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Real nice Mr. Cool. The guy was making a legitimate point. EAT YOUR SUPPER AND GO TO BED.
DW Toys

Legitimate is a subjective term in this instance.

I don't feel his point was anymore 'legitimate' than any of your inane trade scenario's.

Its real funny watching you try to roast me for being a kid, when its you who type's like an over-excited, under-educated teenager.
 
Legitimate is a subjective term in this instance.

I don't feel his point was anymore 'legitimate' than any of your inane trade scenario's.

Its real funny watching you try to roast me for being a kid, when its you who type's like an over-excited, under-educated teenager.

How is this Mr. Cool. I don't care about what you say or do. You saw my name. Don't reply kid.
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According to PFT Mike Florio, if there was a salary cap in 2010, the Patriots would rank #20 with a salary cap charge of $112 million for the team. The Dallas Cowboys rank #1 with a salary cap charge of $153 million.

The Patriots enter the uncapped year currently $15.8 million in salary below the 2009 Patriots team salary of $127.8 million.

well does he take into consideration the likelihood brady gets paid? im assuming the pats would want to heavy load it into this year so if the cap is reinstated its less of a burden. plus we still have some guys we will likely extend. and we have 4 draft picks in first 2 rounds. and im sure we are going to make another move or 2
 
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...
 
When was the last time the Patriots fielded a team that couldn't be regarded a 'winning one'?

ummm last year with a 11-5 record... i'd say that was a winning one... or the year before with the same recore... maybe even the year before that with the whole 16-0 and superbowl thing i will stop there but you get the drift of my reply. god i hope you were being sarcastic
 
So, Crowell, can we reasonably assume that you absolutely DOMINATE your career, year-in and year-out, to an absolutely inhuman level?

Actually, yes.

If you dominate at an inhuman level, then why are you wasting your time commenting on a messageboard? Voluntary OTA's have already begun! The Pats need you at OLB and WR!
 
ummm last year with a 11-5 record... i'd say that was a winning one... or the year before with the same recore... maybe even the year before that with the whole 16-0 and superbowl thing i will stop there but you get the drift of my reply. god i hope you were being sarcastic

First of all, LivingInthePast is agreeing with you. If you re-read his post it states "When was the last time the Patriots fielded a team that couldn't be regarded as a 'winning' one?"--Meaning that you are both on the same page and you are flaming him for no reason.

If you go back to page 1, someone responded "Not since we won the SB in 04-05," to which he states "Sadly that was the answer I was expecting."

Secondly, The Patriots went 10-6 last year, not 11-5.
 
When did he make this statement? Did he take into account all the new contracts after the end of 2009...particularly Wilfork, Bodden and TBC? I would have to figure that just those 3 would cost the Pats over $10M in 2010 cap charges. Add in the RFA tenders and budget for the remaining roster spots (do they even have 53 players under contract at this point?) and I would think the 2010 "cap" for the Pats would end up being pretty high.

Apparently the OP didn't care about a reasoned debate, since he didn't bother to include the PFT link.

Salary cap report, if there were a salary cap | ProFootballTalk.com

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According to my figures the Patriots' 2010 cap figure is for $113,637,073 with 62 signed or tendered players.

I can't find anything about where the Pats were at this time last year, but did find a page that said the Pats were at 106M to start last year's free agency. And they eventually got to 127M. Doesn't sound like we are too far off that path.
 
The cap number is kind of an arbitrary figure. Actual cash spent is much different. The cap is just an accounting figure, and it contains monies from prior years which have been amortized.

Given the big contracts they have handed out, I imagine the Pats have spent a lot more in actual cash than a lot of other NFL teams.
 
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What that shows you is how poorly managed the cap was for the Cowboys (and others) in past years.

Or maybe they were trying to take advantage of the uncap year?
 
Or maybe they were trying to take advantage of the uncap year?

There's no way they could have known for a fact there would be an uncapped year.
 
The cap number is kind of an arbitrary figure. Actual cash spent is much different. The cap is just an accounting figure, and it contains monies from prior years which have been amortized.

Given the big contracts they have handed out, I imagine the Pats have spent a lot more in actual cash than a lot of other NFL teams.

All actual cash (to players) goes against the cap one way or another. So yes other years you have higher cash paid due to when you pay out bonuses but the cap still limits the amount of cash you are allowed to spend. Whether you spend some of next year's cap this year or not doesn't really change that. Their cash spent over the long-term is going to roughly equal the total cap numbers added up over the long term.
 
There's no way they could have known for a fact there would be an uncapped year.

Actually, they were going to take advantage no matter what, and were extremely well prepared.

Cowboys planned well for the uncapped year | ProFootballTalk.com

It's kind of interesting that you stated in the other thread that 'the only teams who could take advantage of the uncapped year would have to spend OVER the 127 million total of 2009'--then a poster (makoute) points out the Cowboys total of 153 million, and you somehow downplay that too.

Since there aren't any threads left in this forum where you haven't spent pages upon pages arguing with every established poster imaginable (deus irae, mgteich, patriotsfaninpa, molewisrocks, jmt57) regarding just about every topic imaginable, by annoyingly breaking down their every sentence, I thought your double talking was especially interesting here.

The other day you had pissing match-arguments going in about 75% of the top 10-15 threads--why can't you just realize that different people have different opinions?

You were on both cap related threads, the WR thread, the RB situation thread, the 'complaints, more complaints' thread, the all-decade team thread, the Welker rotator cuff thread, the diabetes thread, the brandon marshall thread, and several other ones--arguing with anyone and everyone, all at the same time, over different subjects that YOU did not agree with. Again, what gives? Most of us are here to discuss different topics while providing insight at different angles, yet you seem to simply want to disagree with anyone, if they don't agree with you. Sometimes it's not about being right or wrong, it's about being respectful and appreciating others' points of view--even IF you do not agree.
 
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It's kind of interesting that you stated in the other thread that 'the only teams who could take advantage of the uncapped year would have to spend OVER the 127 million total of 2009'--then a poster (makoute) points out the Cowboys total of 153 million, and you somehow downplay that too.

I will readily admit that the Cowboys FO knows a crapload more than I do, and ya know it's more likely that the "league source" is correct that they structured the contracts in such a way that they would have an "out" so to speak if there were a cap this year. Kudos to the Cowboys for their forward thinking. I wish I could see all the examples of their out possibilities, but I'm not so arrogant as to believe that there isn't a lot facts that I don't know about the situation beyond the known 153 hard number.

I have also already conceded that at first glance it is likely the Bears are trying to take advantage of the uncapped year. Although in both cases, Bears and Cowboys, if their cap numbers end up being low then it changes the argument. My main thinking, and I'm not sure which thread it came up in, is that it isn't fair to accuse the Patriots of not taking advantage while others are in March.

Since there aren't any threads left in this forum where you haven't spent pages upon pages arguing with every established poster imaginable (deus irae, mgteich, patriotsfaninpa, molewisrocks, jmt57) regarding just about every topic imaginable, by annoyingly breaking down their every sentence, I thought your double talking was especially interesting here.

Deus is an arrogant douche and I really don't give a damn about that argumentative idiot. He is another one who has terrible logic skills, but the worst part is he jumps in on discussions JUST to be contrarian. I have pointed out some of his best contradictions and obvious intent to do nothing but argue. Patriotsfaninpa is another negative nancy idiot with wacky logic that calls people idiots for making valid points. Both of them have me on ignore, and I couldn't care less. I suppose it's better for the board, I tend to not be completely respectful when it's clear a poster is just being a prick.

I have not had many long arguments with mgtiech nor jmt57. I have had very few disagreements with Mo over the past few years, and really it's only the Moss/WR situation that I have disagreed heavily with him on.

The other day you had pissing match-arguments going in about 75% of the top 10-15 threads--why can't you just realize that different people have different opinions?

I'm fine with different opinions. I'm not fine with the type of terrible logic that is often thrown around in certain debates.

You were on both cap related threads, the WR thread, the RB situation thread, the 'complaints, more complaints' thread, the all-decade team thread, the Welker rotator cuff thread, the diabetes thread, the brandon marshall thread, and several other ones--arguing with anyone and everyone, all at the same time, over different subjects that YOU did not agree with. Again, what gives? Most of us are here to discuss different topics while providing insight at different angles, yet you seem to simply want to disagree with anyone, if they don't agree with you. Sometimes it's not about being right or wrong, it's about being respectful and appreciating others' points of view--even IF you do not agree.

So I posted in a lot of threads and posted my thoughts... Isn't that what a messageboard is for? It's not like I am hijacking threads, or that everyone else's comments in the thread are "i agree" "yep" "no arguments here", while I'm the only one in disagreement.

It's one thing to have different opinions while posting coherent and logical arguments. It's another thing to go off on tangents, ignore facts, nitpick certain points, attack the poster's character, put words in others mouths etc... I find it disrespectful to intentionally do these things, and when it goes on long enough like in the case of the aforementioned douche, yes I admit I can get a little disrespectful myself.
 
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Well, that's a fair enough response. I guess it's simply that you've had poor run-ins with some specific posters, which is way different than it first appeared, not to mention none of my business then also. It seemed as though you were the one at first who was a bit argumentative, and people like that add to the general level of negativity--which already seems worse lately. I guess everyone's here for a reason, and if you like to have back and forths that are that intense, then more power to you. It does take a little while to get used to however.

Apologies then for being wrong in judgement, look forward to having thoughtful discussions in the future with no hard feelings.
 
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Apologies then for being wrong in judgement, look forward to having thoughtful discussions in the future with no hard feelings.

Don't apologize, if I'm coming off as a jackass I actually prefer you be direct and let me know about it. It's just hard to read blatant disregard for facts and logic at times, but I'll ease up.
 
And my Auntie Bobbie had balls she'd be my Uncle Bobby.

Exactly, who gives a schott!

It is what it is.

I wish the Pats would stop thinking about the fargin' salary cap and start thinking about getting an every down running back!
 
According to PFT Mike Florio, if there was a salary cap in 2010, the Patriots would rank #20 with a salary cap charge of $112 million for the team. The Dallas Cowboys rank #1 with a salary cap charge of $153 million.

The Patriots enter the uncapped year currently $15.8 million in salary below the 2009 Patriots team salary of $127.8 million.

And we haven't extended Tom Brady yet. So what's your point?
 
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