Dansby does not see Pats as a destination

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Although I would never bet a single penny on it, I wouldn't be totally shocked if both players came here. It is a definite long shot (somewhere under 5% of a chance), but Belichick's history is when this team starts to show weaknesses that affects them in the win/loss column he is agressive to fix (rebuilding the secondary in 2003 or rebuilding the WR corp and getting a LB to cover TEs in 2007).

And before I get flamed, I am not predicting it will happen and I believe it probably won't, but it wouldn't shock me if it did happen.

I do agree that based on what each player will probably command vs. similiar players for their respected positions I think Peppers will be cheaper. Yes, he will probably make more money, but that is because 3-4 OLBs/4-3 DEs get paid a lot more than MLB/ILBs. But compared to other players ate their relative positions, Dansby might end up being the highest paid player at his position. Peppers probably won't and might not be in the top 5 or even top 10 because of his age and reputation of slacking at times.

IMO if you are looking for a 'daily double' to help this team,A better chance of two high profile players coming here in one lump time would be Donte Stallworth and Deion Branch before I would expect both Dansby and Peppers and when the CBA is back how bad would that hurt this team if both Karlos and Julius both were signed at high numbers?.

 

[BradyFTW!]

still not ruling him out, and I would be absolutely ecstatic if we somehow landed Dansby. He's exactly what we need opposite Mayo.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

which of those teams knew they were on the list?

the redskins......because every high priced guy is on their list
the giants.......because they just dumped pierce

the other teams are wondering ????

 

[WelshPat]

Someone needs to explain to me why ILB is such a big need

Mayo, Guyten, Mckenzie, sure Mckenzie is unknown, but he was rated fairly highly in the scouting reports.

Im all for bringing a guy, but exactly that, A GUY, we have to have faith that Mayo is our beast ILB.

 

[Kontradiction]

Someone needs to explain to me why ILB is such a big need

Mayo, Guyten, Mckenzie, sure Mckenzie is unknown, but he was rated fairly highly in the scouting reports.

Im all for bringing a guy, but exactly that, A GUY, we have to have faith that Mayo is our beast ILB.

Because Guyton isn't really a good fit as a 3-4 ILB and McKenzie, well the only thing we know about him is that he got injured last season. Bringing in a guy like Dansby for a couple of years until we actually know what we have in McKenzie is a pretty good idea, IMO.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Someone needs to explain to me why ILB is such a big need

Mayo, Guyten, Mckenzie, sure Mckenzie is unknown, but he was rated fairly highly in the scouting reports.

Im all for bringing a guy, but exactly that, A GUY, we have to have faith that Mayo is our beast ILB.

Mayo is not a physical ILB and we will continue to see mediocre play out of him unless he becomes more of a roamer and have a guy such as Rolando Mclain or Dansby doing the dirty work.

Before the Mayo defenders come out and blast me, I think Mayo is a good player but he is obviously playing out of position at SILB. He's not a "clean up" LB like Bart Scott or other LB's that can blow plays up either in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage. I know it's hard for people to accept it, but the majority of Mayo's tackles are about 5 or more yards down field after the damage is already done. You rarely see him bust through blockers and tackle players for little gains. Unless somebody has the stats to prove me wrong, I haven't seen this from him.

If the Pats enter next season with Mayo as their SILB and Guyton or McKenzie (anybody would be a moron to depend on him or Crable next season), the Pats are in trouble once again. However, I think Guyton is a good player for passing downs. The Pats need to focus on either getting McClain through the draft, sign Karlos Dansby or focus on getting a rush LB.

 

[patsfan-1982]

the pats are not on he's list cause they are not known for paying top doller for FA's if the pats offer him more then any other. team he will play for them. he just wants to go to the highest bidder.

 

[mcmurtry86]

IMO if you are looking for a 'daily double' to help this team,A better chance of two high profile players coming here in one lump time would be Donte Stallworth and Deion Branch before I would expect both Dansby and Peppers and when the CBA is back how bad would that hurt this team if both Karlos and Julius both were signed at high numbers?.

A washed up, injury prone retread and an underachieving injury prone retread coming off an entire year away from the game.

Somehow that doesn't strike me as "high profile". More like "vomit inducing".

Do people not realize how awful Branch has become? Just because he was great for the Pats 5-6 years (and a lot of injuries) ago, doesn't make him a good guy to bring back. It's not like he even left on amicable terms.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Ridiculous.

Some guy who may make it.

Or, a guy who is already a beast of a defensive player and will get better.

Do we have a choice? He didn't list us as one of his possible destinations so Id rather him go to the Dolphins too push McClain back because thats the first place hed go. Dansby is going to be 29 next season so I dont think hes getting better, why not groom our own stars?

 

[slash83]

Do we have a choice? He didn't list us as one of his possible destinations so Id rather him go to the Dolphins too push McClain back because thats the first place hed go. Dansby is going to be 29 next season so I dont think hes getting better, why not groom our own stars?

You need to have stars first before you can groom em..

 

[DonBlackmon55]

...and the horse he rode in on!

Had a chance to get him with our #1 in 2004, and I really wanted him given his athleticism at LB and performance at Auburn, and our need to upgrade LB position........but as usual BB passed for to add another useless TE named Ben Watson at #32 when we already had Daniel Graham.....and bang #33, RD 2 first pick was....Karlos Dansby.

The weirdest part is at end of Rd #2 we select Marquise Hill, and boom Rd #3 first pick is Darnell Dockett DT

Heck of a draft for Arizona, at least on paper

 

[TriplecHamp]

You need to have stars first before you can groom em..

Pat Willis/Argument

 

[SHOWTIME15]

He cited a number of possible landing spots. Unfortunately, we were not on the list:

Karlos Dansby

he knows the pats are not going to pay him the money (ie-cheap)

 

[DW Toys]

I knew you would approve

I'd love to see Gocong here, he can play SLB in the 4-3, and I believe he could play SILB in the 3-4.

It has been said that he was miscast in the 4 3 and better suited for 3 4. He is 262 lbs with speed.
Good call. Thought so myself.

The Eagles could take a flyer on AD as a replacement.
DW Toys

 

[DW Toys]

Because Guyton isn't really a good fit as a 3-4 ILB and McKenzie, well the only thing we know about him is that he got injured last season. Bringing in a guy like Dansby for a couple of years until we actually know what we have in McKenzie is a pretty good idea, IMO.

I would love Dansby but he could get a better offer. There will be more trades than ever since the last CBA.
I like the idea of Gocong. As a RFA, the Eagles might not elect to resign him because he was wrong for their "D". He might be a Vrabel type find.

Do we groom McKenzie and hire a stop gap like Antonio Pierce? His neck is said to be healed and he plays with intensity. He brings back some Heart we lost. That was very disturbing last year. He is 31 and I would suspect takes a "prove it" deal and I see him at another two years of service.

I still think Guytons' position is OLB.

If we can't get McLain who I would love to see as Plan "A", I am beginning to think Spikes might work. He is more athletic than I thought.

The WHY NOT shocker of the day would be Brian Urlacher. The Bears do not have a single pick until the third round. (advantage Pats). Urlacher has recovered from a wrist injury. I would consider this a Randy Moss type trade. They need a Tackle desperately to replace Pace who is expected to retire. Would you give up a second and Matt Light for Urlacher and perhaps another three years of him starting at ILB? I have heard all the negative "Well he played in a 4-3 how in the name of everything holy, can he ever actually play in a 3-4". I say that is BS. Picture Mayo at WILB and Urlacher at SILB. It would change the dynamic of our Defense like Moss changed our Offense.

Back to these guys, McClain and Spikes will not hit full stride most likely in year one or perhaps year two. Brady will be winding down by them. Let's win now while he is still in his prime years.

Anybody who would not be interested in Urlacher for the Pats in this forum would be a head scratcher. He also has an existing contract until 2013. He would cost us less than signing Dansby. Look at the leadership he could bring to the whole "D"! He would bring HEART!I think the Bears could use a pick or picks for sure. If we dangle Light and a pick, I think they blink. We would probably want Light to restructure this year anyway but with the new rules, the trade of contracts comes into play. There will be many, MANY trades this year because of the weird rules at the end of the CBA.
DW Toys

 

[patriotscpfc]

Urlacher is done.

Bears would be delighted with a Second and Light for him.

 

[BritPat]

Sorry, why would we trade a Pro-Bowl Left Tackle and a second round pick for thirty-two year old, bum, 4-3 MLB?

I'd want Belichick fired on the spot if that happened.

Thankfully he isn't stupid.

 

[BritPat]

Had a chance to get him with our #1 in 2004, and I really wanted him given his athleticism at LB and performance at Auburn, and our need to upgrade LB position........but as usual BB passed for to add another useless TE named Ben Watson at #32 when we already had Daniel Graham.....and bang #33, RD 2 first pick was....Karlos Dansby.

The weirdest part is at end of Rd #2 we select Marquise Hill, and boom Rd #3 first pick is Darnell Dockett DT

Heck of a draft for Arizona, at least on paper

A heck of a draft? Dockett's been awful this year, and last year to think of it. Dansby's been a good player, but Dockett has done nothing to warrant the praise you're giving him.

 

[BritPat]

Just to add to that, with regards to Watson, from what I remember, we only had Graham on the roster when the Draft rolled round, and #84 was seen as a top 20 pick. When he dropped all the way to #32, the Pats simply had to take him. I'm not sure Dansby was ever an option with Bruschi, Johnson and Phifer on the roster.

As for Hill, he was touted as a first round pick by some of the draftnik's, and had no business dropping to #64 (in the same way Wilfork had no business being there at #21).

And I'm really not sure how Dockett was a fit for the 3-4 anyway. At the Combine he measured in at 6'3, 297lbs - that's 4-3 DT territory, and is in no way a fit for our 3-4.

Compare and contrast to Hill who measured in at 6'7", 296lbs. That's a 3-4 DE right there.

 

[PatsMan54]

A heck of a draft? Dockett's been awful this year, and last year to think of it. Dansby's been a good player, but Dockett has done nothing to warrant the praise you're giving him.

I would disagree with you about Dockett's performance over the past 2 years. He has been a rock in the Cards DL even going back 3 years ago. He started to catch fire last year in the playoffs, or people started noticing him a lot more.

Saying he was awful, I wouldn't go that far. 50+tackles each of the last three seasons and 20 sacks over those seasons.

Now, I don't know how he would do being in a 3-4, but saying that he hasn't done anything to give him praise...wow!