Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a guard in league history

[BaltimorePatsFan]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a Guard in league histo

sez you.......even though mankins was a unanimous probowl starter twice in the last 3 years.

heh.....chris snee....LMFAO

Chris Snee has been to as many Pro Bowls as Logan Mankins and has 1 more All-Pro selection as well as a Super Bowl ring. Snee also hasn't missed a game since 2005 and has blocked for 3 1,000 yard rushers in Tiki Barber, Brandon Jacobs, and Derrick Ward. Mankins is a good player but often his pass protection has been mediocre (SB42, the MNF Ravens game, and the 2nd Jets game in 2008) and he's definitely not as good as Snee, who's being paid slightly less than $7 million/year.

 

[chevss454]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a guard in league histo

NFP has this assessment of the Evans deal.

Evans was clearly a priority for the Saints and that was expressed to him as soon as the last confetti was thrown from the Super Bowl win.

The deal

The contract is for seven years and totals 56.7M. With an 8.1M average, it surpasses Faneca by $100,000 as the highest APY for a guard. It contains 19M of guaranteed money, although no guaranteed money after this year. It has 25.6M in the all-important category of money over the first three years.

Positives for Evans

It is the highest average per year for a guard and the second-most guaranteed for a guard to Faneca, and Faneca was an unrestricted, first-day free agent with much more leverage.

The deal is over 14% higher in APY than the deals for Hutchinson, Steinbach and Davis, although those deals are a bit outdated, and almost 12% more than the average for Snee.

The best part of the deal for the player is that he will receive 19M in the next seven months. Evans will receive a guaranteed salary of 7M this year and a signing bonus of 12M paid as follows:

4M on May 15
6M on July 15
2M on January 15, 2011.

For a team that has previously complained about cash flow and has a crucial negotiation coming with Drew Brees (tied to what the Colts do with Peyton Manning), this was a strong point in Evans favor.

Positives for the Saints

They have their right guard under contract for the probably the rest of his career with an extremely valuable length of seven years. The top-of-market average for guards will certainly go up over the next few years while Evans remains under contract.

On guard: the Evans deal | National Football Post

19M paid over the first 7 months is ridiculous money. It's not like the Pats to pay 19M in the first 7 months of a contract although a front loaded deal something like 8-10M guaranteed the first year with 3-4M for 2 payments in years going forward IF he remains healthy and able to play (maybe tie it to a % of plays incentive). That way if he has a career ending injury the Pats would be off the hook.

5 years, 35M
Year 1. 8M + 4.2M
Year 2. 4.2M
Year 3. 3M + 4.2M (3M based on ability to play)
Year 4. 4.2M
Year 5. 3M + 4.2M (3M based on ability to play)

Total = 35M with 12.2M in the first year. Option for a 6th year.

(Damn it's fun spending Mr. Kraft's money.)

This may open a can of worms with the contracts of Koppen et al, however.

 

[Underdog]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a guard in league histo

This may open a can of worms with the contracts of Koppen et al, however.

Koppen's not getting another contract from this team.

 

[captain stone]

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Koppen's not getting another contract from this team...

...unless it's a one-year deal for the vet minimum, no guarantees.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a Guard in league histo

he is still young and will be a all pro for the next 5 or 6 years he is one of the best G's in the NFL

He never was and never will be an All-Pro guard.

 

[Miguel]

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It's not like the Pats to pay 19M in the first 7 months of a contract

Seymour and Wilfork say otherwise

 

[Lockdown24]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a guard in league histo

what happened to making fun of the jets cause revis wants a ton of money?

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a guard in league histo

what happened to making fun of the jets cause revis wants a ton of money?

The difference is that the Jets are probably going to be dumb enough to handicap themselves by paying him $20M a year while the Pats will probably extend $7M a year at the most. If you don't like the way we talk about the Jets, you're more than welcome to leave and go back to that sh!thole of a Jets forum.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a guard in league histo

what happened to making fun of the jets cause revis wants a ton of money?

Get back to us when the National Football Post reports that Mankins is asking for $20m per season. Until then, have a Coke and a smile....

 

[Joker]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a guard in league histo

he's having more than coke..what he needs is Haldol

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: Speculation: Mankins may ask for the biggest contract for a Guard in league histo

He never was and never will be an All-Pro guard.

I tend to agree with this statement.

Mankins is very good. Is he the second coming of John Hannah? No. Not even close. I'm glad he is on the team but (sounding like a fanboy here), is he worth BIG money (north of ave of $7m per season w/ a $15m signing bonus)? No.

If not, is he replaceable with a good FA guard who can be coached? I think so. Can a quality replacement be drafted in the early/mid rounds of the draft? Yes.

With that said, I hope he stays. Hes a quality guy. He plays hard. If he thinks he can get big money, god bless.

 

[zoffle]

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I tend to agree with this statement.

Mankins is very good. Is he the second coming of John Hannah? No. Not even close. I'm glad he is on the team but (sounding like a fanboy here), is he worth BIG money (north of ave of $7m per season w/ a $15m signing bonus)? No.

If not, is he replaceable with a good FA guard who can be coached? I think so. Can a quality replacement be drafted in the early/mid rounds of the draft? Yes.

With that said, I hope he stays. Hes a quality guy. He plays hard. If he thinks he can get big money, god bless.

Mankins is one of the better guards in the league and with him you can have consistency at his position. He is hardly ever injured (I don't actually remember him being injured) and he is one of the better guards in the league, so I don't know how you think you can easily replace him.

In FA if you can find a guy who is comparable then he is going to cost you a decent chunk of change to sign him.

Wouldn't you rather use the picks on other positions and not have to worry about left guard?

Currently this team has a lot of unknowns on the team, so trying to keep high level of consistent play at as many positions as possible is important.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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I took the wholefandamily to a Yankees game last night. $500 for four tickets close enough to really "see" what was going on but too far away to discern the movement on a fastball or whether a pitch was over the plate or a little outside. In other words, $500 for four OK seats. Ridiculous. But the Yankees lost to their Division Leading Rays with a Payroll 30% of their's. Sweet.

Here's my point. The price of not being able to buy a Championship like the Yankees and four or five other teams (including you know who) try their best to do every year is that we have discussions like this.

The Pats have an aging OL with a few issues. Mankins is a pro-bowler who gets the job done consistently, if not to everyone's pleasure here, and he's only 28. Should they pay whatever they have to pay to keep him? It's kind of a no brainer; yes! Will they be able to keep him? Maybe, maybe not.