Trading up: who?

[FredFromDartmouth]

i would consider trading up if a couple of player are there that we want...i would trade up for Haden, Dez Bryant, or McClain. I have a feeling McClain will drop to us like Wilfork did.

No Dez for me. He almost certainly has a full-length fur coat. We need guys with names like Bubba or Mosi or ending in -ski.

Seriously though Dez is a great fantasy pick but not a Patriots sort of guy.

McCain is a great player but ILB is not priority now. If he fell to 22 well...that would present a dilemma.

Trading down is the best move this year; gets us away from those overpriced (esp. this year!) first rounders and allows us to pick up more guys. We need bodies; lots of them.

 

[spacecrime]

It makes little sense to draft up this year when the Patriots have so many holes and it is such a deep draft, but if they did who would they target?

It makes little sense to cut off one of your cajones with a rusty hacksaw blade, but if you did, which one would you target? The left one or the right one?

 

[patsfan-1982]

the fish. denver and now the bills will be runing the 3-4 and all 3 have all most the same needs as the pats DE and OLB.

the bills pick #9

denver #11

the fish #12


the pats would have to trade up pretty high. i can see the pats tradeing down but not up


IMO the pats will stay at #22 and pick the best talent on the bord and that may not be a defensive player it may just be one of the top WR's RB's or G's

 

[spacecrime]

You might like having a boatload of second round picks, but I prefer quality over quantity.

Since when are second round picks not quality picks?

If you compare a secondary comprised of a single top ten pick and three UDFAs, or four players picked with our first four draft picks, which is likely to be the better secondary?

 

[mgteich]

Our first four picks in this draft certainly qualify as quality picks. We are likely to get red-chip players and future starters with those picks.

HOWEVER, blue chip players are not the same as red-chip players. This is a great draft. We may or may not get one of these players at 22. We have done so in the past with Wilfork and Mankins. Fo many, a blue-chip player is worth our 22 and 53, perhaps with a 3rd rounder coming back, perhaps not.

Since when are second round picks not quality picks?

If you compare a secondary comprised of a single top ten pick and three UDFAs, or four players picked with our first four draft picks, which is likely to be the better secondary?

 

[jeffbiologist]

I know its against the sacred cow to trade up, but I agree if you were to ever try and get up for a blue chipper(Suh!)this is the year! He will get by #1 and Detroit wants to trade down so they will likely give a little on value. We have the pick from the Seymour trade, our #1 and throw in Brace(#2 last year expendable with Vince's signing and Pryor's emergence). The value is there, it is an uncapped year, and it is the position of greatest need.....he can rush the passer. Doing this trade wont blow up our draft either as we will still have the 2nd rounders. I'd do this in a minute, anyone else??

 

[condon84]

Since when are second round picks not quality picks?

If you compare a secondary comprised of a single top ten pick and three UDFAs, or four players picked with our first four draft picks, which is likely to be the better secondary?

The way I look at it is that we need an impact player. Butler and Vollmer looked like they could be solid pros but if you ask me, I'd rather take my chance at getting someone like Suh who could have an impact like Seymour had than get another batch of Chung, Butler, Brace, and Vollmer. PLUS you look at our options at DE and who we have over there, then the prospect of getting someone like Suh becomes more enticing.

Bottom line is that we need an impact player. We've accumulated some nice players the past two drafts, but we haven't added a difference maker that can push a defense over the top. I think Suh can be that player and I would give up our 4 picks in the first two rounds to get him.

 

[bucky]

BB has traded up when it wasn't too expensive (bot financially and pick-wise) to do so.

He moved up from 14 to 13 for Warren, giving up a 6th, I believe. He also moved up from 32 to 21 for Graham, giving up a 3rd and 5th - which is a pretty good deal. He's also traded up a number of times in the 2nd round, but I don't believe that he's ever traded a 2nd round pick in order to move up in the draft. He obviously views those as highly valuable.

So that may be the measuring stick - can we trade up without using one of our 2nd round picks? Given that we don't have a 3rd, we can only expect move up 3 spots or so.

Having said that, I would actually prefer to trade down and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick. There are a lot of good prospects and we have a lot of holes on the roster.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Interestingly enough, it will be a lot easier to trade up this year because everyone will want to trade down (because of the depth of the draft and the outlandish contacts guys like Rosenputz will demand).

The only situation that makes sense would be a game changing pass rusher or shutdown corner. WRs you can get later and TEs too.

 

[tombonneau]

The way I look at it is that we need an impact player. Butler and Vollmer looked like they could be solid pros but if you ask me, I'd rather take my chance at getting someone like Suh who could have an impact like Seymour had than get another batch of Chung, Butler, Brace, and Vollmer. PLUS you look at our options at DE and who we have over there, then the prospect of getting someone like Suh becomes more enticing.

Bottom line is that we need an impact player. We've accumulated some nice players the past two drafts, but we haven't added a difference maker that can push a defense over the top. I think Suh can be that player and I would give up our 4 picks in the first two rounds to get him.

Good posting. The Pats need to walk away from this offseason having added one playermaker on both sides of the ball or it will be another early exit in 2011.

People love to praise Mayo, but thus far he's just another steady player on defense. Even he admitted last offseason he needed to make more plays, yet his second year was just as unspectacular in the playmaking department.

To that end, if the Pats trade up for anyone my vote would be Eric Berry. The guy makes plays on D, pure and simple. If he starts sliding to the 8-9 range I'd love to see BB make a power move.

 

[bucky]

Good posting. The Pats need to walk away from this offseason having added one playermaker on both sides of the ball or it will be another early exit in 2011.

People love to praise Mayo, but thus far he's just another steady player on defense. Even he admitted last offseason he needed to make more plays, yet his second year was just as unspectacular in the playmaking department.

To that end, if the Pats trade up for anyone my vote would be Eric Berry. The guy makes plays on D, pure and simple. If he starts sliding to the 8-9 range I'd love to see BB make a power move.

I absolutely agree with everything in that post. But Berry can't possible get past Cleveland at 7, can he? I think the Pats can get playmakers in the 22-40 range. That's why I'd try to move down from 22 and try to get ammunition to move up from 44.

The guys I'd target as playmakers on Offense on that range - Best, Tate, D Thomas.
Defensively, I'm looking for a pass rusher like Hughes, Griffen, Kindle, Graham, maybe Odrick.

 

[mgteich]

You want to trade dwon for Odrick or Graham. That is curious since the consensus is that Odrick will be long gone and Grahma may or may not be there at 22.

I absolutely agree with everything in that post. But Berry can't possible get past Cleveland at 7, can he? I think the Pats can get playmakers in the 22-40 range. That's why I'd try to move down from 22 and try to get ammunition to move up from 44.

The guys I'd target as playmakers on Offense on that range - Best, Tate, D Thomas.
Defensively, I'm looking for a pass rusher like Hughes, Griffen, Kindle, Graham, maybe Odrick.

 

[bucky]

You want to trade dwon for Odrick or Graham. That is curious since the consensus is that Odrick will be long gone and Grahma may or may not be there at 22.

I'm just saying those are the guys I'd look at in the 22-40 range. I agree that both Odrick and Graham will probably be gone by 22. And Hughes may not last much longer than that.

 

[RayClay]

Someone like Suh or a pass rushing OLB, if ther is one, would be the only reason to trade up.

For those that want to trade up for a cornerback or safety, I have only one question.

Do you follow the team at all? Any awareness of personnel needs, current roster, recent signings?

 

[tombonneau]

Someone like Suh or a pass rushing OLB, if ther is one, would be the only reason to trade up.

For those that want to trade up for a cornerback or safety, I have only one question.

Do you follow the team at all? Any awareness of personnel needs, current roster, recent signings?

Yes, I've seen the team play once or twice. Obviously I'm not a scout such as yourself, but I have heard BB mention how in today's NFL your nickle back is really like a starter so you need to have five starting caliber DBs.

Pats have Bodden and (hopefully) a developing Butler at CB. At safety they have a good but overrated (Pro Bowl? Really?) Brandon Meriweather who has yet to to meet a bad angle he doesn't like, Sanders (marginal starter) and Chung, a second-rounder who has yet to play significant snaps on defense.

Berry would replace Sanders as a starter and Chung would be a nickle back. Again, I'm no scout, but talent and playmakers win in this league.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I'm just saying those are the guys I'd look at in the 22-40 range. I agree that both Odrick and Graham will probably be gone by 22. And Hughes may not last much longer than that.

This year we all going to surprised at who is still around at 22. Pro Football weekly mock has Joe Haden going at 19 an Odrick at 17; that is too close to not go after them. Graham is not even in round 1. All we need is someone bonehead team or two make a goof and one of those guys could drop to 22.

Unfortunately there is the sobering thought that top CBs ALWAYS go way ahead of where they are supposed to go. Look for Oakland to nab him at 8; Davis is totally obsessed with CBs (if Dez is gone).

 

[BradyFTW!]

Yes, I've seen the team play once or twice. Obviously I'm not a scout such as yourself, but I have heard BB mention how in today's NFL your nickle back is really like a starter so you need to have five starting caliber DBs.

Pats have Bodden and (hopefully) a developing Butler at CB. At safety they have a good but overrated (Pro Bowl? Really?) Brandon Meriweather who has yet to to meet a bad angle he doesn't like, Sanders (marginal starter) and Chung, a second-rounder who has yet to play significant snaps on defense.

Berry would replace Sanders as a starter and Chung would be a nickle back. Again, I'm no scout, but talent and playmakers win in this league.

Chung at nickle back? How does that work?

 

[TealSox]

Trade up for Suh?

Upside:

Just imagine Suh-Wilfork-Warren. Seymour who? Plays at a position that allows for longevity, less risk (in terms of bustability, i.e. WR, DE, QB, RB), and is clearly one of the best players in this draft (esp. for a 34 defense).

Downside:

What you paid to move up to the top of the draft just cost you your entire second round (sarcastically speaking). So say good by to Jerry Hughes, Brandon Spikes, McCluster, Gronkowski (sp), etc. And if Suh was to become one of the most infamous busts of all time, it could set the team back a year or two in terms of recovery.

Would I think about doing it if I were in Nick's shoes? Sure. No harm in thinking about it.

Would I pursue it? Not with much energy, but would do my job and place some calls to teams to see what is available and what isn't and for what price.

 

[WhoaDirty]

Someone like Suh or a pass rushing OLB, if ther is one, would be the only reason to trade up.

For those that want to trade up for a cornerback or safety, I have only one question.

Do you follow the team at all? Any awareness of personnel needs, current roster, recent signings?

Totally agree. I can understand taking Haden or Berry if they somehow fell to the Pats but trading up for one of them seems a little excessive. Right now the Pats have decent starters at the DB positions but are sorely lacking the same at the LB and DL positions.

 

[TealSox]

I think the real question is: which one player in the 2010 draft could have such an impact on the Patriots that it would be worth giving up a substantial number of picks to move up and get him?

Suh: Cost too much!

Berry: I have yet to see a safety that was highly regarded to much to transform a defense, let alone a secondary.

Bryant: Terry Glenn Jr? Actually not fair to Terry. I hate the primadonnas. Let the Cowboys and Redskins of the world have him.

Morgan: With JPP possibly going ahead of him, he could drop a few spots and would be worth a look. I just don't see how he would be an immediate impact, thus would not be worth giving up the farm for him.

Graham and Odrick... Not interested in the least to move up for either one, but if they happened to be at 22, great! And if they are gone, I'll be happy with Spoon man.