Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay

[KDPPatsfan85]

Per Twitter

DariusButler28 Hope we can keep my man Leigh around. Late Night work out then some much needed time with the Wife!

I replied back to him and told him to mention the Field Conditions at Relient Stadium

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

I hope it happens, but I have a bad feeling about his visit to the Texans.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

I hope it happens, but I have a bad feeling about his visit to the Texans.

I have a bad feeling about this visit also. We can always hope, but we better start looking to sign or trade for another CB to be paired with Butler.

 

[Warren94]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

he's good as gone. should of focused on him and faulk. Haden, Robinson, Wilson are available in the draft.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

They're in deep sh*t if he doesn't re-sign.

 

[Marqui]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

I can't imagine him leaving Huston without a contract, unfortunately.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

I can't imagine him leaving Huston without a contract, unfortunately.

Neither can he, apparently. In the other thread there's a link to a story in which he states his desire to "hopefully get a deal worked out and just move on with the Texans". Oh well.

 

[Warren94]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

IMO he feels disrespected. he had an opportunity to sign a long term deal last year and he didn't. if we don't resign him it's not the end of the world. Lots of quality CB's is this draft

 

[Mossed]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

How far do you guys think Haden would have to fall for us to want to trade up for him? His 4.6 helps.

 

[slash83]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

If bb screws up with bodden at that asking price he should get on his knees and beg for pioli to return.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

If bb screws up with bodden at that asking price he should get on his knees and beg for pioli to return.

How do you know that Bodden's asking price was what it is now when he was negotiating with Belichick? Maybe he thought he could get $9 million a year and has been hit with the reality after he broke off negotiations with the Pats that he was dreaming about how much he was worth?

Seriously, do people really think they are better negotiators than Belichick when it comes to dealing with players? I love these armchair GMs who think they are better GMs than a guy who has won three Super Bowls and been to four.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

IMO he feels disrespected. he had an opportunity to sign a long term deal last year and he didn't. if we don't resign him it's not the end of the world. Lots of quality CB's is this draft

My guess it is the case. Sounds like was looking for unrealistic numbers and the Pats weren't giving him that. He probably after being hit with the reality of the situation is too prideful to come back to the Pats and ask them to give him a deal of what the market will bear. Word was he was looking for $8 million a year and might have to settle for half that.

 

[Warren94]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

there is an above average amount of talent in the draft. Haden, Jackson, Wilson from Boise, Thompson from Cal

 

[SanAngeloState]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

It's all about bang for the buck. Bodden for 8M is not creating value. It's paying dearly for it. Sayonara Bodden!

I postd the below on the other thread but it's buried and no one will notice it so I thought I'd lend my considerable wisdom here:

BB drafted Wilhite (who I think is good he just needs to learn to LOOK for the ball) and Wheatley and Butler.

3 high picks in 2 years. That's enough, along with this year's pick and Springs.

He needs to be forced to dance with the gal that brung him. Or that technically he brung (drafted). Screw this paying 8M for FA CBs....WE NEED TO DEVELOP OUR OWN! Why hasn't he done that? HE's a master of defense. He developed Samuel, didn't he?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

First, I think everyone's estimates are way too high. I don't think the Patriots would have ever considered paying him $8M per year. I don't think Bodden realistically believes he's worth more than $5-6M. This guy is a solid player, but nowhere near the superstar that people are pretending he is. His run in Detroit isn't helping his value either; he may be viewed as a guy who only performs well if the conditions are perfect. In addition, he isn't the type of big-time playmaker that deserves top pay. I hate to tell you guys this, but Patriot or not, there are probably 5-6 guys like this on free agent market most years.

Price said today that Bodden's value has dropped by a lot on the market. Based on what I've read following the situation, which includes Bodden's sudden desire to sign with Houston, here is my unfounded guess:

Patriots tried to extend Bodden for around $4M per year during the season; Bodden wanted to test the free agent waters.

Patriots upped their offer on Saturday (since there were some articles about them working to get a deal done, and because teams were frantically trying to find skilled players) to around $5M; Bodden thought he would get a higher bidder

The "free agent frenzy" died down and market values have settled, with Bodden now worth below what the Patriots offered on Saturday

Bodden would probably sign now if we just offered him the same contract as before ($5M), but the Patriots, seeing the market, have now lowered their offer to around $4-4.5M again

Bodden is pissed and will probably sign with the Texans for whatever their best offer is, since they are really the only player besides the Patriots

I hope I'm wrong, but it would make sense considering the timeline. Players who express interest to re-sign and actually higher a new agent to negotiate with their team, then suddenly say they can't wait to get a deal with another team (before even visiting), usually are upset about something. The scenario that the Patriots have lowered their offer based on a falling market value would explain this situation well. It appeared they were close, and now his value has gone down, and now they are far apart.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

How do you know that Bodden's asking price was what it is now when he was negotiating with Belichick? Maybe he thought he could get $9 million a year and has been hit with the reality after he broke off negotiations with the Pats that he was dreaming about how much he was worth?

Seriously, do people really think they are better negotiators than Belichick when it comes to dealing with players? I love these armchair GMs who think they are better GMs than a guy who has won three Super Bowls and been to four.

I actually think Bodden didn't want to re-sign with the Pats before testing the market to get a feel for what he was worth. He said all the right things about loving NE and wanting to stay if possible, however I think he told the Pats he was interested in returning but wanted to test FA first. If I were in his position, I wouldn't re-sign with NE until seeing what some other CB starved teams offered me.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

Vince Wilfork just signed a contract worth $8M per year. That was a huge contract for a huge contributor, a very limited market commodity, and a proven pro-bowl caliber player. This deal took years of negotiations. Additionally, Wilfork is now the highest paid nose tackle in the NFL.

Anyone who is mumbling anything about $8M per year for Bodden is absolutely insane, and any team that comes close to paying him that should be ostracized from the league. What exactly has Bodden done to make everyone believe he is an elite player? I would rate Bodden "good" to "very good" and nowhere near the player that people seem to think he is. I like the guy and I think he's a dependable player, but I see Butler eclipsing in 2011, if not 2010. Bodden is between a #1 and #2 corner. Patriots fans are just used to washed up scrubs playing corner and getting burned all game. Now a guy comes in who doesn't make us all throw up, and we want to pay him like he's Vince Wilfork. I am by no means an expert, but message boards are for fans that find it fun to play GM. In that case, I'll have my fun. So, I'd rate his value at around $4M.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

Vince Wilfork just signed a contract worth $8M per year. That was a huge contract for a huge contributor, a very limited market commodity, and a proven pro-bowl caliber player. This deal took years of negotiations. Additionally, Wilfork is now the highest paid nose tackle in the NFL.

Anyone who is mumbling anything about $8M per year for Bodden is absolutely insane, and any team that comes close to paying him that should be ostracized from the league. What exactly has Bodden done to make everyone believe he is an elite player? I would rate Bodden "good" to "very good" and nowhere near the player that people seem to think he is. I like the guy and I think he's a dependable player, but I see Butler eclipsing in 2011, if not 2010. Bodden is between a #1 and #2 corner. Patriots fans are just used to washed up scrubs playing corner and getting burned all game. Now a guy comes in who doesn't make us all throw up, and we want to pay him like he's Vince Wilfork. I am by no means an expert, but message boards are for fans that find it fun to play GM. In that case, I'll have my fun. So, I'd rate his value at around $4M.

I agree that Bodden doesn't deserve $8M per, but CBs cost a lot of money. Just by playing a high-demand position, he commands a significant premium.

 

[SanAngeloState]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

UF once gave an offer to a player. He went home to think about it and then they heard he was visiting another team. So they PULLED THEIR OFFER!

That's what we need to do. We gave him an offer, he left town, OK, no offer, it's rescinded. What do you think about that, Bodden?

Comments?

 

[JMarr]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

Vince Wilfork just signed a contract worth $8M per year. That was a huge contract for a huge contributor, a very limited market commodity, and a proven pro-bowl caliber player. This deal took years of negotiations. Additionally, Wilfork is now the highest paid nose tackle in the NFL.

Anyone who is mumbling anything about $8M per year for Bodden is absolutely insane, and any team that comes close to paying him that should be ostracized from the league. What exactly has Bodden done to make everyone believe he is an elite player? I would rate Bodden "good" to "very good" and nowhere near the player that people seem to think he is. I like the guy and I think he's a dependable player, but I see Butler eclipsing in 2011, if not 2010. Bodden is between a #1 and #2 corner. Patriots fans are just used to washed up scrubs playing corner and getting burned all game. Now a guy comes in who doesn't make us all throw up, and we want to pay him like he's Vince Wilfork. I am by no means an expert, but message boards are for fans that find it fun to play GM. In that case, I'll have my fun. So, I'd rate his value at around $4M.

By elite, do you mean Revis/Asomugha? Then no.
But you're right, he is "good" to "very good." Sorry but "good" to "very good" corners have a really high value in this league.

Statistically, Bodden was one of the top 15-20 corners in the league last year. He's the top CB remaining in free agency, he knows our system, and he was rock solid in the secondary last year. When was the last time we had a CB who was as solid overall? Asante $60M Samuel? I think Bodden is a better overall player than Samuel. Some people underrate Bodden on this board for the very reason you mention--"hell, anything would look good after Deltha O'Neal, Fernando Bryant, and a couple of mediocre rookies--therefore Bodden can't be that good because he had such easy acts to follow."

Sign the man and pay the man [if he even really wants to be a Patriot]