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Please trade for Anquan Boldin or Greg Olsen...PLEASE :)

Olsen can't pass block to save his life but he is a lot better than anything on the roster right now.
 
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TBC was signed by the Patriots for 3 years....

Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Now, perhaps, people can take an inch or two back from the ledge. Don't step away or anything, but just sort of slide your feet back a bit.

oh yeah......this a real 'solution'
 
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oh yeah......this a real 'solution'

Did you seriously just trash the only 10 sack OLB the pats have had in awhile?
 
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My absolute highest would be at about 14-15 mil. Why? Because deals like that don't cripple teams like people think. Also look, I'm not going to dig through 50 million threads to find a post. I know you and you'll kick and scream until you think you're right. I have no interest in a back and forth all day on here I'm just throwing my 2 cents in. Go find someone else with to ***** at for 4 pages.

It's easy to claim that you'd have paid more after the fact, especially when you're looking to complain about how things went down. If you were willing to drop $14-$15 million on Peppers, perhaps you could point to your post saying that. I don't recall reading a single person that had posted in favor of dropping that kind of coin on Peppers, so you'd be the first I could see. I didn't read every thread, by any stretch of the imagination, so I'd love to find a thread where people were dropping that high a salary level around for Peppers, and giving it the "OK", because it would be an interesting window into posters' thought processes.
 
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oh yeah......this a real 'solution'

March 5th, RE... LAX.

There is no single solution, the entire FA period and draft will be used to better the team. Quit the knee-jerk sky-is-falling stuff just because a FA that you may have wanted wasn't signed.
 
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This is where the optimists, pesimits and realists will all clash I see.

Are you telling me this defense right now has what it takes to get it done? Are you telling me it's OK because a draft is coming up, (which we don't even know who Bill actually wants to pick. Imagine if we don't pick up a DE or OLB, than what?) Will the same people come here posting perspective threads, trying to bring up the past 10 years to make us feel better? Telling us we're fine and BB knows best?

Peppers is the only piece you add that you KNOW will make the pass rush instantly better in 2010. The fact that the Pats wanted Peppers alone tells you they felt they needed him, they just didn't value him as much as other teams. The NFL salary cap is growing every year to where 2 years from now, Peppers will be getting what any other good DE/OLB is getting. Remember the salary has nearly jumped up a hundred mill. from our last super bowl win.

I just think when you need a guy, you make the move. I'm not saying we get Peppers for 16 mi. a year. But an offer like this the Pats could have tried to top by a mill or so. But hey, we don't need him cuz our pass rush is awesome.

This is where you and I clash.

You see, we have a big need on the football field right now, and that's a pass rusher. We both agree on that. We probably both agree that Julius Peppers would help the Patriots at that position. He may even make them one of the league's strongest teams, although neither of us can be sure of that.

Now, is Julius Peppers going to play for us for free? No. We both agree on that. Would be pay $1M per year. Yes. Would we pay $30M per year? No. So I think we can both agree that we would both like to see the Patriots sign him, but only if a fair deal can be reached, one that makes sense for us so that we can field a competitive team.

So, 31 teams including the Patriots, Steelers, Colts and Eagles, mind you the four most successful teams of the decade, thought the price needed to sign Peppers was too high and would ultimately not result in a better football product. Only the Bears thought that he was worth the money they paid him. You know what, you're telling me that the Bears made the right decision, but also that we should have offered more than the Bears. Whatever it takes, right? That's where we differ.

As Patriot fans, we've been spoiled by rarely having huge deficiencies on our football team. What you're telling me, is that since we now have a problem, the best decision is to fill that need by paying more for a player than any other team. Despite watching teams like the Redskins consistently fail with this approach, you think we should adopt it, win the media praise for a week, and then deal with the reality later? Through poor drafting, injuries, and weak player development, we find ourselves in a pickle. And arguably, the complete failure from our last "big name free agent", Adalius Thomas, has compounded the matter further, and now limits the amount of money we have to improve. Do you not see this? The way out of this pickle is where we differ. I think the way out is to continue to try and find value on the market and draft players that will fit our system. This system, mind you, was the key ingredient to eight combined Super Bowl appearances for the Pats, Colts, and Steelers in the last decade.

If we can't draft well and develop players, we can't win. It's that simple, and it's the closest thing you will find to a natural law of the NFL. But trying to overcompensate for poor drafting by making unwise decisions and feeling good for ten minutes in the glory of a "big signing" will just prolong our rebuilding schedule. We will not have a deficiency; rather, we will have lots of deficiencies. All of our money will be gone, tied up in Julius Peppers type of players. If we want to win on the field, we need stick to what's smart. If we want to win in the headlines and anticipation, we should have signed Peppers.
 
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oh yeah......this a real 'solution'

who else is out there tanked? at least he knows and thrives in our system.
 
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The salary cap does NOT always jump up as much as it has the past few years and teams still are handicapped by bad contracts even with that. The Patriots strategy is proven more successful than any other franchise in the NFL.

I never said Wilfork would ask for the same amount, but if you break your value model for a player because you get "desperate" like a fan and make a knee-jerk decision you lose leverage in other contract talks. Not only that but you can make that same sort of "overpay exception" in many areas every year and then you get into a heavily loaded top roster with no room to pay for the ever important middle roster and depth. You get far too much risk with little fallback plan and it's the surefire way to destroy a team and go against the Patriots mission statement of being competitive EVERY single year.

Right. Is that why the Skins continue to be able to make move after move? Yes I know they suck, but it's not because of how they spend but what they do with it. The Pats can afford 2 big contracts, because I bet those 2 guys would be the most important pat of the offense/defense. But I see where this is going. A good amount of you guys are brain washed into this "patriots way". It'll be fun being competitive 5 years from now but lacking a QB to take us over the hump. Just keep thinking about the future while Brady gets older and older.
 
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Right. Is that why the Skins continue to be able to make move after move?

How can you start off with this to argue the Patriots should dish out an arm and a leg for a top free agent. That model is proven to not work, as you just pointed out with the skins.

They continuously dish out money for top-end talent and continuously suck because they are so top-heavy with no room to spend in the middle. Yet you want to follow their model over the Patriots proven model that has produced the team of the decade after starting in a situation with quite a few bad top-end talent contracts.

The Patriots ownership, front office and entire franchise extends beyond Tom Brady. You do NOT handicap your future just because you have a HOF QB. That goes against the mission statement which is EVERY YEAR not just years that Brady is playing.
 
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Right. Is that why the Skins continue to be able to make move after move? Yes I know they suck, but it's not because of how they spend but what they do with it. The Pats can afford 2 big contracts, because I bet those 2 guys would be the most important pat of the offense/defense. But I see where this is going. A good amount of you guys are brain washed into this "patriots way". It'll be fun being competitive 5 years from now but lacking a QB to take us over the hump. Just keep thinking about the future while Brady gets older and older.

I'm glad you're already throwing in the towel after the first half-day of FA.

Perhaps you can spare the rest of us, take a respite, and return sometime prior to the draft?
 
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This is where you and I clash.

You see, we have a big need on the football field right now, and that's a pass rusher. We both agree on that. We probably both agree that Julius Peppers would help the Patriots at that position. He may even make them one of the league's strongest teams, although neither of us can be sure of that.

Now, is Julius Peppers going to play for us for free? No. We both agree on that. Would be pay $1M per year. Yes. Would we pay $30M per year? No. So I think we can both agree that we would both like to see the Patriots sign him, but only if a fair deal can be reached, one that makes sense for us so that we can field a competitive team.

So, 31 teams including the Patriots, Steelers, Colts and Eagles, mind you the four most successful teams of the decade, thought the price needed to sign Peppers was too high and would ultimately not result in a better football product. Only the Bears thought that he was worth the money they paid him. You know what, you're telling me that the Bears made the right decision, but also that we should have offered more than the Bears. Whatever it takes, right? That's where we differ.

As Patriot fans, we've been spoiled by rarely having huge deficiencies on our football team. What you're telling me, is that since we now have a problem, the best decision is to fill that need by paying more for a player than any other team. Despite watching teams like the Redskins consistently fail with this approach, you think we should adopt it, win the media praise for a week, and then deal with the reality later? Through poor drafting, injuries, and weak player development, we find ourselves in a pickle. And arguably, the complete failure from our last "big name free agent", Adalius Thomas, has compounded the matter further, and now limits the amount of money we have to improve. Do you not see this? The way out of this pickle is where we differ. I think the way out is to continue to try and find value on the market and draft players that will fit our system. This system, mind you, was the key ingredient to eight combined Super Bowl appearances for the Pats, Colts, and Steelers in the last decade.

If we can't draft well and develop players, we can't win. It's that simple, and it's the closest thing you will find to a natural law of the NFL. But trying to overcompensate for poor drafting by making unwise decisions and feeling good for ten minutes in the glory of a "big signing" will just prolong our rebuilding schedule. We will not have a deficiency; rather, we will have lots of deficiencies. All of our money will be gone, tied up in Julius Peppers type of players. If we want to win on the field, we need stick to what's smart. If we want to win in the headlines and anticipation, we should have signed Peppers.


Funny, that whole strategy almost netted us a perfect season in 07 if Asante doesn't drop a pick...

I'm sorry, but no Adalius isn't limiting us from getting Peppers. If we cut the man today the team would be fine. We're not tight in cap room even. I think it's pretty simply to comprehend how old Brady is and that we need to win now . It's not promised Brady will still be here wanting to play 4 years from now.

Also, spare me the other teams. Philly was limited probably because of that stupid contract they gave Samuel, even they pay to get their guy even if their wrong. And Pittsburgh never makes a splash in FA. the Colts have no cap room because they have MULTIPLE big deals right now. One big deal and you folks act like this team would be done.
 
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I'm glad you're already throwing in the towel after the first half-day of FA.

Perhaps you can spare the rest of us, take a respite, and return sometime prior to the draft?


Jack

Bionic Patroit just wants to be recognized as today's ******.

Let her have a moment of glory.
 
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I'm glad you're already throwing in the towel after the first half-day of FA.

Perhaps you can spare the rest of us, take a respite, and return sometime prior to the draft?

How about you spare me with your ridiculous rose colored glasses. Do you have to read my posts? No.
 
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Did you seriously just trash the only 10 sack OLB the pats have had in awhile?

you mean since 2007 when vrabel had 12.5?

good value, but he's not a 3-down player.........
 
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Funny, that whole strategy almost netted us a perfect season in 07 if Asante doesn't drop a pick...

The Patriots strategy has never changed, what are you talking about.[/QUOTE]
 
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TBC was signed by the Patriots for 3 years....

Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Now, perhaps, people can take an inch or two back from the ledge. Don't step away or anything, but just sort of slide your feet back a bit.

I'm sorry, were people worried about losing this guy? I heard no one running the mention TBC's name, if so please point out all the posts.
 
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How about you spare me with your ridiculous rose colored glasses. Do you have to read my posts? No.

I don't have rose-colored glasses. I do, however, have more patience than a caffeine-addled middle schooler.
 
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The Patriots strategy has never changed, what are you talking about.

I never said it did. What I said is for one year we went nuts after everybody, spent alotta dough and said screw the draft. That turned out pretty well and didn't have much long term damage did it? If Samuel catches the ball no one is complaining about how the Pats draft. I'm just saying this offseason, this was where our investments could have went to with enough room for extra moves. It didn't, I don't agree with it but we'll find out.

The same people year after year make the same excuses, and we witness the same results.
 
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IT'S OVER !!!

The Bears and Julius Peppers finalized a six-year deal to bring the top free agent in 2010 to Chicago, according to a source. Peppers was looking for at least $12 million a year in the early part of the contract and agreement could be worth $40 million over the first three years. The 6-foot-7, 283-pound Peppers is a five-time Pro Bowler who recorded 10.5 sacks with two interceptions and five forced fumbles last season.


Pats put out a bogus, public-saving, low ball offer just to say they put a bid on him to save face with the public.............I'm not buying it........

OH WE RE-UPPED TBC..........YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! NOW LET'S LOCK UP PIERRE WOODS LONG TERM AND MY OFF-SEASON WILL BE MADE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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