Trade a 2011 2nd back into this year

[TriplecHamp]

Colts vs. Patriots

Hmmm, who won that last meeting?

A) This is a great draft, the best in years.
B) Next year is not such a good draft.
C) We SHOULD want to participate more in this year's draft.
D) We now exactly ZERO extra picks in the first five rounds. We have five picks, the same as in any other year.
E) Some may have great hopes for the seven picks in the sixth and seventh rounds. That's as it should be. Personally, I just think of the five late sevenths a UDFA's. Certainly, there is no reason that they have much better a chance at the roster. I am NOT dissing late picks and UDFA's. Belichick does very well with these opportunities.

F) CONCLUSION
So, in the best draft in years, folks want to know why we would waste a 2011 pick to have one more pick in 2010 than we would have in a more normal draft year. What can I say? I would rather have more picks than normal in a great draft year. Perhaps you could explain why you disagree.

G) A FINAL NOTE
We may have trouble finding partners to trade into this draft. We have three picks in the first two rounds of the 2011 draft. I am fine with trading wither our own 1st or our 2nd for a 2010 pick. We need the extra pick this year, not next year. And this does NOT depend on who is there. We all have very long lists of players who we would like to draft from pick 22 to 100 of this draft.

I totally Disagree because I guarantee that the 32nd prospect picked in next years draft has a much higher grade than any of the prospects picked in the third round this year. People talk about the Jets "mortgaging their future" wtf are we doing trading a 1st next year for a third this year? Too me its extremely short sighted.

 

[Ring 6]

A) This is a great draft, the best in years.
B) Next year is not such a good draft.
C) We SHOULD want to participate more in this year's draft.
D) We now exactly ZERO extra picks in the first five rounds. We have five picks, the same as in any other year.
E) Some may have great hopes for the seven picks in the sixth and seventh rounds. That's as it should be. Personally, I just think of the five late sevenths a UDFA's. Certainly, there is no reason that they have much better a chance at the roster. I am NOT dissing late picks and UDFA's. Belichick does very well with these opportunities.

F) CONCLUSION
So, in the best draft in years, folks want to know why we would waste a 2011 pick to have one more pick in 2010 than we would have in a more normal draft year. What can I say? I would rather have more picks than normal in a great draft year. Perhaps you could explain why you disagree.

G) A FINAL NOTE
We may have trouble finding partners to trade into this draft. We have three picks in the first two rounds of the 2011 draft. I am fine with trading wither our own 1st or our 2nd for a 2010 pick. We need the extra pick this year, not next year. And this does NOT depend on who is there. We all have very long lists of players who we would like to draft from pick 22 to 100 of this draft.

It doesnt matter if "WE" have long lists of players we like in that group it matters if there are players BB likes enough to trade for. To say it doesnt depend on who is available because you like players you think will be on the board is obtuse unless you have scouted them, interviewed them at the combine and considered how their strengths and weaknesses fit our system and needs.
I get that you are in love with this draft and would trade all of next years for a few more picks, but i will caution you that predicting the quality of nexts years draft now is far from an exact science as evidenced by the guys who are top 20 picks in a May mock that end up drafted in the 4th, 5th, or not at all, which is common.

 

[mgteich]

I absolutely agree that what we think isn't what really matters. It is belichick who evaluates this draft and next. And as always, Belichick will look as trading between drafts. Belichick will compare value in particual positions in this draft compared with his projections to next year.

Obviously, if he is making a trade for a particular pick, the uncertainlty is somewhat removed. However, my guess is that RIGHT NOW Belichick knows how he values various pick from next year.
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My position is straightforward, We have 5 picks in the first 5 rounds this year, and 6 in the first five rounds next year. IF WE CAN GET REASONABLE VALUE (as judged by Belichick), I would much rather have an extra pick in this draft than next.

I do not understand why folks prefer an extra pick in the 2011 draft compared to this draft.

It doesnt matter if "WE" have long lists of players we like in that group it matters if there are players BB likes enough to trade for. To say it doesnt depend on who is available because you like players you think will be on the board is obtuse unless you have scouted them, interviewed them at the combine and considered how their strengths and weaknesses fit our system and needs.
I get that you are in love with this draft and would trade all of next years for a few more picks, but i will caution you that predicting the quality of nexts years draft now is far from an exact science as evidenced by the guys who are top 20 picks in a May mock that end up drafted in the 4th, 5th, or not at all, which is common.

 

[mgteich]

No one has suggested a trade of a 2011 first for a 2010 third. The patriots have often traded a current third for a future second. Having a pick a year earlier has a certain value, usually a half to a full round.

As has been the case in the past, one would expect a trade of a 2010 third for a 2011 second. The patriots have made two such trades just last year.

Hmmm, who won that last meeting?


I totally Disagree because I guarantee that the 32nd prospect picked in next years draft has a much higher grade than any of the prospects picked in the third round this year. People talk about the Jets "mortgaging their future" wtf are we doing trading a 1st next year for a third this year? Too me its extremely short sighted.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

To be succesful this year, the Pats need to have 3 stud players come out of this draft.... If they are trading picks to next year or beyond, they are not improving for this year, and wasting another year of Tom Brady's carrer... I thought they learned thier lesson in 06 when they didnt give him weapons, and the next year we know what happend with weapons.. Lets gets some players now, because FA is a bust which I thought would be...

 

[spacecrime]

Quality over quantity

Hear, hear. Trade all our trade-able picks in this year's draft to move up to #1. If all our picks aren't enough to move that high, throw in picks from 2011, but get the first pick in the draft. Quality, baby, not quantity. Take Suh. Now you're talking!

 

[spacecrime]

I do not understand why folks prefer an extra pick in the 2011 draft compared to this draft.

That's because you are mis-stating what people prefer.

I'm sure you could understand why folks would prefer a second round pick to a third round pick?

If you think of it in those terms, then you can understand the difference in opinion. Which is better? A third this year or a second next year.

But as someone said: it isn't an absolute; it depends on situation. If a player BB covets is available in the third this year, that is worth giving up a second next year. But if there is no one on the board BB really has the hots for when the third round is being played out, then it is not worth trading a second from 2011 for a third this year.

It seems pretty simple to me.

 

[Mike the Brit]

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I generally with your numbers. I count 11 open roster spots, plus possible upgrades. I too have included Burgess as signed. As you, I expect free agents to compete for many of the 11 open rosters spots.

DEFENSIVE KEEPERS (22) with 3 openings (DB, OLB, DE)
DB 8 (Bodden, Butler, Wilhite, Springs/Wheatley, Sanders, Meriweather, Chung, McGowan)
LB 7 (Mayo, Guyton, McKenzie, Banta-Cain, Woods, Burgess, Nickovich/Crable)
DL 5 (Warren, Wilfork, Wright, Brace, Pryor)
ST 2 (Slater, Lockett/Arrington/Alexander)
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OFFENSIVE KEEPERS (18) with 7 openings (OL, OL, TE, QB, WR, WR, RB)
OL 7 Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Vollmer, Kaczur, Connolly/Ohrnberger
TE 1 Crumpler
QB 2 Brady, Hoyer
RB 4 Maroney, Taylor, Faulk, Morris/BJGE
WR 4 Moss, Edelman, Tate, Aiken

SPECIALISTS AND SPECIAL TEAMERS (2) with 1 open (punter)
K 1 Gostkowski
LS 1 Ingram

Useful summary -- but surely Mark Levoir is a keeper on the O-line.

 

[jmt57]

That's because you are mis-stating what people prefer.

I'm sure you could understand why folks would prefer a second round pick to a third round pick?

If you think of it in those terms, then you can understand the difference in opinion. Which is better? A third this year or a second next year.

But as someone said: it isn't an absolute; it depends on situation. If a player BB covets is available in the third this year, that is worth giving up a second next year. But if there is no one on the board BB really has the hots for when the third round is being played out, then it is not worth trading a second from 2011 for a third this year.

It seems pretty simple to me.

If everything else is equal, than I am on board for waiting for an earlier pick in almost every circumstance; generally speaking I'd rather wait a year for the better pick.

But from what I have read everything is not equal between the 2010 draft and the 2011 draft. This year's draft class is supposed to be the deepest in thirty years, with over fifty players that grade out as first-round talents. With that being the case the player you draft in the 2nd round in 2010 is probably going to be just as good as the player you draft in the 1st round in 2011.

You could even go a step further and say that if their are this many 1st-round grade players in 2010, then there will probably be fewer than average 1st-round grade players in 2011. In other words the player you take in the 1st round in 2011 may only be a 2nd round talent. That would make trading a 2011 1st for a 2010 2nd even more logical since you could be adding a 1st-round talent now as opposed to adding a 2nd-round talent a year from now.

Bottom line is that normally I would prefer to hold on to next year's pick. But since this is supposed to be the strongest and deepest draft class in decades, then to me it makes sense to try to add another pick in the first two rounds.

 

[Nonentity]

If everything else is equal, than I am on board for waiting for an earlier pick in almost every circumstance; generally speaking I'd rather wait a year for the better pick.

But from what I have read everything is not equal between the 2010 draft and the 2011 draft. This year's draft class is supposed to be the deepest in thirty years, with over fifty players that grade out as first-round talents. With that being the case the player you draft in the 2nd round in 2010 is probably going to be just as good as the player you draft in the 1st round in 2011.

You could even go a step further and say that if their are this many 1st-round grade players in 2010, then there will probably be fewer than average 1st-round grade players in 2011. In other words the player you take in the 1st round in 2011 may only be a 2nd round talent. That would make trading a 2011 1st for a 2010 2nd even more logical since you could be adding a 1st-round talent now as opposed to adding a 2nd-round talent a year from now.

Bottom line is that normally I would prefer to hold on to next year's pick. But since this is supposed to be the strongest and deepest draft class in decades, then to me it makes sense to try to add another pick in the first two rounds.

Strong draft class for who? Deep draft class for who?

Every team personalises draft boards to their own scheme and needs. If the remaining players in the 3rd round don't fit our scheme/needs, there's no point in drafting them.


That is all that we're trying to say.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Hear, hear. Trade all our trade-able picks in this year's draft to move up to #1. If all our picks aren't enough to move that high, throw in picks from 2011, but get the first pick in the draft. Quality, baby, not quantity. Take Suh. Now you're talking!

I agree trade whatever is needed to get Suh. However BB has to keep at least 2 of the second rounders in order to fill two of the other 3 gaping holes in the roster. (OLB, TE and X Receiver)