WOW -Mt. Cody 370 lbs. @ Senior Bowl

[Box_O_Rocks]

Cody was reportedly "depressed" over his 370 lb. weigh in at the Senior Bowl and is aiming to get down to 345 by the combine:

Alabama's Terrence 'Mount' Cody looks to downsize after Senior Bowl - OrlandoSentinel.com

I find this a bit concerning. That's a lot of weight to lose fast without losing strength, and I would think 345 is the low end of where Cody can play effectively. I'm guessing that 345-365 is optimal for him, and much lower than 345 and he'll lose his biggest advantage, of being an immovable object. He's not being draft for how he looks in underwear, after all.

Nothing to worry over, his agent will have him booked into a training facility and they'll get him tuned up better going into the Combine and Pro-Day, then he reports to his team - if that's NE Coaches Woicik, Nash, & Johnson will manage just fine.

 

[Mogamedogz]

He needs to lose weight, a lot of it. Maybe as much as 35lbs.

That's really not much at all.

 

[SanAngeloState]

He needs breast reduction surgery badly. That alone would probably be about 20 pounds.

 

[jays52]

He looked horribly out of shape in that picture. I know loooks don't make the ballplayer, but when was the last time you saw an NFL d-lineman with a waist wider than his shoulders?

I think he can convert a lot of that fat into efficient muscle by switching that 2-rep max routine it looks like he's on to a more plyo-centric program. I bet he's at his best playing weight between 350 and 360. That 345 stuff he was talking about was for better drill times. He seems like he is athletic enough to be psuedo-disruptive when he wants to, but he's gotta shift some of that mass from fat in his gut to rock in his trunk.

 

[patsfan-1982]

He played this season at 385. I fail to see the issue.

cause i can see nick mangold, zone blocking he's big fat A. right out of the way will thomas jones runs for 9 yerds

 

[mayoclinic]

He played this season at 385. I fail to see the issue.

There are several issues involved:

1. At 370 lbs. as things stand right now, Cody is out of shape and gets easily winded. His stamina and endurance were poor during the Senior Bowl, and he cannot be relied on to play a full game because he is too out of shape and is carrying around a bunch of extra weight.

2. The extra weight adds wear and tear to his body and will shorten his career.

3. The extra weight affects his mobility and quickness.

4. Add a bit more weight and he will be too immobile to play at all and will have eaten himself out of the league, as has happened to others.

Between 345 and 365 lbs. (ideally 350-360, as Jays52 notes) with ideal conditioning so that some of that weight is converted into muscle and redistributed, Cody can probably be as dominant a run stopping 3-4 DT as anyone has seen. Much lighter than that and he loses his effectiveness. But staying in that zone is going to be a delicate balance, and Cody hasn't proven that he can maintain the kind of balance and conditioning needed to be a dominant 3-4 DL over the long haul. How much are we or any other team willing to bet that he has the willpower, stamina and commitment to put in the work and do what it takes to find that zone and stay in it?

 

[hawk]

In his photo he looked like he was carrying 30-40 pounds of flab. He needs a dietary program, a workout program, and a contract with a weight clause. Still, he might be worth a second round pick depending on what the Pats do with Wilfork.

 

[mgteich]

So, to be clear, Cody was the best NT in the country at 385 and has wowed everyone for at least two years. And now, we on this board have decided that his best playing weight is ideally 25-30 pounds less than that. Perhaps, just perhaps

Perhaps, just perhaps, 370 will be his best weight or even 380. His trainers and coaches can determine that much better than we can.

I suspect that the issue is that Cody is not in game shape at the moment. This is a huge problem for him, and could cost him millions if the situation isn't corrected soon.

And yes, perhaps he would player longer in the league if he weighed 360. Perhaps he would last even longer at 330. Teams are looking for him to play better, not longer.

There are several issues involved:

1. At 370 lbs. as things stand right now, Cody is out of shape and gets easily winded. His stamina and endurance were poor during the Senior Bowl, and he cannot be relied on to play a full game because he is too out of shape and is carrying around a bunch of extra weight.

2. The extra weight adds wear and tear to his body and will shorten his career.

3. The extra weight affects his mobility and quickness.

4. Add a bit more weight and he will be too immobile to play at all and will have eaten himself out of the league, as has happened to others.

Between 345 and 365 lbs. (ideally 350-360, as Jays52 notes) with ideal conditioning so that some of that weight is converted into muscle and redistributed, Cody can probably be as dominant a run stopping 3-4 DT as anyone has seen. Much lighter than that and he loses his effectiveness. But staying in that zone is going to be a delicate balance, and Cody hasn't proven that he can maintain the kind of balance and conditioning needed to be a dominant 3-4 DL over the long haul. How much are we or any other team willing to bet that he has the willpower, stamina and commitment to put in the work and do what it takes to find that zone and stay in it?

 

[mayoclinic]

So, to be clear, Cody was the best NT in the country at 385 and has wowed everyone for at least two years. And now, we on this board have decided that his best playing weight is ideally 25-30 pounds less than that. Perhaps, just perhaps

Perhaps, just perhaps, 370 will be his best weight or even 380. His trainers and coaches can determine that much better than we can.

I suspect that the issue is that Cody is not in game shape at the moment. This is a huge problem for him, and could cost him millions if the situation isn't corrected soon.

And yes, perhaps he would player longer in the league if he weighed 360. Perhaps he would last even longer at 330. Teams are looking for him to play better, not longer.

As you say, there's a difference between weight and conditionng. Cody was clearly in poor shape at the Senior Bowl. There were multiple reports of him dominating practices only to get winded and pushed around.

Cody's "ideal" weight could be closer to 370-380 than 340-360. You're right, we don't know. But he hasn't ever managed to get in shape and stay there. That makes him a huge risk.

 

[hawk]

When Bruce Smith came out of college the knock on him was that he was fat and out of shape. He had an epiphany, lost about 40 lbs, and had an All Pro career.

 

[mayoclinic]

When Bruce Smith came out of college the knock on him was that he was fat and out of shape. He had an epiphany, lost about 40 lbs, and had an All Pro career.

I'm not quite sure about 40 lbs., but your general point is right on. And there's no doubt that an in shape Cody could be a dominant monster in the middle. I may disagree with Ochmed's claim that Cody would be the best 3-4 NT in the NFL right now, but I don't disagree that Cody could be an absolutely dominating 3-4 NT with the right motivation and conditioning. I just don't know that he is willing to do what it takes and can keep himself in shape. If only you could marked epiphanies.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Let's imagine a 6'4" 370 lb NT with 34" arms who drops 30 odd pounds, you still have NT weight (we'll assume he does so without loss of muscle tone), and you may also have a new DE. With a halfway decent OLB teams just don't run effectively at TY Warren's side. Consider 6'4" 340 34" matched up against Jake Long - pass or run NE creates a mismatch. It will make things much easier for TBC should he be re-signed, and a stronger run defender there can just lock down the edge more easily.

NE has the reserve horses to stuff the middle with Wright and Pryor, plus I expect Brace to be flying right by next season. I can see such a move quickly making teams one dimensional with no problem.

Whatever NE decides to do with Wilfork, there's potential value to Cody beyond his anchor in the middle.

 

[mayoclinic]

Let's imagine a 6'4" 370 lb NT with 34" arms who drops 30 odd pounds, you still have NT weight (we'll assume he does so without loss of muscle tone), and you may also have a new DE. With a halfway decent OLB teams just don't run effectively at TY Warren's side. Consider 6'4" 340 34" matched up against Jake Long - pass or run NE creates a mismatch. It will make things much easier for TBC should he be re-signed, and a stronger run defender there can just lock down the edge more easily.

NE has the reserve horses to stuff the middle with Wright and Pryor, plus I expect Brace to be flying right by next season. I can see such a move quickly making teams one dimensional with no problem.

Whatever NE decides to do with Wilfork, there's potential value to Cody beyond his anchor in the middle.

That's been my argument in favor of 6' 2 1/2" 329# Dan Cody. But I just don't see Cody having the mobility to play DE, even with the weight loss.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

That's been my argument in favor of 6' 2 1/2" 329# Dan Cody. But I just don't see Cody having the mobility to play DE, even with the weight loss.

Dan Cody was an Oklahoma DE in the 2005 draft... :confused2:

 

[mayoclinic]

Dan Cody was an Oklahoma DE in the 2005 draft... :confused2:

Dan Williams. Can I help it if I forgot to take my Alzheimer's medications?

 

[jays52]

Let's imagine a 6'4" 370 lb NT with 34" arms who drops 30 odd pounds, you still have NT weight (we'll assume he does so without loss of muscle tone), and you may also have a new DE. With a halfway decent OLB teams just don't run effectively at TY Warren's side. Consider 6'4" 340 34" matched up against Jake Long - pass or run NE creates a mismatch. It will make things much easier for TBC should he be re-signed, and a stronger run defender there can just lock down the edge more easily.

NE has the reserve horses to stuff the middle with Wright and Pryor, plus I expect Brace to be flying right by next season. I can see such a move quickly making teams one dimensional with no problem.

Whatever NE decides to do with Wilfork, there's potential value to Cody beyond his anchor in the middle.

That's an excellent point. I'm going to zone in on Cody quite a bit today and take a look at how he looks for an end. Getting excited for the game.

 

[mayoclinic]

That's an excellent point. I'm going to zone in on Cody quite a bit today and take a look at how he looks for an end. Getting excited for the game.

Although Jared Odrick has had an excellent practice week by all reports, I'm still overwhelmed with him and don't see any dominant classic 3-4 DE, unless Alex Carrington can put on 15 more lbs and play DE for us. I like the idea of using Cody or Dan Williams at DE (or at DT with Wilfork at DE) much better.

 

[DaBruinz]

Although Jared Odrick has had an excellent practice week by all reports, I'm still overwhelmed with him and don't see any dominant classic 3-4 DE, unless Alex Carrington can put on 15 more lbs and play DE for us. I like the idea of using Cody or Dan Williams at DE (or at DT with Wilfork at DE) much better.

The Pats trading down with Detroit if Odrick is still on the board is looking better and better.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Although Jared Odrick has had an excellent practice week by all reports, I'm still overwhelmed with him and don't see any dominant classic 3-4 DE, unless Alex Carrington can put on 15 more lbs and play DE for us. I like the idea of using Cody or Dan Williams at DE (or at DT with Wilfork at DE) much better.

As far as DTs go, isn't Fred Robbins going to be available? How do you think we'd do with him and Wilfork?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I'm not quite sure about 40 lbs., but your general point is right on. And there's no doubt that an in shape Cody could be a dominant monster in the middle. I may disagree with Ochmed's claim that Cody would be the best 3-4 NT in the NFL right now, but I don't disagree that Cody could be an absolutely dominating 3-4 NT with the right motivation and conditioning. I just don't know that he is willing to do what it takes and can keep himself in shape. If only you could marked epiphanies.

After watching Mt. Cody play out of position most of the senior bowl and watching how none of the north's O-line could move Cody off the LOS, I think it is imperative that B draft this kid and stick him in the middle.

And while I have slight concern about his stamina, I think the announcers said it best, "Cody is a B gap to B Gap beast with the feet to handle the middle. Works best in a 3-4 defense."

I watched Dan Williams and thought that as a 4-3 DT, he fits nicely, but as a 3-4 NT he plays on skates too much.

Odrick grew on me somewhat during this game. However like Warren, he would need at least a year to work on technique and strength before he could man the DE spot in the base defense.