Wilfork says he wouldn't mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons

[The Dynasty]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

Didn't know the Globe did trade negotiations for the Pats. I am guessing that Belichick is not letting Wilfork go for less than a first. A first and a third if it it to the Dolphins.

No chance in hell BB would ever let Wilfork go to a team within the division

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

Wilfork's contract is up. He's due to be a free agent. If that happens, he can pick his own destination and the Patriots will have no say in the matter.

And the Pats would get two first round picks in compensation. Wilfork and the team signing him would have no say in that matter. So in other words, the Pats have a lot of say of where he goes because the team that acquires Wilfork would want to make a trade for Wilfork for less than 2 first round picks.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

No chance in hell BB would ever let Wilfork go to a team within the division

I agree. But if they give him a poison pill deal, the Pats may have no choice. Granted the Pats would have the Dolphins first round picks in 2010 and 2011.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

And the Pats would get two first round picks in compensation. Wilfork and the team signing him would have no say in that matter. So in other words, the Pats have a lot of say of where he goes because the team that acquires Wilfork would want to make a trade for Wilfork for less than 2 first round picks.

The Patriots would get nothing in compensation other than a compensatory pick.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

this is getting fun.......people who think the pats will fold their arms and have all the leverage in the world are bloated with kool-aid

the longer this drags out, the more the value will go down.....especially if it gegts to the point where the only way they get wilfork to show up on time is to promise no tag in 2011....the he will play it out and the pats will only get a 3rd rounder for him........if someone offers the pats a top 10 pick for him, they'd be idiots not to take it

they then go off and sign a guy like pickett, draft mcclain and oldrick in the first round, hughes in the 2nd round, and the defense is shiny and new

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

The Patriots would get nothing in compensation other than a compensatory pick.

some people dont get it

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

The Patriots would get nothing in compensation other than a compensatory pick.

Really?!? Is this in the imaginary universe where the Pats forget to send in the franchise tender offer papers into the league? Or they decide to do what is best for Wilfork and let him leave without franchising him.

The only ways Wilfork leaves the Pats this year is either he is franchised and traded or the he is franchised and a team signs him and the Pats refuse to match the offer and the team just gives up two first round picks. Any other scenario isn't based in reality.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

some people dont get it

Fianlly admitting it. Just pay attention and people will figure it out.

 

[The Dynasty]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

Really?!? Is this in the imaginary universe where the Pats forget to send in the franchise tender offer papers into the league? Or they decide to do what is best for Wilfork and let him leave without franchising him.

The only ways Wilfork leaves the Pats this year is either he is franchised and traded or the he is franchised and a team signs him and the Pats refuse to match the offer and the team just gives up two first round picks. Any other scenario isn't based in reality.

It all depends on what type of franchise player the Pats make him. There are 2 types.

• An "exclusive" franchise player -- not free to sign with another club -- is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of April 16, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

• If the player is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries of last season at his position, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, he becomes a “non-exclusive” franchise player and can negotiate with other clubs. His old club can match a new club's offer, or receive two first-round draft choices if it decides not to match

 

[Rob0729]

this is getting fun.......people who think the pats will fold their arms and have all the leverage in the world are bloated with kool-aid

the longer this drags out, the more the value will go down.....especially if it gegts to the point where the only way they get wilfork to show up on time is to promise no tag in 2011....the he will play it out and the pats will only get a 3rd rounder for him........if someone offers the pats a top 10 pick for him, they'd be idiots not to take it

they then go off and sign a guy like pickett, draft mcclain and oldrick in the first round, hughes in the 2nd round, and the defense is shiny and new

Well, the Pats have blown it. They should have already franchised and traded Wilfork in the past week. Even though the period for franchising Wilfork is three weeks away and the Pats cannot trade Wilfork until March 5th, his trade value is already diminishing and the Pats leverage is gone. The only thying they have left to do is not franchise him and let him be a free agent and hope his compensatory pick is a third rounder. That's the best they can do.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

Really?!? Is this in the imaginary universe where the Pats forget to send in the franchise tender offer papers into the league? Or they decide to do what is best for Wilfork and let him leave without franchising him.

The only ways Wilfork leaves the Pats this year is either he is franchised and traded or the he is franchised and a team signs him and the Pats refuse to match the offer and the team just gives up two first round picks. Any other scenario isn't based in reality.

are you really that stupid or just pretending.........a very real scenario is a repeat of asante samuel where the only way the pats get him to show up under the tag is a promise not to do it again the next year...then he is gone for a 3rd rounder....but you knew that

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

It all depends on what type of franchise player the Pats make him. There are 2 types.

• An "exclusive" franchise player -- not free to sign with another club -- is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of April 16, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

• If the player is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries of last season at his position, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, he becomes a “non-exclusive” franchise player and can negotiate with other clubs. His old club can match a new club's offer, or receive two first-round draft choices if it decides not to match

Well, if he is a non-exclusive, Wilfork has no other option but to play for the Pats. Players rarely get that tender offer. Wilfork might.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

Really?!? Is this in the imaginary universe where the Pats forget to send in the franchise tender offer papers into the league? Or they decide to do what is best for Wilfork and let him leave without franchising him.

The only ways Wilfork leaves the Pats this year is either he is franchised and traded or the he is franchised and a team signs him and the Pats refuse to match the offer and the team just gives up two first round picks. Any other scenario isn't based in reality.

What the hell has happened to some of the (formerly) good posters around here? So many of you have gone to pot. It's not some imaginary universe, it's the real universe where "worst case scenario" was mentioned:

worst case scenerio we tag him then ship him OUT of the divison and ideally, conference.

There's actually a scenario even worse than Vince walking as a free agent, but that would be the Patriots slapping the tag on Wilfork and then Vince going down for the season even before game one, and I didn't want to be that dark. Since you felt the need to make the snide remark, though, there you have it.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

are you really that stupid or just pretending.........a very real scenario is a repeat of asante samuel where the only way the pats get him to show up under the tag is a promise not to do it again the next year...then he is gone for a 3rd rounder....but you knew that

Talk to me in late August. That scenario is a long way away and may never happen even if Wilfork signs his franchise tender.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

What the hell has happened to some of the good posters around here? So many of you have gone to pot. It's not some imaginary universe, it's the real universe where "worst case scenario" was mentioned:



There's actually a scenario even worse than Vince walking as a free agent, but that would be the Patriots slapping the tag on Wilfork and then Vince going down for the season even before game one, and I didn't want to be that dark. Since you felt the need to make the snide remark, though, there you have it.

I agree what happened to you. The worst case scenario is either Wilfok plays for the Pats another year and leaves for nothing since the Pats agreed not to franchise him in 2011 or Wilfork sits out for 10 games and becomes a franchised player in 2011. Neither of those scenarios are what you stated. Having Wilfork for another year and then losing him for a compensatory pick is a lot different than just letting him go far a compensatory pick. Maybe if you were clear about that, I wouldn't have mocked you.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

are you really that stupid or just pretending.........a very real scenario is a repeat of asante samuel where the only way the pats get him to show up under the tag is a promise not to do it again the next year...then he is gone for a 3rd rounder....but you knew that

That was the Patriots' choice. After they Franchised him they could have traded him to a team willing to sign him long term - which would have happened as he was coming off a big season. The Patriots chose the "one more season and a comp pick" route.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

I agree what happened to you. The worst case scenario is either Wilfok plays for the Pats another year and leaves for nothing or Wilfork sits out for 10 games and becomes a franchised player in 2011. Neither of those scenarios are what you stated. Having Wilfork for another year and then losing him for a compensatory pick is a lot different than just letting him go far a compensatory pick. Maybe if you were clear about that, I wouldn't have mocked you.

You "mocked me" because you didn't bother reading and you just posted the same sort of bullcrap you've been posting lately. The worst case scenario, other than the sign/injury, is that the Patriots just let Wilfork walk this season, and take the 3rd round compensation. That's the worst case, not the crap you're spewing.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

That was the Patriots' choice. After they Franchised him they could have traded him to a team willing to sign him long term - which would have happened as he was coming off a big season. The Patriots chose the "one more season and a comp pick" route.

Yeah, I personally think the Pats never really valued Samuel. I think in hindsight it was a mistake, but I think they felt that Hobbs could have been just as good if they gave him a chance. The Pats could have had him for a bargain a year before he was franchised and they weren't willing to give him a deal.

Wilfork may be another story. They may not be willing to give up up in 2011 for nothing just to get another year out of him.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

That was the Patriots' choice. After they Franchised him they could have traded him to a team willing to sign him long term - which would have happened as he was coming off a big season. The Patriots chose the "one more season and a comp pick" route.

one could also say that they had to do it in order to get samuel to step onto the field

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilfork says he wouldnt mind playing for the Bucs or Dolfoons.

You "mocked me" because you didn't bother reading and you just posted the same sort of bullcrap you've been posting lately. The worst case scenario, other than the sign/injury, is that the Patriots just let Wilfork walk this season, and take the 3rd round compensation. That's the worst case, not the crap you're spewing.

Then again, you've gotten so cozy up in Belichick's jock lately that it's probably difficult to see the light from where your head is.

Yes, someone doesn't agree with you, it is bullcrap. Same old BS. But now that you aren't a Patriots homer and take their side on everything and done a 180 and want to trash them for everything, you think my posts are bullcrap. Sorry, I haven't changed one bit.

Call me a homer if you want, but I haven't changed at all. My stance on Belichick has always been the same, I haven't agreed with some of his moves, but he has earned my trust in him until this team totally implodes. And only in a spoiled Patriots universe would 10-6 and a division title be considered totally imploding.

You have gone from sounding like the Big Show to sounding like Felger and Mazz.