut by a certain day in July. The thing is I could probably get Maroney real cheap and then I could cut Taylor and Morris. But would that be a good idea? Does it sound like Maroney is gonna be the guy or are the Pats gonna have a 2 or 3 RB rotation. I'm guessing either Taylor or Morris will be cut before the season but I could be wrong. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

We're always going to use a RBBC but Maroney is probably going to be the guy in our line-up that nets you the most yards and TD's. I would go with him.

 

[Synovia]

There was an excellent discussion on Maroney on one of the PatsCast podcasts (the myths one) and the point was made (which I agree with) that the Pats run blocking system just doesn't support a runner with Maroney's style. So many times last year when he got the ball a defender was already in the backfield ans he did well to get 2 or 3 yards

There's not a single runningback in the NFL whose style supports getting hit in the backfield.

Despite that, Maroney loses yardage much less often than the NFL average. He's a good RB.

 

[BaltimorePatsFan]

Blaming the o-line for Maroney's lack of production and injury problems is absurd because he has been fortunate enough to run behind the most dominant guard in the NFL (of course I'm just kidding).