Hating Woods: Why?

[HarkDawg]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

Maybe 1% of Patriots fans know how much money Woods makes. I'm referring to the average Patriots' fan who knows what he sees on TV.

Furthermore, it makes even less sense to dislike an UDFA because he makes 3x the Vet minimum as a backup/STer.

Chad Jackson, Laurence Maroney, Adalius Thomas, Ben Watson... those are guys it makes sense to 'dislike' (if that's the word you want to use) based on the money they earn(ed) and the expectations attached to their contributions to the team.

Please find me one post from 2006 with any expectations for Pierre Woods career.

Do you really dislike an UDFA because he's not a starting caliber linebacker for the NEP?

Really?

Honestly.... I do not dislike or like Woods. Check last post

 

[tobias funke]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

Do you think he's worth 2M a year ? And if so why ?

How many players are paid exactly what they are worth? Can you name them? Do you think Vince Wilfork dislikes Pierre Woods because he is 'worth' more, yet made less the last two seasons? What about Wes Welker, arguably the team's most valuable skill player outside of Brady? Do you think he is paid what he is 'worth'?

Is it my money?

Is there a salary cap this year?

Are we unable to sign free agents this offseason because Woods is taking up one of 80 roster spots?

I can't think of one reason why it would matter to me. Not one.

Can you?

 

[satz]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

Some items that i do not agree

1)A 6th or 7th rd pick can easily replace his production.Well if it was so easy there will not be so many teams with bad Spl team play.

2)We draft crable and quite a few 5th rd specialist in the last few years and non have replaced him even though some say its EASY ?
crable,slater,lua[remember the love for this guy],redd and how many LB.DE in the later round who are out of NFL now and this UDFA is still here. No idea how EASILY all this guys cannot beat him for his active game day spot....i mean some where 3rd, a few 5th rounds in there.

3)He is not a OLB he is a good SPL team and why cannot people accept.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

I think ppl r pissed at the overall weakness of our LB core


Woods is sadly a primary OLB on the depth chart of last.


Take a look at this link and plz tell me we need severe upgrades at the LB position.

Ugly list of LB's IMO


http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/depthchart?team=NE

 

[tobias funke]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

Some items that i do not agree

1)A 6th or 7th rd pick can easily replace his production.Well if it was so easy there will not be so many teams with bad Spl team play.
3)He is not a OLB he is a good SPL team and why cannot people accept

Your spelling is atrocious but I agree with your point completely.

The same people who 'hate' Pierre Woods or don't want him on the team are the same people who will vilify our special teams once the season starts and they give up a 40 yard return.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

you're the one not making any sense.....it can't be any clearer than the fact that when given the oportunity to help the pats as a starter, he failed......case closed....he also showed nothing in opportunites to be situational.......case closed again

couple that with the fact that the biggest position of need for the pats is OLB, and knowing that woods can never be the starter they need, he is wasting a roster spot that should be taken by a prospect who MAY develop into a starter....woods is already 28 years old and has not show he can help the defense in any way.

again....it does not matter where he was drafted if he cannot help the team

I have zero animosity towards woods.....I just think he's a lousy OLB that will not have more than a cup of coffee with another team

That doesn't make any sense, though.

Not every player on the team is going to start, and not every player on the team is going to be a blue chip.

Regardless of your opinions on the quality of Woods as a player, the fact remains that he was an UDFA who has managed to stick with an NFL team run by a great defensive mind for 3, going on 4 seasons now. I'm sure there are those, like you, who believe that shouldn't be the case, but it is, and the decision was made by people who have much more intimate knowledge of Woods' abilities as a player and his contributions to the team.

I don't have any animosity towards Woods the way it seems some here do, for whatever reasons, but if any of them make a little sense to me, it would be the fumble recovery.

Any other reason to dislike the guy or not be happy with whatever little he has brought to this team makes no sense to me. No team survives without roleplayers and backups like Woods, whether you like him or not, or believe that he could be upgraded. But if Belichick feels like he still deserves a roster spot, who are we to disagree?

I mean I know there are those who will, but they only make themselves look dumber by pretending to understand why the low-to-middle end of the roster exists, and how best to stock it.

 

[The_Riddler]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

How many players are paid exactly what they are worth? Can you name them? Do you think Vince Wilfork dislikes Pierre Woods because he is 'worth' more, yet made less the last two seasons? What about Wes Welker, arguably the team's most valuable skill player outside of Brady? Do you think he is paid what he is 'worth'?

Is it my money?

Is there a salary cap this year?

Are we unable to sign free agents this offseason because Woods is taking up one of 80 roster spots?

I can't think of one reason why it would matter to me. Not one.

Can you?

Bill Clinton, I ask again, do you think Pierre Woods is worth 2M a year? It's really a straight-forward question.

For a team that is so picky with their money and how they allocate it, it's surprising to alot of us that for what this guy brings to the table, that he would be paid this kind of money, I don't care if it's 1/100 of the CAP, you can find 30 guys in rounds (5-7) right now in college that can do the same damn job if not better at 1/10 of the cost.

 

[tobias funke]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

Bill Clinton, I ask again, do you think Pierre Woods is worth 2M a year? It's really a straight-forward question.

Just because you didn't get the answer you were looking for doesn't mean I didn't answer your question.

It's also very clear that you don't want to answer mine.

The fact of the matter is that neither of us know how much Pierre Woods is 'worth', and pretending to know would only make one of us look very stupid.

I'll let you know when I have access to the All-22 coaches tape, and have spent more time studying the intricacies of NFL contracts and how Pierre matches up to the other 2500 players in the league.

Maybe we can have this conversation again then, when I'm sure I'm closer to actually having the information required to make an informed decision.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

Just because you didn't get the answer you were looking for doesn't mean I didn't answer your question.

It's also very clear that you don't want to answer mine.

The fact of the matter is that neither of us know how much Pierre Woods is 'worth', and pretending to know would only make one of us look very stupid.

I'll let you know when I have access to the All-22 coaches tape, and have spent more time studying the intricacies of NFL contracts and how Pierre matches up to the other 2500 players in the league.

Maybe we can have this conversation again then, when I'm sure I'm closer to actually having the information required to make an informed decision.

I know what he is worth......ZERO

 

[tobias funke]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

he failed......case closed

I can only hope that I someday fail hard enough to make $2,000,000 in one year.

I have a feeling I'm not alone.

 

[pats1]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

So .... he is paid like a spl teamer so why is judged as a OLB.

list some of the OLB who you make 2 million a year and are good.[not in the rookie contract ]

Because some people are suggesting that he be part of an OLB rotation. His overuse at that position has made it obvious there is no untapped potential to be had, four years into his tenure.

People aren't "hating" him, just realizing what his ceiling is.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

According to Miguel's cap page that nobody bothered to check Woods salary this year will be $1,176,000. If he would have been tendered at the second round level than his salary would have been closer to $2million. There was a thread discussing the rumor that they would tender him at a second round level and many people including myself didn't think his play warranted doubling his salary, the team agreed and tendered him at the original round level which gives the Pats no compensation if another team signs him but allows the Pats to match if they so choose. I don't think anybody hates him, they just don't think he is a very good player. Maybe if the Pats actually acquired an OLB who could play, people wouldn't focus their energy on Woods.

 

[mgteich]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

For me, ths situation is simple. Woods is a fine role player, and we have always needed role players.

A) I like Woods as a special teamer. He has been one of our best for years.

B) Woods is a reasonable backup OLB. He should be our #4 or #5 OLB who plays special teams. Compare him to Izzo or Davis, previous special team specialists who played linebacker. He can be the #4, if the #5 is a developing youngster.

C) The problem, and it is a problem, is that Woods is called upon to do more than being a backup LB and special teamer. That is not because of anything having to do with Woods, who is a reasonable substitute in case of injury, or a limited role player.

The problem is that there is no one else on the team that plays better than he does, and who would take over his reps. It is not the fault of Woods that the team depends on guys like Crable, Ninkovich, Thomas and Burgess.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

I can only hope that I someday fail hard enough to make $2,000,000 in one year.

I have a feeling I'm not alone.

feel free to keep changing the topic

 

[pats1]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

For me, ths situation is simple. Woods is a fine role player, and we have always needed role players.

A) I like Woods as a special teamer. He has been one of our best for years.

B) Woods is a reasonable backup OLB. He should be our #4 or #5 OLB who plays special teams. Compare him to Izzo or Davis, previous special team specialists who played linebacker. He can be the #4, if the #5 is a developing youngster.

C) The problem, and it is a problem, is that Woods is called upon to do more than being a backup LB and special teamer. That is not because of anything having to do with Woods, who is a reasonable substitute in case of injury, or a limited role player.

The problem is that there is no one else on the team that plays better than he does, and who would take over his reps. It is not the fault of Woods that the team depends on guys like Crable, Ninkovich, Thomas and Burgess.

Very well put.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

For me, ths situation is simple. Woods is a fine role player, and we have always needed role players.

A) I like Woods as a special teamer. He has been one of our best for years.

B) Woods is a reasonable backup OLB. He should be our #4 or #5 OLB who plays special teams. Compare him to Izzo or Davis, previous special team specialists who played linebacker. He can be the #4, if the #5 is a developing youngster.

C) The problem, and it is a problem, is that Woods is called upon to do more than being a backup LB and special teamer. That is not because of anything having to do with Woods, who is a reasonable substitute in case of injury, or a limited role player.

The problem is that there is no one else on the team that plays better than he does, and who would take over his reps. It is not the fault of Woods that the team depends on guys like Crable, Ninkovich, Thomas and Burgess.

agree on the special teams.........but as an OLB he has never shown to be capable at much of anything.....I'd be more interested in tgiving crable a shot over woods if he could actually step on the field.......given the situation, the pats cannot afford to have an OLB they can't count on for anything but ST....they can do better with a rookie who can actually put out some hope for being productive at the OLB position

 

[tobias funke]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

feel free to keep changing the topic

What topic? Your posts are rambling nonsense filled with ellipses and containing little to no point beyond "Pierre Woods is a ****ty LB and is worth $0."

Are you really shocked that I've long since stopped debating whatever point it is you think hammering away at is worth it?

I think I've explained myself very clearly, and I don't post to change the 'opinions as fact' mentality of random poster X. If you're upset that I'm not dumbing the conversation down to a level you can handle, I'm sorry but you're just going to have to deal. :-(

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

What topic? Your posts are rambling nonsense filled with ellipses and containing little to no point beyond "Pierre Woods is a ****ty LB and is worth $0."

Are you really shocked that I've long since stopped debating whatever point it is you think hammering away at is worth it?

I think I've explained myself very clearly, and I don't post to change the 'opinions as fact' mentality of random poster X. If you're upset that I'm not dumbing the conversation down to a level you can handle, I'm sorry but you're just going to have to deal. :-(

sounds like you're the one who's upset.......

but the fact is, you don't explain anything clearly....you throw out a bunch of gobbldy gook instead of answering other people's questions

but woods is a crappy OLB

 

[tobias funke]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

you throw out a bunch of gobbldy gook

How can I be upset when I get to enjoy posts like this.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Hating Woods Why?

He can't set the edge, he can't rush the passer and he can't cover.

He plays OLB because there is nobody else and that is on the coaching staff.

Woods CAN and DOES set the edge just fine. In fact, he was better at setting the edge than Burgess or Thomas.

People forget that Woods has very limited time playing OLB in game situations.
Woods is a fantastic special teamer.

Many people "hate" on Woods because of the fumble recovery during the Giants SB in which Woods clearly had the ball and was down by contact, yet the referees allowed a pig pile and Ahmad Bradshaw was able to squirm in and get the ball during the scrum.