Where have all the b1tchers gone?

[PatsAttack]

dude they ran for the hills just like our oppositions will this year. Apparently BB does know what the hell he is doing all you so called 'experts'. lol GO PATS

 

[TruthSeeker]

No, we don't see, there is a 2011 Draft, which you'd know if you had even a clue about the game.

That was never in doubt reading the rest of your post though.

Awwe, poor little BritPat, I've hurt your little feelings. Hate to tell you young man, I have more football knowledge than in my pinkie than you have in your whole body. I live breathe and dream football, and unlike you, I've played American football. So take off your rose colored Pat's sunglasses, and look around, BB has been awful at drafting the last 5 years passing up stars for JAG's. The proof is there for all to see.

But like I said, I love the Pats, hate that they've been drafting terribly, and always hope they are right despite drafting unknowns and JAG's, and always wishing these guys turn into stars that help us win championships. Unfortunately they haven't, and BB has been wrong dozens of times the last few years.

Hell, I've been living and breathing Pats drafts since the Mike Haynes/Tim Fox days, I doubt you even know who those guys were. Google it.

 

[zoostation]

This is the kind of post that cracks me up.:singing:

You're basing your moaning off of scouting reports made by guys who make guesses. Not one reason you stated is something I couldn't pull off Scout.com.

All hail the draft "experts". Quoting them makes me smart.

My thoughts exactly!

If the "online draft experts" had 1/100th the knowledge of an actual NFL evaluator they wouldn't be struggling to put that fancy online report he just got done reading together, and doing everything possible to differentiate and distinguish themselves from the other 5,000 doo baggies posting their "expert" opinions. Instead they would be actual NFL player personnel evaluators

he should go back and read what all the "online experts" said about Logan Mankins 4 or 5 years ago.

Lot's of bright, flashy Dez Bryant lights available when BB took Logan (the beast).

 

[hambone1818]

I just love watching them work the draft board, it's a thing of beauty. It seems alot of people are the trigger-happy types who want satisfaction and they want it now, but that's not the way the Patriots operate. They have specific targets in mind with each pick--guys they see as both great value and also perfect fits for the current roster--and they're will to maneuver up or down--mostly down--if they see the opportunity to do so.

But man, seeing them go from one 1st, three seconds and no thirds to one first, three seconds, one thirds (Price), a second in 2011 and (I believe) a 5th is just phenomenal.

As for the picks, they filled needs, they got what everyone likes to term 'football players', and they really fit well in this roster. McCourty is the lone exception in that there wasn't a pressing need for a DB but I really do agree with Belichick that one eye needs to be on the roster and the other on value, and that selection Bill went more with the value he sees McCourty having. Can't fault him for that, even though I was hoping for Odrick.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Im satisfyied with day, however that does not change my opinion on the Mccordy pick... CB was not need 1, and we spent in the last 3 years a first a second , a thrid and 2 seconds and a first, and resign leigh bodden... Jerry Hughes would have been a better fit there...


with that said, solid day 2, and now in the position to take the best player available on the board now...

 

[upstater1]

"We've been talking about" - That's the telling part of your post. There is a group of Patriot fans that appear to live in their fantasy football world and seem to think they have insights into the inner workings of professional football and should have direct input into the decision making process of the Patriots Corporation. Some people need to relax and enjoy the way this wonderful first class organization operates. We can and should debate the tactics of the front office. We can question the decisions, both big and small, of the coaches (even BB); but in the end we are all just fans of a great team and organization. The hysteria that seems to so often infect discussion threads is pathetic.

So like I said in the "rebuilding year" thread yesterday - chill out; have a few beers, and enjoy the show. So far this has been a great draft. And didn't it feel great when the Pats got Carolina's 2011 second yesterday?

A lot of reaction that I read was of the order of this: CB? Bodden, Butler and Wilhite in the slot. Thought we had that solved. Guess Belichick is not sold, and that sucks.

What hysteria?

Listen, if you guys lop all of the *****ers into the troll category (I guess that's what hysteria means, unless you mean all *****ers) then you'll have only yourselves to talk to.

clap, clap, clap.

The oddity of this thread stands out for me since a lot of the people blasting the *****ers have taken the flipside in the past.

 

[TruthSeeker]

My thoughts exactly!

If the "online draft experts" had 1/100th the knowledge of an actual NFL evaluator they wouldn't be struggling to put that fancy online report he just got done reading together, and doing everything possible to differentiate and distinguish themselves from the other 5,000 doo baggies posting their "expert" opinions. Instead they would be actual NFL player personnel evaluators

he should go back and read what all the "online experts" said about Logan Mankins 4 or 5 years ago.

Logan Mankins aside, show me where BB has done better in the last 5 years than these so called draft experts draftwise. Show me, if you want, I will break down every draft since 2005, and show you BB's pick, and who could have been had, and it basically would show what I've been saying all along. BB has been terrible drafting since 2005. Mankins has been his only hit. And there have been dozens of day two picks where he has blown it. I'm sorry guys, keep drinking the koolaid, but BB has been terrible drafting prospects, and if you wanna question my loyalty, go ahead, at least I have the balls to come to this thread and stand up, and offer proof.

 

[blackglass3]

Awwe, poor little BritPat, I've hurt your little feelings. Hate to tell you young man, I have more football knowledge than in my pinkie than you have in your whole body. I live breathe and dream football, and unlike you, I've played American football. So take off your rose colored Pat's sunglasses, and look around, BB has been awful at drafting the last 5 years passing up stars for JAG's. The proof is there for all to see.

But like I said, I love the Pats, hate that they've been drafting terribly, and always hope they are right despite drafting unknowns and JAG's, and always wishing these guys turn into stars that help us win championships. Unfortunately they haven't, and BB has been wrong dozens of times the last few years.

Hell, I've been living and breathing Pats drafts since the Mike Haynes/Tim Fox days, I doubt you even know who those guys were. Google it.

I believe this was the type of thing PJ was talking about when he said the board is in serious need of moderation. Is the insulting tone and the "homer" talk really needed? Nope.

Also, people who claim since they played football they have more knowlegde about it than someone who didn't...it's no better than the posters who claim since they build good teams on Madden they know how to run a franchise.

 

[upstater1]

They're not b1tchers....they just don't understand the process. They like bright, flashy lights (Dez Bryant) to hold and capture their attention.

Most of them thought the draft ended Thursday night and were giving their expertise analysis on Friday morning (this includes football know nothing Callahan on EEI). They all assumed they were slightly better at player personnel than Bill Belichick (who was once again the master of the draft board).

The new theme is similar to the old theme (circa 2003). Draft true Patriot type players. Players that will bring football "smarts", energy and enthusiasm, and ready to go to war.

BS. A load of bull.

Liking Dez Bryant has nothing to do with wanting flash.

Every year we come to the draft, look at our needs, and make guesses. if in most of those years, we don't desire flash, then what makes you think things suddenly changed.

Maybe Patsfans should BLOW UP the draft board where people have discussions about players for months, and the possibility of Dez Bryant dropping to the Patriots was discussed in multiple threads for a long long time. Maybe we shouldn't be discussing these things ahead of time at all.

What happens on the draft board is this: a discussion of the best players and team needs. OLB and WR were two major parts of that discussion. Are WR's flashy? All WRs? Or are you generally talking just about Bryant? Because his game is about power, and not flash.

Lastly, I can only speak for myself but I noted that many others agreed, I am fine with the Patriots not taking Bryant. I'll never know the reasons they didn't, but if they felt there's no way in hell he could learn the playbook, then of course it's a good decision. On the other hand, if they felt he was raw, that's basically the price you pay for a WR with that build.

Many of us also discussed the possibility of trading up a few picks for other players they might have been desirable, like Derrick Morgan. The going rate yesterday for trading up a few spots in the first round was not all that steep.

 

[reflexblue]

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SOME of us dont have to ACT. I went from hating the CB pick to understanding it now to FEARING it! Guess what guys---name the last 2 Pats First round picks who wore #21?? Reggie Dupard AND Chris Canty, the 2 worst first round busts in team history!! Man, I knew I was right the first time.

Gawd you are one of the ultimate b!thers, maybe the president of the club.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

This draft is textbook example of our recent problems here.

I have no problem with posters not liking picks.

However, to sit here and read posting that the draft is a disaster after the 1st round was way over the top. This is especially true with such a deep draft.

 

[upstater1]

This is the kind of post that cracks me up.:singing:

You're basing your moaning off of scouting reports made by guys who make guesses. Not one reason you stated is something I couldn't pull off Scout.com.

All hail the draft "experts". Quoting them makes me smart.

It doesn't have to be about the experts.

It could be from people watching the games.

I'm at UBuffalo and I'm a UConn fan. I've actually seen Price play quite a bit (live, I've seen him in 3 games).

I don't think we know what we're getting with him. He has the size, speed, mental makeup to be a #1 receiver for us. His competition is questionable, his offense is questionable, a few things are questionable. He's a swing for the fences kid.

Some would have preferred Gilyard (I'm a huge fan of his from watching him play, not from reading scouting reports) and I think he will be ready to play in the NFL from day 1. But, he'll never be a #1 receiver. He'll be a gamer right away, run precise routes, snag balls, and play bigger than his body size. He is the definition of a wide receiver. He's also a safer pick.

So, it's a matter of preference. BB swung from the fences and that's a good thing. We also need young guys to take over the reigns from Moss and Holt.

By the way, Gilyard is still out there and he's still available so I don't see why the Patriots wouldn't take another rookie WR. I see only Welker, Moss and Edelman as locks. Holt will likely make it. so there is space for one more guy who could beat out Tate and upgrade the team.

The point is, some of us actually watch college football.

 

[zoostation]

Logan Mankins aside, show me where BB has done better in the last 5 years than these so called draft experts draftwise. Show me, if you want, I will break down every draft since 2005, and show you BB's pick, and who could have been had, and it basically would show what I've been saying all along. BB has been terrible drafting since 2005. Mankins has been his only hit. And there have been dozens of day two picks where he has blown it. I'm sorry guys, keep drinking the koolaid, but BB has been terrible drafting prospects, and if you wanna question my loyalty, go ahead, at least I have the balls to come to this thread and stand up, and offer proof.

Actually I'm going to go mow my lawn. and then grab a large glass of Kool-Aid

But why don't you go ahead and jump online and break down every draft since "2000" for me.

 

[spacecrime]

hey there were a lot of us including myself that were less than thrilled after day 1.

No problem with anyone's discussion, opinions, likes, etc etc. The issue was with the constant nothing-is-ever-right people whose main purpose is to deride everything the Pats do. I think we all can tell the difference between "I don't like this pick" and "BB is proving once again that he is a moron"

hey there were a lot of us including myself that were less than thrilled after day 1. Can you blame us? We've been talking about getting an edge rusher all off season, which was the biggest need, and end up with a CB.

Well, the only thing I would say is that we didn't "end up with a CB." That was one pick out of a dozen, and most know that there is a correlation between pass rush and coverage, as evidenced by the term "coverage sack."

What was interesting was that the same guys who said we could not cover Holmes and Marshall were the loudest ridiculing the idea of BB selecting a CB. Actually, it wasn't all that interesting. It was rather predictable.

 

[ausbacker]

What, one good draft day and all of you b1tches head for the hills? What, nothing to say now that BB might not have "lost it"? Gee, please come back with an 86 page thread about Dez Bryant.

I've been lurking for a long time now because I can't stand to post amongst the gripers-for-the-sake-of-griping. This board has been in need of some serious moderation lately, and for some reason it's been absent. Maybe BB has provided it himself.

Yeah, I know I'm just a stupid homer and GFY and whatnot.

Welcome to the new Pats!

Man love. I have it for you Patjew.

 

[Patsbacker]

People forget that the team isn't built until July/August. Many things can happen. The first round isn't the only day of the draft. Plus priority FA's after today, other teams cutting veterans after the draft etc. As for the questioning of a CB in the first round, go look at how much time defenses spend in the nickel in the new NFL. Most of your better teams are looking for 3-4 quality CB's...including the Jets. Plus 2 #1's & #2's next year? That is INSANE! Go look at the 3 WR's coming out next year...beasts...perfect replacements for Moss. I suspect BB has a plan going forward...

 

[mcgraw_wv]

We have drafted lots of players that seem like the players we just drafted, and were not seeing much of a conversion rate past draft hype.

In my opinion, over the past 5 years, our drafts have been poor on field drafts. for the past few years it seems like every 3rd rounder gets put on the PUP to never be heard from again.

On the cover of this draft story, I like it, I love the TE, but I LOVED Watson, Watson at TE with his speed should have been a unique weapon in the NFL, and was barely used.

So Gronk has me pumped for a long term weapon at TE. But that only matters if we even try to use him.

We have been drafting LBs for years, and only Mayo has emerged as a real starter.

So although so far I love this draft, I want to see these players get on the field, and get a chance, becuase if in July I read that Spikes, or Cunningham, or Price go on the PUP, you can pretty much guarantee you will never see them again, just like every other mid rounder drafted before and before their first game, was stashed away.

And then next year we will just be saying they are losing their position becuase we just drafted the same guy, with the same upside that never gets a chance to stay on the field.

So like all drafts before, I will reserve my judgment until I see some playing time from these guys.

 

[scout]

The fans who bash the Pat's draft crack me up. I follow college football somewhat, and get caught up in the name game. Was looking for the Pats to draft certain players that I had heard so many times through the media. But when the Pats draft the player I've never heard of, its not a problem. I'm sure not a lot of people heard of Jerry Rice when he was drafted. BTW, he was slow. But you say, you know your x's and O's. Tell that to Mel who had Clausen as the first pick for St. Louis....................
The bottom line is, BB knows more about this draft then everyone on this board.........combined.

 

[jsull87]

hey there were a lot of us including myself that were less than thrilled after day 1. Can you blame us? We've been talking about getting an edge rusher all off season, which was the biggest need, and end up with a CB. I myself was not upset about passing up an OLB in round 1 but Dez Bryant or Demarius THomas, potential gamebreakers.

look i would love for dez bryant to have worked out... but you have to look at the facts. BB worked him out he made a visit obviously at this visit the staff said he will not work in our system 23 other teams also passed on this "top 10" talent. I just think alot of people over reacted to the whole thing. Now that being said... i won't lie and say i was ecstatic with a cb in the 1st but once again... what do i know. Day 2 makes us all realise what a good drafter BB realy is. Now lets hope they all work out and make the team

 

[spacecrime]

I was one of the *****ers, and I'm still here, haven't gone anywhere, went to a party, so wasn't around to discuss rounds 2 and 3. And people who think those who *****, aren't Pat's fans are sorely mistaken. I've been a huge Pats fan since 1975. We ***** due to the fact that we WANT the Pats to succeed and WANT the Pats to draft great players to make the Pats champions again. And I know I know I have been negative about the Pat's drafting in the past, but it has been warrented, when you draft ONE Pro Bowl player in the last 5 years, your drafting prowess can be questioned. The record speaks for itself, BB has not drafted well these last 5 years, quite often trying to be the mad scientist by trying to outsmart the NFL, only to wind up outsmarting himself, and failing terribly in the draft. 50-60 some odd draft picks since 2004, and only ONE Pro Bowl/all star quality player, I don't think I need to prove my point anymore.

Only if your point is that the ultimate purpose of drafting is to select probowl players. Us homers think that the ultimate purpose of drafting is to build competitive teams that can win Lombardis. The 2001 Superbowl team was filled with probowlers.

We all want our team to succeed, not just you.

I hear that you are a fan, yet you are not willing to give the team the benefit of the doubt in its draft philosophy. Judging yesterday's draft is an interesting exercise in narcissism. The 100-man scouting department of the patriots is judged good or bad depending on how well their anallysis aligns with your own.

A professional organization that spent thousands on manhours to come to a conclusion as to which payer to draft picked someone you wouldn't have picked. A reasonable person might question whether or not they missed something. Only an egotist of the highest order would immediately jump to the conclusion that their viewing of NFL Live and scouring draftscout.com gave them a better perspective and that the huge scouting department with all their team visits, personal interviews, workouts, film, etc etc somehow missed the boat.

That's what makes the carping funny. Or would be funny if there wasn't so much of it.

That and deciding that the Pat'd draft was bad after they made one of thier 14 picks.

That's all.

It isn't you personally. It's just the sum total of a flood of tripe that eventually wears on people.

I hear you've followed the Pats for years and that is a good thing. Have faith in them. BB is smarter than you give him credit for, and consider that if you judge drafts and FA signings by how well a team does, no one has drafted/signed better than the Patriots in the last ten years.