WR Kevin Walter - fits well on the Patriots IMO

[IcyPatriot]

Wondering if anyone here thinks Bill takes a run at Walter. He's 6'3" / 215 Lbs. He's good underneath and he can go deep. He has good hands and most of all the guy can block and that is an integral part of our passing game. He runs precise routes and I think he'll fit in quickly with Brady and our passing scheme.

I think he fits in great as a #2 here and also he's good enough to give Moss a rest for a series here and there and be the #1. I think we need someone who can take the play load off of Moss this year so he's healthier through the season. Also Walter will go over the middle which is something we need now with Welker out of action.

I don't think we can continue to use Randy as both a decoy and deep threat for as many plays as the last 2 years. I think a 4/5 receiver set of Moss, Walter, Tate / Welker and Edelman will be very formidable. We can draft a receiver and keep Aiken around also to round it out.

Would $2.5 > $3.0 million get it done???

 

[bigfandan]

He would be a solid pick up for #3. 60 receiptions/yr is perfect for the #3 receiver.

Ideally we want to target a stronger #2, Marshall or Boldin would be perfect.

 

[BelichickFan]

He would be a solid pick up for #3. 60 receiptions/yr is perfect for the #3 receiver.

Ideally we want to target a stronger #2, Marshall or Boldin would be perfect.

He would be our #3 when Welker is back to close to 100%. Assigning the slot guy as "the #3" doesn't work for us. We need a guy who's better than Gaffney as Welker will be working his way back and Moss is getting older.

 

[IcyPatriot]

He would be a solid pick up for #3. 60 receiptions/yr is perfect for the #3 receiver.

Ideally we want to target a stronger #2, Marshall or Boldin would be perfect.

I don't think we have the money to sign 2 of them. We already have a #2 in Welker in terms of salary. Belichick will not overload a position on the team in terms of salary. As long as we're paying Welker and Moss I don't believe we make a monetary splash on that unit. That's why i think Walter would be a great fit. He could be a #2 here until Welker returns and who knows ... Tate my end up being the #2 while waiting for Welker.

Moss and Welker are almost $14 million on the cap.

Aiken, Edleman and Tate makes it $16 million for the 5, I think Bill operates the team just as if there was a cap.

I don't see Bill going over $19 million for the receiver unit ... $20 million tops but a fantasy.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I think Walter would be great here, please BB, make it happen.

 

[PatFan1932]

Actually they could over pay the position this year (if uncapped) and they are expected to let Moss walk or come back next year (2011) with a much lower contract.
In doing so (with Welker out maybe the year) you have four solid guys in Elderman, Moss, and two signings... Walter and Boldin.
Then in 2011 you have Welker, Elderman, Walter, Boldin

 

[VJCPatriot]

Walter would be a fine addition and he costs no draft picks if I'm not mistaken. Sounds like the kind of solid mid price veteran that BB likes to add. I hope we get Walter or someone of his quality then acquire a young WR through the draft. That should be more than enough.

 

[bucky]

I like Walter, but I think it might make more sense to get a guy who can get deep. Chambers would be a good guy to bring in. I'd actually be up for getting both Walter and Chambers.

In terms of cost, if Walter end up costing as much as Gaffney, I'd say we goofed because I'd rather have Gaffney.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't think we have the money to sign 2 of them. We already have a #2 in Welker in terms of salary. Belichick will not overload a position on the team in terms of salary. As long as we're paying Welker and Moss I don't believe we make a monetary splash on that unit. That's why i think Walter would be a great fit. He could be a #2 here until Welker returns and who knows ... Tate my end up being the #2 while waiting for Welker.

Moss and Welker are almost $14 million on the cap.

Aiken, Edleman and Tate makes it $16 million for the 5, I think Bill operates the team just as if there was a cap.

I don't see Bill going over $19 million for the receiver unit ... $20 million tops but a fantasy.

Why are you talking cap in an uncapped year. Moss may not even be here in 2011. It sounds like he won't.

Bill will not operate this team like a capped year. He will operate this team with a self imposed cap and an eye towards a cap in the future. That means players like Moss who have a high current year salary and cap hit (if there was a cap) and in the last year of his deal and questionable of whether he will be resigned next year will not factor into the equation.

Personally, I think it is premature to predict what the Pats will do in an uncapped year. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Peppers was a Patriot this time tomorrow and they signed Walter too. I would also not be shocked if all the Pats do is pick up value veterans like they did last offseason (Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, etc.).

 

[Patjew]

Why are you talking cap in an uncapped year. Moss may not even be here in 2011. It sounds like he won't.

Bill will not operate this team like a capped year. He will operate this team with a self imposed cap and an eye towards a cap in the future. That means players like Moss who have a high current year salary and cap hit (if there was a cap) and in the last year of his deal and questionable of whether he will be resigned next year will not factor into the equation.

Personally, I think it is premature to predict what the Pats will do in an uncapped year. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Peppers was a Patriot this time tomorrow and they signed Walter too. I would also not be shocked if all the Pats do is pick up value veterans like they did last offseason (Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, etc.).

That's what I've been saying. Sign everyone.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Why are you talking cap in an uncapped year. Moss may not even be here in 2011. It sounds like he won't.

Bill will not operate this team like a capped year. He will operate this team with a self imposed cap and an eye towards a cap in the future. That means players like Moss who have a high current year salary and cap hit (if there was a cap) and in the last year of his deal and questionable of whether he will be resigned next year will not factor into the equation.

Personally, I think it is premature to predict what the Pats will do in an uncapped year. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Peppers was a Patriot this time tomorrow and they signed Walter too. I would also not be shocked if all the Pats do is pick up value veterans like they did last offseason (Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, etc.).

yeah.....uncapped is still capped.....except for maybe the jets who will try to throw out all stops to win it all this year.......again

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Why are you talking cap in an uncapped year. Moss may not even be here in 2011. It sounds like he won't.

Bill will not operate this team like a capped year. He will operate this team with a self imposed cap and an eye towards a cap in the future. That means players like Moss who have a high current year salary and cap hit (if there was a cap) and in the last year of his deal and questionable of whether he will be resigned next year will not factor into the equation.

Personally, I think it is premature to predict what the Pats will do in an uncapped year. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Peppers was a Patriot this time tomorrow and they signed Walter too. I would also not be shocked if all the Pats do is pick up value veterans like they did last offseason (Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, etc.).

Until Wilfork is locked up long term I'm hard pressed to think Peppers, and that's without even wondering what BB has in his tool kit to think he can keep him motivated. I'm ambivalent about Walter, preferring to find a possession kid in the draft. Chambers? And people complain about Aiken dropping passes.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

after walter, the pats can go out and get mike furrey, kevin curtis, brian finneran, and brandon stokley

 

[Rob0729]

Until Wilfork is locked up long term I'm hard pressed to think Peppers, and that's without even wondering what BB has in his tool kit to think he can keep him motivated. I'm ambivalent about Walter, preferring to find a possession kid in the draft. Chambers? And people complain about Aiken dropping passes.

First a deal may already be done with Wilfork. It would be impossible for Wilfork to sign it before midnight tonight because of the 2009 salary cap.

Second, I think it is BS with the notion that the Pats can't sign another high priced free agent until Wilfork is signed. What if Belichick thinks Peppers can be the second coming of Lawrence Taylor in the Pats defense (and what if he is right)? Do they pass on a game changing dominant pass rusher in a pass happy league just not to piss off Wilfork? Say it was DeMarcus Ware instead of Peppers. Would you pass on signing Ware because Wilfork isn't signed? We don't know how much Belichick values Peppers (if he really does at all). If he thinks he is a gamechanger and a must have, Wilfork is irrelevant to the discussion.

The Pats value Wilfork, but they cannot tank the rest of the team needs because they are worried about the Wilfork negotiations. In today's NFL, an OLB who can get 15 plus sacks is more important than a run stuffing NT. Who knows if Peppers is that guy, but he might be.

 

[signbabybrady]

Why are you talking cap in an uncapped year. Moss may not even be here in 2011. It sounds like he won't.

Bill will not operate this team like a capped year. He will operate this team with a self imposed cap and an eye towards a cap in the future. That means players like Moss who have a high current year salary and cap hit (if there was a cap) and in the last year of his deal and questionable of whether he will be resigned next year will not factor into the equation.

Personally, I think it is premature to predict what the Pats will do in an uncapped year. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Peppers was a Patriot this time tomorrow and they signed Walter too. I would also not be shocked if all the Pats do is pick up value veterans like they did last offseason (Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, etc.).

IMO a self imposed cap would likely be smaller than last years cap. The owners are trying to get control of player salaries and to take a few percentage points back in their pocket and thus making the cap lower. Whether they get their way or not still remains to be seen.

But likely with this in mind a self imposed cap would be less than last years cap to be prepared. Good news is I heard we are like 30 mil or so under what last years cap was.

Basically if next years cap is going to be less than last years cap why would you spend more this year than last? Sure you could front load and take advantage but why would ownership want to give away money it doesn't have too when the following year is just going to have to be accounted for?

Kraft has spent to the cap each of the last few years but he has given out few long term deals in order to set himself up for when this is resolved and now when the resolution is so close why would he all the sudden blow it up because of uncap?

IMO the day the CBA gets settled will be a great day for us because Kraft has been setting the team up for this and they are in great shape to spend once it is resolved. Anyone who goes crazy this year depending on whether the owners get their way or not could be cutting cap next year. Kraft is ready either way, if the owners get their way he is in good shape and if the cap doesn't go down then even more to spend.

 

[Patjew]

I think what it comes down to is if Kraft is willing to spend the money it takes to make the team a strong Super Bowl contender this year, or if it's business first. I think we'll learn alot about this team's priorities this year. I'm really not sure where they lay.

That may be surprising to hear from me, but you know...

 

[tanked_as_usual]

I think what it comes down to is if Kraft is willing to spend the money it takes to make the team a strong Super Bowl contender this year, or if it's business first. I think we'll learn alot about this team's priorities this year. I'm really not sure where they lay.

That may be surprising to hear from me, but you know...

it is a somewhat unusual year to make large long-term commitments......the wrong moves now could prevent you from making needed decisions 3 years down the road

 

[Rob0729]

IMO a self imposed cap would likely be smaller than last years cap. The owners are trying to get control of player salaries and to take a few percentage points back in their pocket and thus making the cap lower. Whether they get their way or not still remains to be seen.

But likely with this in mind a self imposed cap would be less than last years cap to be prepared. Good news is I heard we are like 30 mil or so under what last years cap was.

Basically if next years cap is going to be less than last years cap why would you spend more this year than last? Sure you could front load and take advantage but why would ownership want to give away money it doesn't have too when the following year is just going to have to be accounted for?

Kraft has spent to the cap each of the last few years but he has given out few long term deals in order to set himself up for when this is resolved and now when the resolution is so close why would he all the sudden blow it up because of uncap?

IMO the day the CBA gets settled will be a great day for us because Kraft has been setting the team up for this and they are in great shape to spend once it is resolved. Anyone who goes crazy this year depending on whether the owners get their way or not could be cutting cap next year. Kraft is ready either way, if the owners get their way he is in good shape and if the cap doesn't go down then even more to spend.

The odds are that the cap will never shrink, but the growth will slow. Besides, (eventhough Miguel took down his future cap hits page) the Pats only have $50-60 million cap hit in 2011 right now.

Right now, the Pats have about $65 million in real dollars and about $100 million in cap dollars for 2010. Both are very low for them as far as payroll and if there was a cap. Next year they will even have more flexibility with big contracts like Moss, Light, Wilfork, and Brady off of the books (although Brady and Wilfork look to be resigned at a higher price and Moss and Light might be back at lower price tags).

Personally, I think an uncapped year is very beneficial to the Pats. They have a lot of money, a lot of room to spend to even get close to their usual spending and if there was actually a cap, and a very good capologist in Floyd Reese.

 

[Rob0729]

I think what it comes down to is if Kraft is willing to spend the money it takes to make the team a strong Super Bowl contender this year, or if it's business first. I think we'll learn alot about this team's priorities this year. I'm really not sure where they lay.

That may be surprising to hear from me, but you know...

First, I think a lot of teams will be approaching this offseason with an internal cap and cautiousness.

Second, I think Kraft will do what is best for the team. That means both trying to field a championship caliber team without destroying the team for the future. They are still what would be a Red Sox type of team financially. There are only two teams that make more money than the Pats. Plus the Pats have a lot of room to go to equal their low end payroll for the year.

I don't expect Kraft to turn into Daniel Snyder, but he also won't be one of the owners who closes his wallet and decides to shed payroll to take advantage of no cap floor.

 

[Kontradiction]

Now that I look at my posts objectively over this offseason, I'm finding that I would prefer almost any free agent WR over what we have now.