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Aaron Hernandez's skill set is pretty different than Thomas'. I don't think those comparisons are very good, myself.

I didn't mean to suggest that they are similar talents, just that they are both best utilized as H-backs. Hernandez is actually like a more gifted version of another player from that draft, Garrett Mills.
 
It should be noted, if people don't know already, that Spikes was playing with a groin injury this year and may not have been 100%.
 
It should be noted, if people don't know already, that Spikes was playing with a groin injury this year and may not have been 100%.

owww, this has become a "explain spikes" thread, which i dont mind

i like to know about the eye gouging and about his decreased level ofplay
 
1. Jermaine Cunningham, OLB:
At 6'3", 266, Cunningham certainly has the size and athleticism to play OLB for the Patriots. As a Gator, Cunningham saw mostly one on one competition against an opposing offensive lineman but was capable of shedding blocks either using his initial quickness or by using a variety of techniques to get into the offensive backfield. He also has a high motor from what I can tell. Even when the Gators were being tested in 2009, Cunningham always appeared to give 100% on every play. As a run stopper, Cunningham was more than adequate at setting the edge on wide runs, which is good news for us no matter who he happens to line up behind (Warren or the slew of bodies we have at RDE).
I get the feeling that I don't think he's quite as good against the run as you do. IMO, his likely outcome is that he'll be a solid, unspectacular OLB. He'll get like eight sacks a year and be an OK player against the run. Kind of guy that you feel comfortable putting on the field in nearly any situation, but who will never be a Pro Bowler.

I'd be pretty psyched about picking him up if he were a 3rd round pick. As it is, I'm kind of iffy about taking him in the 2nd. I'd have taken him ahead of Dunlap, though.

The concerns I have about Cunningham are his instincts. I've seen times when he's appeared to completely blow a coverage leaving a man right behind him (usually a RB) wide open for big games. On top of that, I've seen plenty of instances where Cunningham has completely overpursued, allowing the opposing runner to break off big gains. Under the right coaching (which he should find here), Cunningham can hone in these instincts and should hopefully become a good OLB for us.
Pretty spot on, IMO.

2. Brandon Spikes, ILB:
Spikes is somebody who gives me concerns in which apparently none of my fellow Gators or Pats fans share. First, though, let me get to what I believe are his strengths. Spikes could be the thumper that I and others have been waiting for in this defense since the departure of Ted Johnson. I've seen him compared to Brian Cox and, based on his time at Florida, I'd say those comparisons are apt. He's a big, violent LB who excels at getting off blocks from men twice his size and disrupting this in both the passing game and the running game. He's a solid tackler who plays with a violent nature that enabled him to become the leader of the Florida defense (which ranked near the top of the SEC in two of the three years that he was a featured part in that system). A lot people criticized him for the "eye gouging" incident, but I say that I loved that. That incident pretty much perfectly describes the mean streak that Spikes has toward the opposition, which is something this team sorely needed at the position next to Jerod Mayo. I've also seen Spikes called the dirtiest player in college football, which I can also say is apt. If he sticks in the system, Spikes will be Rodney Harrison at LB. In the locker room, Spikes seems to be a natural leader and is extremely vocal. He should embrace the Patriot Way right off the bat. His speed, which has also been criticized, should not be an issue in this defense if his instincts stay intact and he can rely on his technique. Speaking of insticts, Spikes' are off the charts. Spikes was actually a type of ballhawk at the MLB position at Florida and regularly read the quarterback to pick the ball off (he's taken a few back for touchdowns). His instincts were also obvious in the running game as he knew and obeyed his gap assignments.
Bryan Cox is the perfect comparison for Spikes. Not the fastest guy, but big, tough, physical, nasty, and a leader. A+ instincts. I'll tell you what - I knew Spikes wasn't a speed demon at MLB, but his 40 time shocked me. He plays like a 4.7 guy.

And I agree that he'll be a perfect compliment to Mayo.

The one concern that I have for Spikes is his motor. And yes, I know that you've probably never heard that mentioned about him before. However, there are a couple of instances in which one can question it. In 2007, when the defense was suffering, Meyer had to regularly get on Spikes and attempt to light a fire under his ass to get him to be a more vocal and passionate leader in the defense and it took a year for Spikes to respond. In his junior year, Spikes did become a leader on and off the field and it was obvious in the defense. His revenge hit on Moreno for the Georgia celebration the year before stands out. 2008 was by far his best year. However, in 2009 Spikes seemed to regress. As the offense struggled it looked to me like Spikes had lost interest in a couple of games that season. He wasn't the force he was in 2008 and was often the last guy in on a tackle. There were a couple of games in which he played like the junior year Brandon Spikes (rivalry games) but, for the most part, he wasn't as dominant as he was the year before. As a Gator fan, that concerned me about him. As a Pats fan, I'm willing to be more optimistic and grant him that, in 2007, he was still very young and maybe was not ready to become the leader of the defense. As for 2009, I'm not sure what to make of it. He may have had a nagging injury that bothered him for all we know. However, I love most of the things that he can do for us and look forward to seeing him on the field in years to come.
I'm not nearly as concerned as you were. I think that whatever concerns there were early on about his motor or his leadership, those were answered his last two years in Gainesville.

And yeah, he was hurt nearly his entire senior season. Friend who works for the UAA told me that there were three or four games where he probably shouldn't have played because or a bad groin injury, but that he refused to sit.

3. Aaron Hernandez, TE
The Hernandez pick is my favorite of all of them and I consider him an absolute steal. As a player, Hernandez will fill two spots for us: TE and WR. He should play the H-Back role in our offense either lining up on the LOS or in the slot. Hernandez should give opposing defenses headaches by the math-up problems he'll give them. He can threaten the seam, the long passing game, and he's also more than willing to go over the middle of the field. His size is not ideal for run blocking, but it will give opposing DB's fits. In the passing game, he's powerful and more than capable of getting off a jam. He's quick enough to gain seperation from linebackers and he's athletic and powerful enough to gain seperation from corners and safeties. I've never heard of him being a natural leader in the locker room, but he's clean off the field and doesn't seem to have any character issues. Along with Gronk, he should immediately help in the red zone offense and should be able to help divert some of the attention from Moss early in the season. Whoever said his route running needed work should probably watch tape of him again. His route running is as crisp as any of our offensive draft picks and he seems to be bright enough to pick up the offense. The downside to Hernandez is that he isn't a consistent blocker and has trouble with a bullrush. However, considering the moves we made this offseason (Crumpler who is one of the better blocking TE's in the NFL right now, and Gronk who is said to be a willing and able blocker), Hernandez should see himself primarily running routes. And that's a good thing.
Agreed. He's a steal. He was Tim Tebow's binky, and within a couple of years, he'll join Welker as the Pats' main 3rd down threat. If you can find a copy of this year's FSU game, watch that one and tell me Hernandez isn't a player. The Noles had no one who could cover him. They finally stuck Patrick Robinson on him when AH lined up in the slot, and Hernandez was still getting open and making catches..

I've heard that he slipped due to off the field concerns, and I have no idea what that refers to. As far as I know, he's never been in trouble.
 
I've heard that he slipped due to off the field concerns, and I have no idea what that refers to. As far as I know, he's never been in trouble.
A borderline first-round talent based on pass-catching ability alone, the tatted-up Hernandez fell in the draft due to some undisclosed off-field concerns and a torn back muscle apparently sustained late last season.
Per Rotoworld
 
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Yeah, the Globe just posted an article that Hernandez supposedly failed more than 1 Marijuana test at Florida, though not at the combine.

But with regards to Spikes, I'm loving hearing that he played through an injury most of the year - both because it explains his downturn from 2008 and also because it shows the man's toughness. This this team really needs another nasty player who plays with an edge like that. Both Harrison and Seymour were like that and it's clear the toughness is missing. Spikes is one guy who brings it. I think Deaderick is another. I'm thinking McCourty is a tough guy as well. Not sure about the rest.

Thanks for the info on these guys.
 
Hernandez was definitely my favorite pick, and could potentially have the greatest immediate impact, IF they commit to using an H-back. As we saw with David Thomas, they don't necessarily do a good job of utilizing that skill set. I'm hoping that Hernandez' superior versatility as a receiver (compared to Thomas) and the absence of Welker will encourage them to get creative with all he can do.

The difference is day and night.

He will occasionally be used as a H-back. In '04 we had plenty of H-back plays, and I bet you we will see a few of them dusted off and put back in. My bet is on "Over Double Tom" in 1 on alert zip formation (2 x 2 with X wide and Y flex, FB and H) which was a fake play action pass after handoff, with over (RG pull) and even (FB keys will) option. There is also an "Under Tom" where HB speed outside to read hole or scrape off weakside off FB and read tackle block for hole.

In pass, I think we see him in flex, normal or off (OT). If I am not wrong the weakside is called split?

Of course I could be competely wrong. This is just an educated guess.
 
I'm not nearly as concerned as you were. I think that whatever concerns there were early on about his motor or his leadership, those were answered his last two years in Gainesville.

And yeah, he was hurt nearly his entire senior season. Friend who works for the UAA told me that there were three or four games where he probably shouldn't have played because or a bad groin injury, but that he refused to sit.

Yeah, that's why I gave him the benefit of the doubt when posting this thread. He was in his first year in 2007 and I can't really blame him for not wanting to leap into a leadership position. He was still extremely young. As for his injury, I had a feeling that was the case. He still showed up huge in a couple of games last year though. Hopefully that groin is healed.
 
Thanks for the info Kontra. I didn't know too much about these guys since I didn't see much of Florida this season. I'm thinking I should watch their games next season though if BB's going to keep drafting them :p
 
I've heard that he slipped due to off the field concerns, and I have no idea what that refers to. As far as I know, he's never been in trouble.

Multiple Maryjawana drug test fails.
 
About Cunningham, when you look at where he was taken, there were only 2 other players in the next 30 or so picks who could do what he is supposed to do for the Patriots. Carlos Dunlap and Daniel Teo-Nesheim.

One could argue, however, that they could have taken Gronkowski with their first second round pick and then traded up ahead of Baltimore for Sergio Kindle.

Those are the names to compare Cunningham to: Kindle, Teo-Nesheim and Dunlap.
 
I'm not sure that Kindle's upside is much higher than Cunningham's considering that he has that knee injury. Promising lbs can go to crap quickly with knee injuries *cough* Crable *cough*
 
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Just a caution flag for folks, if Spikes' groin injury was bad enough last season, and he was still suffering the effects of it in his 40 for his Pro-Day, don't be surprised if he starts Training Camp on PUP or even misses a few weeks at the start of the season.
 
One could argue, however, that they could have taken Gronkowski with their first second round pick and then traded up ahead of Baltimore for Sergio Kindle.
One would lose that argument, though, since they traded up their first second round pick ahead of Baltimore to take Gronkowski, so they would've also had to trade up their second second round pick to Baltimore to take Kindle.
 
About Cunningham, when you look at where he was taken, there were only 2 other players in the next 30 or so picks who could do what he is supposed to do for the Patriots. Carlos Dunlap and Daniel Teo-Nesheim.

One could argue, however, that they could have taken Gronkowski with their first second round pick and then traded up ahead of Baltimore for Sergio Kindle.

They were never going to try to take Kindle, he needs microfracture surgery.
 
One would lose that argument, though, since they traded up their first second round pick ahead of Baltimore to take Gronkowski, so they would've also had to trade up their second second round pick to Baltimore to take Kindle.

Or jumped ahead of the Gronkowski pick. Where there's a will there's a way. The McCourty pick for instance could have been traded down.

NOTE: I wasn't saying we should have taken Kindle. I was saying that these are players who will fill the same need and these are players the Patriots could possibly have taken.
 
They were never going to try to take Kindle, he needs microfracture surgery.

I never said they were going to take him or should have taken him. I didn't want them taking Carlos Dunlap either. In fact, I'd rather have Kindle than Dunlap.

I was saying that Cunningham could be compared to players similar to him picked in the general area that he was picked: Dunlap, Teo-Nesheim, Kindle.
 
I never said they were going to take him or should have taken him. I didn't want them taking Carlos Dunlap either. In fact, I'd rather have Kindle than Dunlap.

I was saying that Cunningham could be compared to players similar to him picked in the general area that he was picked: Dunlap, Teo-Nesheim, Kindle.

Then what else do you mean by "one could argue"?
 
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