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Well ... we don't have to worry about losing him ... so let's keep him. :rolleyes:
 
Why do you think that is?

Belichick talked about this a while back. He's not as focused on distance as so many posters here seem to be. If you take a look at the returns:

2009: 20
2008: 11
2007: 14

you see where the Belichick focus seems to be. As I recall, Belichick said something along the lines of being willing to give up yards in order to increase hang time to help in coverage. I doubt the raw number net from the past season is acceptable to the team, and the number returned certainly spiked up a bit, but I'd guess that the team would look further into the numbers to see if they really tell the whole story. A lot of kicks around midfield will result in a lower average, for example, so I'd expect the team to do a thorough analysis before making a move at the position.

I just don't think BB is looking at the position in the same way that most people do.
 
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Belichick talked about this a while back. He's not as focused on distance as so many posters here seem to be. If you take a look at the returns:

2009: 20
2008: 11
2007: 14

you see where the Belichick focus seems to be. As I recall, Belichick said something along the lines of being willing to give up yards in order to increase hang time to help in coverage. I doubt the raw number net from the past season is acceptable to the team, and the number returned certainly spiked up a bit, but I'd guess that the team would look further into the numbers to see if they really tell the whole story. A lot of kicks around midfield will result in a lower average, for example, so I'd expect the team to do a thorough analysis before making a move at the position.

I just don't think BB is looking at the position in the same way that most people do.

Well when you put it like that...

...it seems perfectly reasonable. Thanks.
 
Well when you put it like that...

...it seems perfectly reasonable. Thanks.

My pleasure. BOR probably has that interview filed, indexed and committed to memory, so you might want to ask him about it. He can probably give you a more detailed and accurate account.
 
If I could bring back one thing from the 80's...

Mr. Rich Camarillo - greatest punter in SB history.
 
2-3 times probably in the beging of season he could pin it nicley between the 15-5.


98.6% his punts generally are either a touchback or useless






obviously i'm exaggerating....



at BEST a middle fiddle punter. At BEST :(
 
Well, whatever Hanson brought to the table, BB liked it enough that he dumped Danny Baugher like a hot potato.
 
The UFA of the team that is flying under the radar.

Is he worth keeping?

Personally I would look elsewhere,its not the hardest position to fill and the Pats have a lot of other signing needs to take care of first.

Sign Sam Koch. Say goodbye to Hanson. BTW how did that Morstead guy look pulling off that huge onside kick for the Saints? Punters are always underrated until they pull off a key play that makes you remember why teams have punters. I would have loved to have drafted Morstead with our late 4th but the Saints won the SB with him so I think it was just destiny. Hanson is one of the worst punters in the league statwise, let's move on PLEASE. Give me a guy with the leg of a Scifres, and we're talking about MAJOR field position advantage!
 
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The UFA of the team that is flying under the radar.

Is he worth keeping?

Personally I would look elsewhere,its not the hardest position to fill and the Pats have a lot of other signing needs to take care of first.
I think it is a hard position to fill when you have a good one, which is not a "burden" the Patriots have. They should not have any trouble upgrading.
 
Sign Sam Koch. Say goodbye to Hanson. BTW how did that Morstead guy look pulling off that huge onside kick for the Saints? Punters are always underrated until they pull off a key play that makes you remember why teams have punters. I would have loved to have drafted Morstead with our late 4th but the Saints won the SB with him so I think it was just destiny. Hanson is one of the worst punters in the league statwise, let's move on PLEASE. Give me a guy with the leg of a Scifres, and we're talking about MAJOR field position advantage!

Agreed. I never understood why you wouldn't just want a punter like Scifres with a bomb of leg. Even if he can't get the optimal amount of hangtime for coverage to get down there, just kick the ball out of bounds. These guys practice so much trying to pin it inside the 20 and such, why couldn't you practice aiming towards the sidelines? Imagine having a guy like Scifres or Lechler who can absolutely bomb it like 70 yards and have the ball land out of bounds. It eliminates the concern about coverage getting there and it takes away the threat of a Reggie Bush, Leon Washington, Devin Hester, etc while giving you a huge advantage in the field position game.
 
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So the "best" punter is on Oakland and he had 63 punts returned (most).

The "worst" punter was on NE and he had 20 punts returned (least).

Mmmm.....
 
So the "best" punter is on Oakland and he had 63 punts returned (most).

The "worst" punter was on NE and he had 20 punts returned (least).

Punt returners have one hell of a lobby.
 
I'd prefer he stick to finding perverts.
 
So the "best" punter is on Oakland and he had 63 punts returned (most).

The "worst" punter was on NE and he had 20 punts returned (least).

Mmmm.....

You're definitely not looking at the whole picture if you're looking at punts returned ALONE. Did you also happen to notice that New England also punts the LEAST outside of any team not from Denver or San Diego? Hanson only had to punt the ball 56 times ALL SEASON. It's not a big mystery why he had fewer kicks returned! The Patriots had the 3rd lowest punting total out of 32 teams in the NFL!! You can just blame Brady and Welker for all those damn 3rd down conversions that extend drives and keeps the punter off the field. ;)

Other factors to look at - Touchbacks. By definition, they can't be returned, but they aren't good either, particularly if you're trying to pin them inside the 20.

And Net Yardage is still a useful stat to look at for the following reason - Net Yardage automatically subtracts the yardage that the returner accrued. So a guy like Lechler who had an Avg punt of 51.1 and a Net of 43.9 means that on average the ball was only returned 7.2 yards per punt. Since the official hang time per punt is not recorded, the return yardage allowed is basically our second biggest indicator of having a good punter.

Lechler only allowed 7.3 yard average return. Hanson on the other hand allowed a 9.0 average return. Matt Turk may be the most Underrated punter in the league with his measly 4.3 avg return per punt. He may not kick the ball as far as other guys, but it doesn't get returned as far either!

2009 NFL Player Punting Stats - National Football League - ESPN

So let's say that Inside the 20 is the result we like. Its one of the best results you can get. Fair catches are good too, however we don't know how many fair catches were ALSO inside the 20. Adding them both together would create inaccuracies so let's just focus on inside the 20. Touchbacks, we'll consider as shanks so we'll subtract them from punt totals. Whats the percentage of touchbacks on good punts? I'll call this good corner punt percentage or GCP for short.

Inside 20/Punt attempts - Touchbacks = Good Corner Punt Percantage or GCP
Average Return given up = AR

1. Shane Lechler AR = 7.3 GCP = 35.7%
2. Donnie Jones AR = 6.3 GCP = 42.5%
3. Dustin Colquitt AR = 7.1 GCP = 45.5%
4. Andy Lee AR = 8.7 GCP = 33%
5. Ben Graham AR = 10.5 GCP = 50.6%
6. Brian Moorman AR = 7.7 GCP = 31.3%
7. Mat McBriar AR = 8.3 GCP = 55.1%
8. Brandon Fields AR = 8.6 GCP = 36.2%
9. Matt Turk AR = 4.3 GCP = 39.3%
10. Mike Scifres AR = 11.5 GCP = 46%

32. Chris Hanson AR = 9.0 GCP = 35.2%

The number ranking, is the ranking by net yardage. Hanson has the lowest net yardage of any punter in the national football league. This is a fact. This is probably more a function of leg strength than anything else, though accuracy also factors. Shanked punts will obviously lead to overall lower net yardage.

Now the good corner punt percentage is interesting. Note that in the top 10, there appeared to be some punters that were significantly better at getting inside the 20 results without touchbacks than others. McBriar tops the charts at 55.1% followed by Ben Graham at 50.6% and Scifres comes in 3rd with 46%. On the other hand, there are also 2 punters in the top 10 with a lower GCP than Chris Hanson.

Does this make him a top 10 punter? Not when you also account for Net Yardage (#32 dead last), Average Return (#22), Total Touchbacks (Tied for #20 with 5 even though he punted the third LEAST of all punters in the NFL!).

Plus I didn't take the time to calculate the GCP of all the remaining other punters in the NFL. But if the top 10 sample is any indicator, the Elite punters in the NFL will usually have a GCP around 45% or higher and the mediocre ones will probably have a GCP around 35% or lower.

All of this to say - Hanson is a mediocre to poor punter at best. Let's try to get somebody a little better for 2010! Eh, BB? Are you listening? :D
 
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BB definitely likes directional punters or placement punters. I think the guy seems to usually come up with the kind of punt called for, even if the stats didn't add up this year.

I didn't notice any Ken Walter shanks out there, but do remember a couple 50+ punts right when we needed them. I'm not doing the math, but 20 returns is low no matter what the amount of punts. It just seems to me he tries to get the kind of punt the coach is looking for.

I'm getting to be less and less concerned with taking totals of anything and getting the average. It seems to me consistent or appropriate performances are apparent at the time and don't change because they are averaged later. Seems like a lot of garbage time or irrelevant stats get averaged in. When you're watching the game, you pretty much know what you're seeing. I don't recall wincing at shanks like I did with Walter.

Lots of fair catches and some near the goal line that didn't get covered. Could he have done better, I suppose. Was he doing what BB wanted? Seems like it.
 
Maybe Al Davis would be willing to give up this years number 1 for Chris Hanson?



we should call at least!!!


:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
Worst ( statistically ) punter in the league. Move on.


Based on what? Net Yardage? Yeah.. But does net yardage tell the WHOLE story? Nope. It doesn't. You have to look at the entire thing which includes number of returns, touch backs, fair catches, and return yardage..
 
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