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Cousins, There has been an ongoing battle in this forum over whether we should go all Draft and avoid the Marshall's, T.O.'s and Peppers of this off-season. I think we can see how your ideas stack up and who will bring the best possible scenario.
This Team is in need for talent. I think that although building though the Draft is great, it works only if you have talent in place to integrate those picks from the study made by the University of Illinois a few years back. 18% over a three year period as an average successful NFL Draft helps us mostly in 2013 if we can step up a get four good picks from this Draft. 2010?
I feel a smart. aggressive F.O. can make o few needed trades to make a Team stronger. Look what the Jets did last year and the Saints went in the same direction.
Here is a little challenge on how I feel a player like Marshall could help and why I don't understand if he is not at the least, considered by BB:
RULES-I will make four trades and two reasonable FA pick ups that can be done by trading those "precious" (18% successful over three year), Draft picks or present roster player trades ("oh, you can't do that in the NFL") that make the 2010 Pats better than any team you can show me "building through the Draft". I will keep two of the top 53 and swap within the first 100 picks whether Trades or not. (I agree you must have some Draft picks to replenish over time).
The "BUILD TROUGH THE DRAFT OR NOTHING" guys can pick any four players from #22 to pick #100.
The rules say I can swap any player or picks for another player or pick.
The goal is who will make the Patriots better in 2010 and 2011?
DW Toys picks (no Madden picks as some like to say):
WR Brandon Marshall for pick #22-One of the top five WR in the game today with acknowledged maturity issue. This one player changes the whole dynamic of the Team. He is only 26. Yep,he will cost us a salary spike.
DE Adam Carriker for DT Ron Brace and our 4th round pick. The Rams need a DT. Carriker was cast incorrectly as a 4-3 DT and added twenty LBS. that made his game slower. IMO Brace was selected in case they could not get Vince done. Pryor can fill the NT back up slot. Brace and Carriker have underachieved. Carriker was a 1st rounder and Brace was one of the BB 2nd round shots. Brace might still be a very good player but we need a 5 tech DE badly right away, not another DT like the Rams do. Brace had a good NCAA resume and is still young enough to mold for the Rams. For the Pats, Carriker has more potential than Brace and is now healthy. He is only 26. His salary is reasonable. This is a very fair trade.
OLB Chris Cocong and the Eagles #70 and #87 picks in round 3 for RB L. Maroney and the Pats second #53. The NFL Trade Value Chart says our #53 is worth 370 pts. The two Eagle third rounders are worth 395 pts. The Eagles Drafted Gocong and miscast him as a 4-3 OLB. His best position would be 3-4 rush OLB. " In 2005, Gocong set a Division 1-AA season-record with 23.5 sacks and led the nation with 31 tackles behind the line of scrimmage. He recorded a career-high 98 tackles, caused four fumbles, recovered two others and deflected four passes. He was voted a unanimous All-American and recipient of the Buchanan Award". At 263 LBS and he can run well and Gocong can set the edge in a 3-4. The Eagles are trying to find a veteran RB to share the work load with McCoy. He is only 27. Again, a very fair trade.
TE Chris Cooley a two time Pro Bowl player who is only 27, for AD and a third rounder #87. I went back and fourth on this and here is my reasoning; Cooley is capable of 60 catches or more and with Welker down, he helps Edelman pick up the slack as a secondary target for TB. He is like Clark. Cooley can split out. He has played the FB position so he is as versatile as BB likes. We on this forum, feel AD is bad. Through the some of the rest of the league feel he is still a very good player. He doesn't fit with BB or the Pats. The Skins are going 3-4 and want to have another OLB to compliment Orakpo. Carter does not fit in a 3-4. Thomas is still playing at a decent level. In three years here he has had 14.5 sacks. Not great but not bad and he broke his arm in 2008. His contract is high but that never scares Dan. It saves them wasting a pick on an OLB in 2010 when they have so many needs. What AD brings to Shanny is a 3-4 experienced OLB. Why the third rounder? To compensate for the said contract issue.
FA ILB Andra Davis. He is only 31 He becomes the strong ILB paired with Mayo. Guyton can move outside. He is a very stout, good tackling veteran with 90 in 13 games. BB should approve of taking a shot with this guy.
FA WR Brian Westbrook. That's right. I said WR. He can't take the beating a RB takes but he is 5'10" and 202lbs so he can be bigger than most WR out there. He split out many times for the Eagles. Holds the Eagles all-time single-season records in receptions (90). From 2003, "Westbrook leads NFL RBs in recepts. (338), receiving yds. (3,121) and receiving TDs (23)".
He could also spell Faulk as a third down back for a few plays per game. After the catch is where he will excel for the Pats. He would create big match up problems. He is 30.
Now I still have picks:
#45- I like Terrance Cody Alabama because he is really the only actual game changer on the whole Draft board and with he and Vince and Davis, you cannot run up the middle on the Pats as the Ravens torched us.
#47 I will take Jerry Hughes TCU for an OLB if Weatherspoon is gone
#70 I will take Toby Gerhart RB Stanford or Hardesty if Gerhart is gone.
6th WR Freddie Barnes Bowling Green
7th KR/WR Tridan Holliday LSU
7th SS Myron Rolle FL.St.
7th comp CB Nolan Carroll Maryland
7th comp FB/LB/TE/ST Jameson Konz Kent State (4.3 speed at 6'3 at 225lbs)
7th comp P Matt Dodge East Carolina
7th comp OT Thomas Welch Vanderbilt
OK now it is your turn. Show me your 1 firts rounder #22, 3 seconds #44, #45, #53 and a forth (#118?) to got with the 6th through 7ths and see who you feel will make the Patriots better than my suggestions.
Nobody is right or wrong. This is just an idea to see who can come up with the fastest roster changes to help the Pats contend in 2010. I say trades with some choices.
DW Toys
This Team is in need for talent. I think that although building though the Draft is great, it works only if you have talent in place to integrate those picks from the study made by the University of Illinois a few years back. 18% over a three year period as an average successful NFL Draft helps us mostly in 2013 if we can step up a get four good picks from this Draft. 2010?
I feel a smart. aggressive F.O. can make o few needed trades to make a Team stronger. Look what the Jets did last year and the Saints went in the same direction.
Here is a little challenge on how I feel a player like Marshall could help and why I don't understand if he is not at the least, considered by BB:
RULES-I will make four trades and two reasonable FA pick ups that can be done by trading those "precious" (18% successful over three year), Draft picks or present roster player trades ("oh, you can't do that in the NFL") that make the 2010 Pats better than any team you can show me "building through the Draft". I will keep two of the top 53 and swap within the first 100 picks whether Trades or not. (I agree you must have some Draft picks to replenish over time).
The "BUILD TROUGH THE DRAFT OR NOTHING" guys can pick any four players from #22 to pick #100.
The rules say I can swap any player or picks for another player or pick.
The goal is who will make the Patriots better in 2010 and 2011?
DW Toys picks (no Madden picks as some like to say):
WR Brandon Marshall for pick #22-One of the top five WR in the game today with acknowledged maturity issue. This one player changes the whole dynamic of the Team. He is only 26. Yep,he will cost us a salary spike.
DE Adam Carriker for DT Ron Brace and our 4th round pick. The Rams need a DT. Carriker was cast incorrectly as a 4-3 DT and added twenty LBS. that made his game slower. IMO Brace was selected in case they could not get Vince done. Pryor can fill the NT back up slot. Brace and Carriker have underachieved. Carriker was a 1st rounder and Brace was one of the BB 2nd round shots. Brace might still be a very good player but we need a 5 tech DE badly right away, not another DT like the Rams do. Brace had a good NCAA resume and is still young enough to mold for the Rams. For the Pats, Carriker has more potential than Brace and is now healthy. He is only 26. His salary is reasonable. This is a very fair trade.
OLB Chris Cocong and the Eagles #70 and #87 picks in round 3 for RB L. Maroney and the Pats second #53. The NFL Trade Value Chart says our #53 is worth 370 pts. The two Eagle third rounders are worth 395 pts. The Eagles Drafted Gocong and miscast him as a 4-3 OLB. His best position would be 3-4 rush OLB. " In 2005, Gocong set a Division 1-AA season-record with 23.5 sacks and led the nation with 31 tackles behind the line of scrimmage. He recorded a career-high 98 tackles, caused four fumbles, recovered two others and deflected four passes. He was voted a unanimous All-American and recipient of the Buchanan Award". At 263 LBS and he can run well and Gocong can set the edge in a 3-4. The Eagles are trying to find a veteran RB to share the work load with McCoy. He is only 27. Again, a very fair trade.
TE Chris Cooley a two time Pro Bowl player who is only 27, for AD and a third rounder #87. I went back and fourth on this and here is my reasoning; Cooley is capable of 60 catches or more and with Welker down, he helps Edelman pick up the slack as a secondary target for TB. He is like Clark. Cooley can split out. He has played the FB position so he is as versatile as BB likes. We on this forum, feel AD is bad. Through the some of the rest of the league feel he is still a very good player. He doesn't fit with BB or the Pats. The Skins are going 3-4 and want to have another OLB to compliment Orakpo. Carter does not fit in a 3-4. Thomas is still playing at a decent level. In three years here he has had 14.5 sacks. Not great but not bad and he broke his arm in 2008. His contract is high but that never scares Dan. It saves them wasting a pick on an OLB in 2010 when they have so many needs. What AD brings to Shanny is a 3-4 experienced OLB. Why the third rounder? To compensate for the said contract issue.
FA ILB Andra Davis. He is only 31 He becomes the strong ILB paired with Mayo. Guyton can move outside. He is a very stout, good tackling veteran with 90 in 13 games. BB should approve of taking a shot with this guy.
FA WR Brian Westbrook. That's right. I said WR. He can't take the beating a RB takes but he is 5'10" and 202lbs so he can be bigger than most WR out there. He split out many times for the Eagles. Holds the Eagles all-time single-season records in receptions (90). From 2003, "Westbrook leads NFL RBs in recepts. (338), receiving yds. (3,121) and receiving TDs (23)".
He could also spell Faulk as a third down back for a few plays per game. After the catch is where he will excel for the Pats. He would create big match up problems. He is 30.
Now I still have picks:
#45- I like Terrance Cody Alabama because he is really the only actual game changer on the whole Draft board and with he and Vince and Davis, you cannot run up the middle on the Pats as the Ravens torched us.
#47 I will take Jerry Hughes TCU for an OLB if Weatherspoon is gone
#70 I will take Toby Gerhart RB Stanford or Hardesty if Gerhart is gone.
6th WR Freddie Barnes Bowling Green
7th KR/WR Tridan Holliday LSU
7th SS Myron Rolle FL.St.
7th comp CB Nolan Carroll Maryland
7th comp FB/LB/TE/ST Jameson Konz Kent State (4.3 speed at 6'3 at 225lbs)
7th comp P Matt Dodge East Carolina
7th comp OT Thomas Welch Vanderbilt
OK now it is your turn. Show me your 1 firts rounder #22, 3 seconds #44, #45, #53 and a forth (#118?) to got with the 6th through 7ths and see who you feel will make the Patriots better than my suggestions.
Nobody is right or wrong. This is just an idea to see who can come up with the fastest roster changes to help the Pats contend in 2010. I say trades with some choices.
DW Toys