NY Times Draft Analysis: The Winners, The Losers and the Patriots

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Analysis - In the Draft, Winners, Losers and the Patriots - News Analysis - NYTimes.com

When you have a NY Times Columnist proclaiming the Patriots as the biggest winner of all teams in the draft,its something you don't see often from a NY paper writer,its a pretty rare occurence.

 

[skspikex2]

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Analysis - In the Draft, Winners, Losers and the Patriots - News Analysis - NYTimes.com

When you have a NY Times Columnist proclaiming the Patriots as the biggest winner of all teams in the draft,its something you don't see often from a NY paper writer,its a pretty rare occurence.

True, but NYTime is pretty respected newspaper. I know they own Boston Globe and a bit of Red Sox.

 

[Lockdown24]

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unlike the homeristic papers you have up there, a reputable paper with the history and tradition of the NY Times tend to call it like it is.

i'll add to this. when you look at the pats draft there are no jaw-dropping names that i'm downright afraid of but overall they did a good job addressing a bunch of areas with some good prospects. to echo the times article, what scares me most is their ability to stockpile high picks for future drafts and seemingly fleece other teams constantly in the process. at some point, you would think other gm's would just flat out refuse to trade with NE but instead they keep coming back for more...

 

[Deus Irae]

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Haven’t opposing general managers learned by now to check their pockets when they get off the phone with Belichick?

Funny line, but one of the reasons teams are willing to trade with BB is that he doesn't demand a huge overpayment for each trade, so they are happy to work with him over and over.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

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judy batista has always produced pro patriots articles.

 

[CheekyDave]

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True, but NYTime is pretty respected newspaper. I know they own Boston Globe and a bit of Red Sox.

They were but they recently sold their share of the Sox for I think a 17 Million profit, or for 17 million.

 

[CheekyDave]

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unlike the homeristic papers you have up there, a reputable paper with the history and tradition of the NY Times tend to call it like it is.

i'll add to this. when you look at the pats draft there are no jaw-dropping names that i'm downright afraid of but overall they did a good job addressing a bunch of areas with some good prospects. to echo the times article, what scares me most is their ability to stockpile high picks for future drafts and seemingly fleece other teams constantly in the process. at some point, you would think other gm's would just flat out refuse to trade with NE but instead they keep coming back for more...

You cannot be serious?
Two words.

Harsher then I intended sorry, but the Times are VERY prejudicial on many issues, please don't think otherwise, and their sports sections suck, Chass sucked, and that woman ( I forget her name) sucked.
Murray Chass.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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between this and other articles cited on the board, the media have been absolutely effusive today in their praise for the normally disdained hooded one. i think it's safe for all of us to assume that he won't let it go to his head.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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Funny line, but one of the reasons teams are willing to trade with BB is that he doesn't demand a huge overpayment for each trade, so they are happy to work with him over and over.

Except, of course, when you trade away a future pick. Funny how those generally seem to work out poorly for the other team. (How's this for offensive—back in 2007, the Pats traded their late third to Oakland for Oakland's seventh and their 2008 third!)

 

[efin98]

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Funny line, but one of the reasons teams are willing to trade with BB is that he doesn't demand a huge overpayment for each trade, so they are happy to work with him over and over.

Not for picks that year...it's the next year picks that sting worse than anything especially in retrospect.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

unlike the homeristic papers you have up there, a reputable paper with the history and tradition of the NY Times tend to call it like it is.

Methinks you dont read the newspapers up here.

 

[italia44]

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Funny line, but one of the reasons teams are willing to trade with BB is that he doesn't demand a huge overpayment for each trade, so they are happy to work with him over and over.

Exactly right......BB could have drained even more from Dallas,but I'll bet Jerry Jones talked to BB about this scenario possibly arising and BB kept his word.

That's the key......BB keeps his word and I don't think he ever lies to other Gm's about who he is trading up for.

 

[Lockdown24]

Methinks you dont read the newspapers up here.

actually i don't so it is unfair for me to judge. from what i've heard, boston media goes to extreme like ny media. either they're in love with you and are screaming your name from rooftops or you're getting torn a new backside. no inbetween...

 

[patriots pam]

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Exactly right......BB could have drained even more from Dallas,but I'll bet Jerry Jones talked to BB about this scenario possibly arising and BB kept his word.

That's the key......BB keeps his word and I don't think he ever lies to other Gm's about who he is trading up for.

No, sorry...BB is teh debbil and just tricking all of those other poor, innocent GM rubes into selling him their souls-worth of draft picks! . :cry2:

 

[Uncle Rico]

Here's an analogy you won't see in the Herald:

"A flow chart of the Patriots’ draft would look like something from Jackson Pollock’s drip period."

 

[PatsFanInVa]

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No, sorry, BB is teh debbil and just tricking all of those other poor, innocent GM rubes into selling him their souls-worth of draft picks! . :cry2:

This is exactly how I imagine it, actually. You're at #27 f'rinstance (not real-life from this draft, just in general,) and you know you need to get to #24 because your guy is going to go... and you know that BB is one way to do it... slowly your options run out and there he is on the phone, and you can't not do it, even though it never turns out win-win... He's got a guy at 27, and he'll get him. You'll get your guy... but he'll take your 4th or something, package that with something, get a third, package those and get a 2 in the next year... whatever. You just KNOW that when Bill's between what you really covet and what he can take or leave - because he's playing from ahead, as the article puts it - he'll make out for sure, counting the picks... and you're on the hook for MAKING that trade-up worth it.

It's their style, also as the article puts it. A realistic assessment of any draft is that they're crap shoots. Only a very few teams realistically beat the crap-shoot model with any consistency, and it's REALLY hard to do after the first 10-15 in any draft. So why NOT work w/numbers?

I think they've just come to the conclusion that the best average ROI is in that approach.

 

[Phokus]

The NY Times is a reputable paper and they're not really known for screaming at the top of their lungs like ****ty rags like the boston herald or NY Post (i wouldn't even wipe my ass with those papers, not surprisingly, they were owned or currently owned by rupert murdoch). They're more into analysis than crybaby (anti) homerism.

They've had some great articles on the pats, including my favorite article about wes welker and probably the most in-depth analytical report on his skill set and how he is able to dominate in this league:

Happy Feet: How Wes Welker Makes the Patriots Go - The Fifth Down Blog - NYTimes.com

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

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between this and other articles cited on the board, the media have been absolutely effusive today in their praise for the normally disdained hooded one. i think it's safe for all of us to assume that he won't let it go to his head.

Maybe the media is just trying to change their tactics...kill bill with kindness

 

[Uncle Rico]

One thing I've seen and heard a few times is how the Pats trade "out" of the picks. I think any true analysis of what they accomplished this year has to point out that in the first two days they:

- made all four picks they were scheduled to make (albeit with some shuffling, though to hear BB they don't seem to have miss out on anyone they wanted)
- added a fifth pick
- moved UP for a TE they wanted early
- fabricated a 2nd round pick for next year essentially out of thin air.

 

[patriots pam]

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This is exactly how I imagine it, actually. You're at #27 f'rinstance (not real-life from this draft, just in general,) and you know you need to get to #24 because your guy is going to go... and you know that BB is one way to do it... slowly your options run out and there he is on the phone, and you can't not do it, even though it never turns out win-win... He's got a guy at 27, and he'll get him. You'll get your guy... but he'll take your 4th or something, package that with something, get a third, package those and get a 2 in the next year... whatever. You just KNOW that when Bill's between what you really covet and what he can take or leave - because he's playing from ahead, as the article puts it - he'll make out for sure, counting the picks... and you're on the hook for MAKING that trade-up worth it.

It's their style, also as the article puts it. A realistic assessment of any draft is that they're crap shoots. Only a very few teams realistically beat the crap-shoot model with any consistency, and it's REALLY hard to do after the first 10-15 in any draft. So why NOT work w/numbers?

I think they've just come to the conclusion that the best average ROI is in that approach.

That's just good planning and preparation, son! Being smart and ruthless is part of the game, so I just get a little irked sometimes when some people attribute an extra amount of...maliciousness in BB for his draft strategy, moreso than the others. Not that I think he's all sweetness and light, or anything (nor would I want him to be.) He's playing the same game as everyone else - he's just better at it than most. Sorry, suckas! :singing:

And now that I have defended BB's drafting honor, I'm off to snuggle with my grey hoodie!