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They just give a rundown on the Pats RB situation but one point caught my attention that I've noticed for awhile:
And it should be noted that his overall explosiveness has waned since he entered the league and his fumbling was a problem down the stretch last season.
Since 2007, it's seems as though Maroney has lost some speed, yet he hasn't suffered any leg injuries (knock on wood). Other than the game against Tennessee, he had a hard time getting to the second level. But when he did, he got caught pretty easily.

Has anybody else noticed this?
 
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He's running harder which caused the fumbling issue.

There's less dancing which means he's less likely to hit the home run.

He has the package, but he just doesn't seem to find a way to put it all together in one (apart from the Titans game).

If he can be given carries from the start of the season, it'll help him and the offense and maybe set up some play action.
 
They just give a rundown on the Pats RB situation but one point caught my attention that I've noticed for awhile:

Since 2007, it's seems as though Maroney has lost some speed, yet he hasn't suffered any leg injuries (knock on wood). Other than the game against Tennessee, he had a hard time getting to the second level. But when he did, he got caught pretty easily.

Has anybody else noticed this?

I do not believe that long runs are as much a function of the runner as of the blocking. E.g. BB has always said the first 10 yards are on the front 7 and everything beyond that is on the secondary.
Outside of a few RBs who excel at the long run and a few who are too slow, and Maroney is neither, the blocking is more critical.
We consistently hear people say that Maroney has an advantage because we are a passing team, but the converse is true here: if the defense is in nickel/dime, playing off because of Moss as a deep threat, won't bring a safety into the box, etc, then they are BETTER equipped to make the play after those initial 10 or so yards. I can recall a ton of times Maroney broke through to that area and had an unblocked DB there.
I don't see any difference in speed, explosiveness or mobility in Maroney now than as a rookie.
 
The thing about Maroney is he's a pretty young guy for how much time he's spent in the NFL already. With how little carries he has in four years he should be entering his prime. I doubt he does anything amazing this year but hopefully he becomes consistently reliable. I'll be happy with that, because that's all we need from the running backs.
 
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The pats need Maroney like I need an annurism...
 
I would like to wager that this thread exceeds 20 pages by next week.
 
He's an enigma or a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.
 
There's actually an excellent breakdown of Maroney's fumbling issues on PatriotsPlanet by a poster named AllWorldTE...

I agree w/some of this. Stephen Neal obviously screwed up the execution on that goal line play in Indy allowing the free hit on Maroney (he should have blocked Wheeler and left Brackett for Taylor). Baker was pretty pitiful vs Jax as well.

Beyond that however, I see some problems in Maroney's ball security here in both the Colt's and Jax clips. Ball security is a function of technique and some of those technique's are universal fundamentals and others come down to coaching preference.

One of Maroney's techniques here which may come down to coaching preference is his carrying the ball in his inside arm on both plays. Most coaches would prefer that their RBs carry the ball in their outside arm on a play like this to prevent inside out hits on the ball like what we saw in Indy.

Some coaches want their guys to always carry the ball in their outside arm and will require that the RB switch hands based on defensive leverage. Some do not allow their backs to ever switch hands and will start with the ball in the outside arm and will keep it there regardless of leverage. Others will mix and match a bit (only allowing switching in the open field w/no immediate defensive pressure for instance). Some will allow a RB to simply carry the ball in the arm they are most comfortable with, such as their dominant arm. Maybe Maroney is a lefty? I don't know why Ivan Fears has him carrying the ball in his inside arm in these clips (maybe he doesn't and Maroney violated his rule) but if Maroney is going to do that he has to be iron clad in his universal fundamentals and he isn't.

Beyond the grip of the ball with the fingers in which there are several different ways, the RB should have some space in his palm area and he must, must, must keep his wrist above his elbow at all time. Maroney is not doing this in either of these clips. He holding the ball down around his mid-section which eliminates several points of contact making it far easier to lose the ball on contact.

The universal points of contact are fingers, forearm, bicep, rib cage, and when in traffic, the breast plate. Holding the wrist above the elbow maintains contact with the first four. Not doing so means that the contact is only maintained with the fingers and forearms. Even a two handed carry there exposes the ball because the mid-section is soft and no real point of contact exists there.

When in heavy traffic and taking contact, the RB needs to shift the ball to the breast plate and bring his off hand over the ball to squeeze it tight to the breast plate, either horizontally or vertically.

Maroney does none of this on these goal line plays. He should add an addition layer of security by rolling his shoulder as he shifts the ball to his breast plate which we don't see here either. I'd also like to see him running lower in these situations for better ball security and more power.

Maroney has been a very good ball security guy over the full length of his career but he showed very poor technique on these plays IMO. Once the hand-off is made, it's the RBs responsibility to hang onto the ball no matter what. The hand-offs were made here so, at least in my philosophy, the fault lies with him.
 
Maroney, though usually ineffective, is not in my top three concerns.
 
There's actually an excellent breakdown of Maroney's fumbling issues on PatriotsPlanet by a poster named AllWorldTE...

AWTE is almost always an excellent read.
 
Maroney offers zilch except a low cost RB for the Pats who knows the system.

When he gets cut (not if) no team will pick him up and he'll be a campbody for Lions, etc.

He only ran well when Dillon ran well.
 
Maroney offers zilch except a low cost RB for the Pats who knows the system.

When he gets cut (not if) no team will pick him up and he'll be a campbody for Lions, etc.

He only ran well when Dillon ran well.

You're a moron.
 
Maroney offers zilch except a low cost RB for the Pats who knows the system.

When he gets cut (not if) no team will pick him up and he'll be a campbody for Lions, etc.

He only ran well when Dillon ran well.

If he gets released, my guess is he'll play well for whatever team picks him up and the same people who called for him to get released here (you) will dissect the front office for actually being "dumb enough" to let him go (ala David Thomas last season). Maroney is a solid running back. But this point has been discussed to death, hasn't it.
 
If he gets released, my guess is he'll play well for whatever team picks him up and the same people who called for him to get released here (you) will dissect the front office for actually being "dumb enough" to let him go (ala David Thomas last season). Maroney is a solid running back. But this point has been discussed to death, hasn't it.

If LoMo was to be cut, he would be picked up in a heartbeat. There are a number of teams who would want him. He may not be an immediate starter with his new team, but the guy has value.

There is no way the Pats cut him. Not w/ 3 other RBs on the wrong side of 30 and 2 of them habitually injured (may not be fair to Taylor but he was last year).
 
Whats being overlooked is the fact that Koolade changed cereals last year when he watches cartoons. He went from Cocoa Puffs to Captain Crunch. Then, the fumbling started to happen.

Hes crazy for Cocoa Puffs again.
 
There was an excellent discussion on Maroney on one of the PatsCast podcasts (the myths one) and the point was made (which I agree with) that the Pats run blocking system just doesn't support a runner with Maroney's style. So many times last year when he got the ball a defender was already in the backfield ans he did well to get 2 or 3 yards

I think we need to decide if we want a donwhill type of runner like Taylor or Morris or a more finesses runner like Maroney - for that reason he'll always do well for us in some games and badly in others

As has been said I think if he went elsewhere you'd see be productive
 
Am I the only one that still likes Maroney?
 
i expected more from him, no doubt; that's the reason why i'm a little bit hesitant to judge him

let's see this season; i really hope he will have a huge good one
 
Maroney's next contract on another team will be a minor one. It will be for a Kevin Faulk role, not a starting runningback.

His next contract won't be here, thank god.
 
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