Scott Wright @ Draftcountdown.com has us taking...

[mgteich]

I would be surprised if Cody isn't drafted in the first round. He's down to 249 and expects to lose another ten before the draft. My guess is San Diego. As so many have said, they can wait for their running back.

I'd say that Brian Price earns a 1st round grade. I see him going to the Colts.

Mount Cody is also a borderline 1st rounder at NT. I could see some team taking him if they aren't concerned about his weight.

I think the chance of Odrick reaching round 2 are slim to none.

 

[Mark Morse]

I'd look at this a little different.

I have no problem with Odrick or Graham at #22. I think you can get a very serviceable 3-4 DT/DE later in the draft.

With the 1st pick in rd 2 I'd go with Rodger Saffold OT
Sapp at # 47 is fine.
Gronkowski TE with 53 or trade down (say 71 and 92).
TE is not a big part of this offense.

I like Gilyard alot and wouldn't be upset if he was taken with #53. I like Koa Misi better than Sapp right now and if you could pick up a RB like Ben Tate with those extra picks I think that would be the best bet!

 

[captain stone]

Wooten? What position is he going to play? He's not going to play OLB, and he's 25lb shy of DE. He, along with Dunlap, have no position on this team. They are both 4-3 DE's.

I thought that Wootton was more of a 280-pounder than the 270 he weighed at the Combine. My bad; 280 would've been very close to what Jarvis Green weighed for the 2002 draft, but 270 is too far away from being an effective gatepost at 3-4 DE.

I still don't think that Odrick is enough of a difference-maker to warrent #22 overall. How about Tyson Alualu instead of Wootton, then? My concern with him, though is his lack of height. Does he have the long arms to compensate?

 

[Defsoul]

How about Tyson Alualu instead of Wootton, then? My concern with him, though is his lack of height.

I think he would be a much better 4-3 UT than a 3-4 End.

 

[DW Toys]

You think Odrick is going to be available where in the second round?
After the way he showed at the Senior bowl and the Combine, there is a decent chance he will be gone before #22!

After Suh & McCoy, the only DTs that rate a 1st rd grade are D. Williams and J. Odrick. There are more teams switching to the 3-4, and Odrick is a prototype DE. Honestly, I have my fingers crossed that he is still there at 22.

There aren't that many 3-4 DE's available and there is a large drop-off after Odrick.

Cousins,
Can anybody tell me why the love for Ordick? I don't even see him in the top two rounds. His only value is that he is probably the only real Tech 5 DE besides Wooten in the top 100. He seems Mike Wrightish.
Please someone tell me why he is the cats pajamas?
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[tanked_as_usual]

Cousins,
Can anybody tell me why the love for Ordick? I don't even see him in the top two rounds. His only value is that he is probably the only real Tech 5 DE besides Wooten in the top 100. He seems Mike Wrightish.
Please someone tell me why he is the cats pajamas?
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odrick is bigger faster and stronger than mike wright.....

I personally believe the point moot since I think he won't get past the steelers at #18.....4 of their DL's are in the 30's......they need someone to groom opposite ziggy hood

 

[mgteich]

I'm with you. I expect Odrick to be drafted early, certainly by 18 as you say. DW thinks that he won't be drafted until the 3rd. I think someone else yesterday has us drafting him in the second. We'll see who's right.

Odrick would be a major upgrade over Wright. If he's there, I don't see Belichick hesitating, given his history of using the 1st round for defensive linemen when there is a need.

odrick is bigger faster and stronger than mike wright.....

I personally believe the point moot since I think he won't get past the steelers at #18.....4 of their DL's are in the 30's......they need someone to groom opposite ziggy hood

 

[VJCPatriot]

I think Odrick could be as good as Warren, and the Pats drafted Warren #13 overall. Depending on how the draft falls, Odrick may or may not make it to pick #22. He won't get to the second round though.

Although I compared Odrick to Warren, I'm not saying they are similar types of players, I'm saying they offer similar quality. Odrick is more of a disruptive force, whereas Warren is more of a stay at home lane clogger.

Odrick has the versatility to move up and down the DL and play different positions. Which is why I think he can make the adjustment to being a 3-4 defensive end. Check out this article here to find out more. I like the fact that he is used to playing against double teams, because teams feel they NEED TO DO THAT to contain him.

Spencer: Well look at it this way. If a team was watching you on film, how would they game plan against you?

Odrick: Double team me. I think that’s one thing. I’m the type of player that commands a double team. I guess that’s one thing I would write down if I was a scout. There’s not many times throughout a game that I’m not double team. There wasn’t many times throughout my whole Senior season. I think I’m the type of player that left in single blocking, I’m gonna disrupt plays or go make a play. So I’d probably have to say that.

http://draftbreakdown.com/interview-jared-odrick

If there's no Odrick or gamebreaking offensive player available at #22, I'd go straight to the TRADEBACK PLAN.

Bingo! On all 3 counts you are found agreeable as charged, until proven otherwise in a court of public opinion.

Especially on point # deux : the large land mass know as Cody. I see him going to Chargers. By the way, most mocks have them going RB in first round in a deep talented draft pool of RB's. But where is the NT for their 3-4? Smarter if they went NT with first round (Dan Williams or Cody) and then RB in 2nd or 3rd. Naturally - as they are the enemy, I hope they don't get a franchaise NT.

That does make a lot of sense. I remember as I was going through my mock draft earlier, that a LOT of teams seemed to have a need at DT or NT, but there just weren't a lot of guys available who fit the bill. This could push Defensive Tackles up early in the draft. Guys who might have been more like early 2nds in other years might be 1st rounders this year.

I had Dan Williams going top 10 for example. He is very talented, granted, but would he be in the top 10 if not for need? Terrence Cody has some questions that could have pushed him down to the 2nd in most years, but it looks like he could rise back into the 1st after he cut some weight at the Combine. Similarly guys like Alualu and in particular 330 lber Cam Thomas are likely to have their stock rise to at least early 2nd because they could fill that big 'run stopper' up front need.

Alualu
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2010/2/11/1306429/cal-loses-but-tyson-alualu-wins

Cam Thomas
http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=4644

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Odrick is Penn State, right? I seem to remember some big old busts among the linemen coming out of Penn. Aaron Maybin at 11 is last year's Penn Bust. Jimmy Kennedy at 12 also. How about Tamba Hali at 20; not sure if he was a bust but I don't remember his name in lights.

Then one of my favs Blair Thomas at 2 since he went to the Jets.

Of course some good players have come out of Penn such as Posluszny but you have to wonder about some of the linemen...

 

[captain stone]

...and don't forget twin PSU busts Courtney Brown & LaVar Arrington, too.

Be afraid of Jared Odrick, be very afraid...

 

[tanked_as_usual]

yeah....but matt millen came from PSU....that makes up for everything

Bill Lenkaitis, too

 

[Handel]

Btw, consider it is what he thinks Pats will draft and not should. Of course, predicting the 2nd round is very hazardous. (We could say the same after the top 10 in 1st round).

 

[captain stone]

yeah....but matt millen came from PSU....that makes up for everything

Bill Lenkaitis, too...

Good players, but not DLmen. I don't know what it is about that position at PSU lately, but too many of their hyped-up DLmen have underwhelmed in the pros.

We def. need a 3rd DE to complement Warren & Wright (Titus Adams & Darryl Richard do not count), esp. a DE who can make plays in the backfield, but I just feel that we can do better at 22. If some team drafts Odrick ahead of us, oh well; more WRs & Pass-Rushers for us later.

 

[DW Toys]

...and don't forget twin PSU busts Courtney Brown & LaVar Arrington, too.

Be afraid of Jared Odrick, be very afraid...

You have confirmed my suspicions Cousin. I just don't see him as that great of a value and nobody has run to his defense other than he is bigger and stronger than Mike Wright. I think Wooten has a bigger upside and a better pass rusher. Ordick appears to me to be a 4-3 DT.

I am also worried about Sapp at #22 with run inconsistencies and past back issues.

I like Benn but he is crash diving.

I like Demaryious Thomas as a WR but then I think about Brandon Tate and "ye 'ol injury pick". I love Barndon Gragam but he doesn't fit the "template". Same with Weatherspoon. Spiller just got a Wonderlic score about the same as a crash dummy. Spikes has visions of becoming a eye surgeon. Dunlop is an expert play watcher right from on the field and Golden Tate is a slot receiver. Dez Bryant is making Brandon Marshall look good....
At the end of the day, the winner is...what the hell send #22 for Brandon Marshall and lets win this pick and call it a day. I honestly can't see any pick worth more. This is Plan A. Plan B is send the pick to the Vikings for Ray Edwards and you know what you have. The negative here is that "he was playing on a superb D Line so he had other Teams least amount of attention". The Kid had like eleven sacks in his last eleven games including Play Offs. He's only 25. I don't think Wilfork and Warren are chopped liver. It's at least a push all be it a 3-4.

There is good and bad with all of these kids in the Draft. They are being picked to death by the experts and media. This is like asking your wife to give you something to make you happy and something to make you sad at the same time. She informs you with all sincerity that you are the "largest" of all of your friends.
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[BelichickFan]

I like Demaryious Thomas as a WR but then I think about Brandon Tate.

If Moss is gone in 2011, we really need another WR even with Tate. Otherwise, Welker, Edelman, Tate is pretty much it. Addnig Thomas going into his second year in 2011 would make that look a heck of a lot stronger.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

#22 Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
#44 Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
#47 Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
#52 Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati

A solid mock overall with useful comments throughout. Thoughts?

I'm the only one in this thread that thinks this would be a terrible draft.

#22 Jared Odrick - more like the next Adam Carriker. Remember how many people on this board wanted him? As many teams exhibit, you don't need to draft 3-4 DE's early in the draft. You can always find a serviceable DE later in the draft. The Pats have overvalued DE's as this team needs rushers. If they take a DE with their 1st pick, the Pats are officially insane.

#44 Jermaine Gresham - has anybody still not learned their lesson from Brandon Tate? This team is not in a position to take a chance on injured players this early in the draft. And why the hell would you want to take a TE early when the Pats never throw to them? Again, you can find a serviceable TE later in the draft.

#47 Rick Sapp - This pick is okay but it's far too late. I don't want to rely on a mid-late 2nd pick to be the savior of the pass rush. I don't want to see Shawn Crable 2.0. Their first pick needs to be on a rush LB. End of story.

#52 Mardy Gilyard - I have no idea who this guy is but the idea is right. If the Pats go offense with one of their 1st 4 picks, the Pats should take either a RB, WR, or OT.

 

[Taxed in Maine]

I'm the only one in this thread that thinks this would be a terrible draft.

Pretty much, yes

#22 Jared Odrick - more like the next Adam Carriker. Remember how many people on this board wanted him? As many teams exhibit, you don't need to draft 3-4 DE's early in the draft. You can always find a serviceable DE later in the draft. The Pats have overvalued DE's as this team needs rushers. If they take a DE with their 1st pick, the Pats are officially insane.

The pass rush has as much to do with having a good front as it does having good LB play. Green couldn't do it, and Wright is not a full time starter. There are very few 3-4 DEs in this draft, and Odrick would be an ideal fit. BB values his DL play, that is why he has taken 3 of them in the 1st round, and will probably do it again. He must be insane.

#44 Jermaine Gresham - has anybody still not learned their lesson from Brandon Tate? This team is not in a position to take a chance on injured players this early in the draft. And why the hell would you want to take a TE early when the Pats never throw to them? Again, you can find a serviceable TE later in the draft.

I'm not real big on this pick either, but with only 2 udfa-PS guyson the roster they are probably going to draft at least one.

#47 Rick Sapp - This pick is okay but it's far too late. I don't want to rely on a mid-late 2nd pick to be the savior of the pass rush. I don't want to see Shawn Crable 2.0. Their first pick needs to be on a rush LB. End of story.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I see DL as more important than OLB. But you also can't pick what isn't available.

#52 Mardy Gilyard - I have no idea who this guy is but the idea is right. If the Pats go offense with one of their 1st 4 picks, the Pats should take either a RB, WR, or OT.

I also like WR here also, but I'm not sure about Gilyard, he has been dropping. I like Carleton Michell or Taylor Price in this spot. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Taxed in Maine]

At the end of the day, the winner is...what the hell send #22 for Brandon Marshall and lets win this pick and call it a day. I honestly can't see any pick worth more. This is Plan A.

Seriously? I wouldn't give 22 used footballs for Brandon Marshall. The guy's a dirtbag, I don't care how good he is.

 

[captain stone]

I wouldn't trade #22 overall - plus a fat new contract - for Brandon Marshall, either...or for gravy-trainer Ray Edwards. Sorry, DW.

 

[DW Toys]

I wouldn't trade #22 overall - plus a fat new contract - for Brandon Marshall, either...or for gravy-trainer Ray Edwards. Sorry, DW.

OK FAIR REPLY. I AM JUST CONFUSED AS TO THE VALUE OF #22 AND WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. I CAN'T SEE ORDICK. IMO HE SEEMS LIKE A SECOND OR THIRD ROUNDER. I DON'T SEE A WR AND WEATHERSPOON AND GRAHAM DON'T FIT BILL'S TEMPLATE RIGHT?

CAPTAIN, DON'T YOU THINK THAT BRANDON MARSHALL MAKES THIS TEAM BETTER IMMEDIATELY IN 2010. I HATE HIS PERSONAL RESUME BUT THE KID CAN PLAY.
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