Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhelds

[mgcolby]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Yea, I used this handheld thing at the Patriots vs. Dolphins game in Miami last year. It's cool.

Multiple channels that gives you a look at just the team/players you want and even one dedicated to just the Cheerleaders

I have an iPhone and the NFL Ticket as well, and the handheld is light years beyond the Direct TV ap that allows you to watch the TV broadcast.

Where did you get it? I was at that game and didn't see anyone with it or any place to pick one up.

Do you have to rent them?

 

[mgcolby]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Actually, it does. Ticket prices at the stadium are already ridiculously high, and we're in a down economy (to put it mildly). Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

Did he not do that when he paid for the stadium without public funding?

Now couldn't that be why the ticket prices are among the highest in the NFL? Not the highest but among the highest. Should the people that attend the games pay a little more to see the game or should all of the taxpayers of the state take on that burden?

 

[ScottieC]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Where did you get it? I was at that game and didn't see anyone with it or any place to pick one up.

Do you have to rent them?

Everyone that has season tickets in the Club Seats or Suites has an option to get one.

Here ya go:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/gamedayvision

 

[mgcolby]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Everyone that has season tickets in the Club Seats or Suites has an option to get one.

Ah I was a season ticket holder for the fins last year, but in the lower end zone. I was down with the peasants.

 

[ScottieC]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Ah I was a season ticket holder for the fins last year, but in the lower end zone. I was down with the peasants.

Yea, and I think they are expanding it to all Season Ticket Holders this year.

EDIT: Nope, just Club and Suite again this year.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Did he not do that when he paid for the stadium without public funding?

It depends on how you look at "paid for the stadium". The state did pony up $70 million for infrastructure, and it did just approve even more money to go towards building a pedestrian bridge. However, there's no question that the vast majority of the funds used to build the stadium were private in nature.

Now couldn't that be why the ticket prices are among the highest in the NFL? Not the highest but among the highest.

The Patriots were the highest priced in the game. In 2009, they fell all the way down to second behind to the Cowboys, who'd just opened Jones' ridiculously overdone stadium.

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Should the people that attend the games pay a little more to see the game or should all of the taxpayers of the state take on that burden?

The people who attend games should pay whatever they are willing to pay (a/k/a market forces), just like with any other product. It's not the fault of the owners that people are willing to drop more than $500 to go to a game. But let's not pretend Kraft is a saint in this, either.

As for what taxpayers should be on the hook for, don't get me started. The citizens of Massachusetts, and the entire country, are already on the hook for all sorts of things they shouldn't be. But that's a topic for the political forums of the world.

 

[Rob0729]

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The cheapest NFL owner is without a doubt Mike Brown.

I second that with Ralph Wilson a close second. But Brown has a sweetheart deal with Cincinnatti that city guarantees him a certain amount of ticket revenue and he still cries poor mouth.

 

[jmt57]

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Curious to know who you all think is the cheapest NFL owner.

For that matter who is the cheapest professional sports franchise owner period?

The Chiefs have ranked 31st and 32nd in payroll the last two years, so they may deserve a nomination. Tampa Bay's spending had dropped dramatically the last few years ever since the Glazers bought Manchester United, they probably deserve consideration too.


For all sports isn't the owner of the Clippers in the NBA notorious for not spending any money?

 

[mgcolby]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

It depends on how you look at "paid for the stadium". The state did pony up $70 million for infrastructure, and it did just approve even more money to go towards building a pedestrian bridge. However, there's no question that the vast majority of the funds used to build the stadium were private in nature.

That is nitpicking a bit, yes they had to expand roads etc... but that is something they would have had to do if a major housing development had gone up in the area.

The Patriots were the highest priced in the game. In 2009, they fell all the way down to second behind to the Cowboys, who'd just opened Jones' ridiculously overdone stadium.

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Went off memory on this one and I thought they were 3rd. :bricks:

The people who attend games should pay whatever they are willing to pay (a/k/a market forces), just like with any other product. It's not the fault of the owners that people are willing to drop more than $500 to go to a game. But let's not pretend Kraft is a saint in this, either.

As for what taxpayers should be on the hook for, don't get me started. The citizens of Massachusetts, and the entire country, are already on the hook for all sorts of things they shouldn't be. But that's a topic for the political forums of the world.

Hear ya there!

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Ticket price data is usually flawed in the fact that they do not factor in PSLs into the cost of the ticket. Both the Jets and Giants have relatively low ticket prices for their market, but PSLs for the lower section of the stadium costs as much as Toyota Camry. I think the Patriots are the only large market team that has a new stadium that is under 15 years old that doesn't have PSLs.

Kraft could have easily charged $1000 PSLs for the nose bleed seats and up to $20k for the 100 section PSLs (well maybe not $20k a decade ago, but $5-10k) like the Jets and Giants did and then knock off $20 average per ticket and they would be considered a middle of the pack team in terms of ticket price. They decided not to bilk the consumer out of paying a huge upfront fee for their tickets, but the trade off is one of the highest ticket prices in the league. At some point, the balance of value will shift to the Krafts. But most season ticket holders wouldn't see a return on a PSL investment in terms of lower ticket costs for decades.

The only advantage of PSLs is that many teams allow you to sell them when you want to give them up which you can't do with the Patriots' season tickets. But if you want to keep your season tickets in your family for generations, what's the difference?

In fact, passing PSLs could cost future generations in inheritance tax since the lower bowl PSLs already have a huge value in a lot of stadiums and will need to be declared. Someone who can afford $20k per seat for a PSL will probably easily hit the barrier of the minimum for inheritance tax to kick in in 2011 and beyond if Congress let's the Bush tax cut expire after this year and do not either extend it or create a new cut.

 

[mgcolby]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Ticket price data is usually flawed in the fact that they do not factor in PSLs into the cost of the ticket. Both the Jets and Giants have relatively low ticket prices for their market, but PSLs for the lower section of the stadium costs as much as Toyota Camry. I think the Patriots are the only large market team that has a new stadium that is under 15 years old that doesn't have PSLs.

Kraft could have easily charged $1000 PSLs for the nose bleed seats and up to $20k for the 100 section PSLs (well maybe not $20k a decade ago, but $5-10k) like the Jets and Giants did and then knock off $20 average per ticket and they would be considered a middle of the pack team in terms of ticket price. They decided not to bilk the consumer out of paying a huge upfront fee for their tickets, but the trade off is one of the highest ticket prices in the league. At some point, the balance of value will shift to the Krafts. But most season ticket holders wouldn't see a return on a PSL investment in terms of lower ticket costs for decades.

The only advantage of PSLs is that many teams allow you to sell them when you want to give them up which you can't do with the Patriots' season tickets. But if you want to keep your season tickets in your family for generations, what's the difference?

In fact, passing PSLs could cost future generations in inheritance tax since the lower bowl PSLs already have a huge value in a lot of stadiums and will need to be declared. Someone who can afford $20k per seat for a PSL will probably easily hit the barrier of the minimum for inheritance tax to kick in in 2011 and beyond if Congress let's the Bush tax cut expire after this year and do not either extend it or create a new cut.

To piggy back this response, the Giants and Jets are a great example. For the upper level seats the Giants charge a $1000 per seat PSL the Jets did not do upper level PSL's but charge $5 more per ticket than the Giants do.

The individual cost of the ticket for an upper level seat at the Jets game "costs more", but it will take 20 years for a Giants fan to start seeing that $5 "savings" on his/her ticket.

 

[Wolfpack]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

The handhelds are a great idea, especially if they work out in the parking lots. And please don't insult us by saying a cell phone is just as good. You're lucky to get a signal for 5 seconds in Gillette Stadium, let alone how backlagged the whole thing is.

 

[Deus Irae]

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To piggy back this response, the Giants and Jets are a great example. For the upper level seats the Giants charge a $1000 per seat PSL the Jets did not do upper level PSL's but charge $5 more per ticket than the Giants do.

The individual cost of the ticket for an upper level seat at the Jets game "costs more", but it will take 20 years for a Giants fan to start seeing that $5 "savings" on his/her ticket.

PSLs are not tickets. The argument is irrelevant.

 

[mgcolby]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

PSLs are not tickets. The argument is irrelevant.

You can choose to ignore them and claim they are irrelevent, but I bet the Cowboys and Giants fans find them relevant!

 

[Wolfpack]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

You can choose to ignore them and claim they are irrelevent, but I bet the Cowboys and Giants fans find them relevant!

+1, especially in Dallas where the PSL's aren't even "permanent". They expire in 30 years after opening.

 

[patsfan55]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Yea, I used this handheld thing at the Patriots vs. Dolphins game in Miami last year. It's cool.

Multiple channels that gives you a look at just the team/players you want and even one dedicated to just the Cheerleaders

I have an iPhone and the NFL Ticket as well, and the handheld is light years beyond the Direct TV ap that allows you to watch the TV broadcast.

That sounds pretty amazing. Hey guys, I'm a diehard Pats fan first and foremost. The amount of snaps I haven't seen in the last 16 years you could probably count in one hand, but when I go to a game (and I make the pilgrimage once or twice a year) I like to know what my fantasy guys are doing. I just get very anxious when I don't know, it's as simple as that.

As for the HD screens, I knew we'd get them eventually. They became popular in stadiums the year after Gilette was finalized, I was kinda bummed about it. Replays will be much easier to see now, great stuff!

 

[patsfan55]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

The handhelds are a great idea, especially if they work out in the parking lots. And please don't insult us by saying a cell phone is just as good. You're lucky to get a signal for 5 seconds in Gillette Stadium, let alone how backlagged the whole thing is.

Thank you! Verizon is terrible at Gillette

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

You can choose to ignore them and claim they are irrelevent, but I bet the Cowboys and Giants fans find them relevant!

They are a separate purchase. It doesn't get much more irrelevant than that.

 

[Patjew]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Thank you! Verizon is terrible at Gillette

It is. I tried to call tunescribe there a year or two ago and couldn't get any signal. He warned me about it beforehand, too.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Kraft installing new HD videoboards, plus adding RedZone TVs and possibly handhel

Can he put a big tarpaulin over Gillette Stadium that can be extended out to form a plastic roof in the winter to keep snow off the field so New England can present a successful Superbowl bid to the NFL?

Wouldn't want the weather affecting that and all...