Joey Galloway

[RayClay]

By the way, Brady waiting for Moss to get open has already destroyed the passing offense.

I'm not against Moss and think he's done what he was told, but you can't have everybody else running timing routes and Brady standing and staring at Moss and Welker waiting for them to improvise.

Sorry folks, it's one or the other.

 

[Deus Irae]

went to a few home games early, PJ...he flat out couldn't outrun anybody flat out..that's why he's flat out of the league and his league pic lies flat on its back out in the dumpster behind the NFL offices...located in Flatbush

All offseason long we heard about how he still had his speed, and we saw him use that speed to get open numerous times in the little he played. He and Brady weren't on the same page with those throws, you may recall.

It wasn't about his speed, though.

 

[Kontradiction]

I still think Brady's attitude towards Galloway in that Falcons game was over the top, especially considering he's a 38 year old veteran.

I agree with this one. As someone else said, this is something that we've thrown Manning under the bus for numerous times.

I think most people know how I feel toward Galloway. IMO, it was unfair of us to come in and expect the old dog to learn new tricks. The coaching staff could have simplified things for him to let him run the routes that he was comfortable with in an effort to ease him into things on offense. He still had speed, as was shown in the Jets game in Week 2. He flat out burned his man and was wide open for (what would have been) a game-tying TD and Brady overthrew him. That said, I'm still not sure how effective he would have been in this offense even if he had stayed. I'm sure this won't be a popular comment, but I'll say it anyway: Brady realistically couldn't hit the deep ball on a consistent basis to save his life this year.

I also have a conspiracy theory which states that Galloway had some sort of lingering injury that we as fans have not been made aware of. The guy still had deep speed and still had the intangibles that made him a good receiver in this league. The fact that the Pats dropped him, even though his back-up was Sam Aiken, and the fact that nobody really picked him up afterward would support an injury situation.

 

[Patspsycho]

By the way, Brady waiting for Moss to get open has already destroyed the passing offense.

I'm not against Moss and think he's done what he was told, but you can't have everybody else running timing routes and Brady standing and staring at Moss and Welker waiting for them to improvise.

Sorry folks, it's one or the other.

That's been the big problem.. It's not so much improvising as it is Brady forcing the ball in.. even into double-coverage when other receivers were wide open.

 

[The Dynasty]

That's been the big problem.. It's not so much improvising as it is Brady forcing the ball in.. even into double-coverage when other receivers were wide open.

It was the lack of a WR besides Moss and Welker that was the issue all season long. If you were Brady would you rather force the ball to Welker (which wasnt really an issue because he led the league in receptions, and continually made plays despite the double coverage) or throw the ball to Aiken or Stanback with single coverage? The answer is double coverage to Moss or Welker, if the Pats had a dependable 3rd WR then there wouldnt be this argument because Brady would be able to throw the ball to other WRs because they make plays

 

[Patspsycho]

It was the lack of a WR besides Moss and Welker that was the issue all season long. If you were Brady would you rather force the ball to Welker (which wasnt really an issue because he led the league in receptions, and continually made plays despite the double coverage) or throw the ball to Aiken or Stanback with single coverage? The answer is double coverage to Moss or Welker, if the Pats had a dependable 3rd WR then there wouldnt be this argument because Brady would be able to throw the ball to other WRs because they make plays

Yes, I think the lack of trust in a 3rd WR made a big difference this season.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

I wonder why the Pats didn't sign a guy like David Patten after they cut Galloway. Patten in 07 had over 50 Rec for 800 yards and ended up as the Saints 2nd WR. In 08 he only played 5 games but that was due more to the fact that the Saints wanted to play there younger WR's like Meachem and Moore at the #3 and #4 WR spots last season.

Sure, while we're at it, let's bring back cast of former Pats from decade+ ago for tryouts. We can find a reasonable #2 from this cast
Terry Glenn
Troy Brown
Shawn Jefferson
Tony Simmons
David Givens
Deion Branch
Vincent Brisby
Michael Timpson
Kevin Lee

 

[rsd]

All offseason long we heard about how he still had his speed, and we saw him use that speed to get open numerous times in the little he played. He and Brady weren't on the same page with those throws, you may recall.

It wasn't about his speed, though.

Yeah, he couldn't catch a cold.

 

[muzz]

Sure, while we're at it, let's bring back cast of former Pats from decade+ ago for tryouts. We can find a reasonable #2 from this cast
Terry Glenn
Troy Brown
Shawn Jefferson
Tony Simmons
David Givens
Deion Branch
Vincent Brisby
Michael Timpson
Kevin Lee

You forgot Hart Lee Dykes.....heheheheh

 

[BionicPatriot]

If it was about speed and this coaching staff monitored him for 4 months and thought he was fast enough than oh man, this team IS in decline.

IMO, like others said it was more a fit thing. He couldn't adapt to the Patriot WR way, and tried to do his own thing like other before him have, and like the others, have failed. I agree with the poster who stuck up for Brady as he was lacking a #3. As much as we get on Tom for locking onto Moss or Welker, unless they were wide open by 25 feet, people would be going ape **** if brady passed the ball to Aiken/Stanback over Welker/Moss in crunch time.

We seem to forget that 07 offense had Moss, Welker AND Gaffney, AND Stallworth.

Those 2 are no world beaters by any means, however they both proved themselves enough to be respectable threats, and that they were. I'm not expecting to ever be so loaded again, but we need to get a replacement for Gaffney. Even in 06, when Brady was throwing to him and Rache, you could just feel the confidence Brady was gaining in him.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Someone needs to whack Belichick over the head everytime he even thinks of bringing in cheap retreads who are over 35 and are more than long in the tooth....the time for doing that has long came and past,time for this to change for youth even if it means the player could take 2 or 3 years to develop.

Look at a receiver such as Sidney Rice who showed little until his 3rd year and when hooked up with Brett Favre he now looks like a young copycat version of Randy Moss,Watch his jumping up for the ball and dragging it in,Moss did the same thing in his younger days.

That move for Galloway and letting Gaffney go ended up destroying what could have been a dynamic offense,Maybe one of the not so good transitions in BBs resume.

Its not like Gaffney would have caused big cap issues,I think his contract would have been reasonably easy to deal with,It was a stupid move IMO and still bothers me the same exact day old man Galloway was signed to replace him.

Dear F.O. - Just stop with the old guys who should retire,than wear a Pats uniform...please

 

[FalconHeavy]

Someone needs to whack Belichick over the head everytime he even thinks of bringing in cheap retreads who are over 35 and are more than long in the tooth....the time for doing that has long came and past,time for this to change for youth even if it means the player could take 2 or 3 years to develop.

Look at a receiver such as Sidney Rice who showed little until his 3rd year and when hooked up with Brett Favre he now looks like a young copycat version of Randy Moss,Watch his jumping up for the ball and dragging it in,Moss did the same thing in his younger days.

That move for Galloway and letting Gaffney go ended up destroying what could have been a dynamic offense,Maybe one of the not so good transitions in BBs resume.

Its not like Gaffney would have caused big cap issues,I think his contract would have been reasonably easy to deal with It was a stupid move IMO and still bothers me the same exact day old man Galloway was signed to replace him.

Dear F.O. - Just stop with the old guys who should retire,than wear a Pats uniform...please

Exact thing that I was mad as hell about (not that it matters ) Letting Gaffney go for such a puny amount was not a sane decision by BB

 

[bigfandan]

Not to mention his proven fitness in the system and familarity with Brady has got to count for something. But that has not been highly valued as we let so many of proven veterans go (see Branch, Givens, Patten etc). Hope they will have a stronger retention policy going forward, ala Indy, willing to spend top dollars when necessary.

Exact thing that I was mad as hell about (not that it matters ) Letting Gaffney go for such a puny amount was not a sane decision by BB

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Not to mention his proven fitness in the system and familarity with Brady has got to count for something. But that has not been highly valued as we let so many of proven veterans go (see Branch, Givens, Patten etc). Hope they will have a stronger retention policy going forward, ala Indy, willing to spend top dollars when necessary.

Branch forced his way out. BB didnt just let him go, as he had little choice. What did you expect him to do, pay 6 mil a year for Branch? How did that work out for Seattle? Givens was injury prone. If you're going to bring up examples of bad WR signings, how about Donald Hayes? lol

 

[VJCPatriot]

Sure, while we're at it, let's bring back cast of former Pats from decade+ ago for tryouts. We can find a reasonable #2 from this cast
Terry Glenn
Troy Brown
Shawn Jefferson
Tony Simmons
David Givens
Deion Branch
Vincent Brisby
Michael Timpson
Kevin Lee

You left out Bethel Johnson.

 

[Kontradiction]

Not to mention his proven fitness in the system and familarity with Brady has got to count for something. But that has not been highly valued as we let so many of proven veterans go (see Branch, Givens, Patten etc). Hope they will have a stronger retention policy going forward, ala Indy, willing to spend top dollars when necessary.

Um, the Colts are just as frugal as we are when it comes to spending.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I agree with this one. As someone else said, this is something that we've thrown Manning under the bus for numerous times.

I think most people know how I feel toward Galloway. IMO, it was unfair of us to come in and expect the old dog to learn new tricks. The coaching staff could have simplified things for him to let him run the routes that he was comfortable with in an effort to ease him into things on offense. He still had speed, as was shown in the Jets game in Week 2. He flat out burned his man and was wide open for (what would have been) a game-tying TD and Brady overthrew him. That said, I'm still not sure how effective he would have been in this offense even if he had stayed. I'm sure this won't be a popular comment, but I'll say it anyway: Brady realistically couldn't hit the deep ball on a consistent basis to save his life this year.

I also have a conspiracy theory which states that Galloway had some sort of lingering injury that we as fans have not been made aware of. The guy still had deep speed and still had the intangibles that made him a good receiver in this league. The fact that the Pats dropped him, even though his back-up was Sam Aiken, and the fact that nobody really picked him up afterward would support an injury situation.

Kon

I agree that the basic problem was Brady. It's also obvious over the months that this site couldn't come to grip with the fact that an ACL can be a two year project and that 2009 Brady wouldn't be 2002-2007 Brady. I have zero doubt that this team would have been 15-1 or 14-2 with 2002-2007 Brady.

Next year will be key since we will know where Brady really stands and if this problem is solved with a full year of off work with Edelman and Tate.

 

[JMarr]

My question would be, what kind of scouting/interview/workout process did they put Galloway through before they signed him, and who was in charge of it? If the Pats passing game is so complex and dependent almost soley on what Brady reads, was Brady even involved in the process? Maybe they didn't do a lot of face-to-face with Galloway to see what on level he was capable of reading defenses, etc. and just signed he, Greg Lewis, etc. to see if anything would stick.

 

[mgteich]

This is nonsense. Why does everyone think that Brees, Rivers, Manning, and Schaub can have production from free agents, rookies, and UDFA's, but that the very limited Brady and the patriot offense have such problems?

Brady and the patriots offense have ABSOLUTELY been able to use great receivers and almost every other kind of receiver as has shown from 2001-2007. I have little doubt that Galloway or Lewis or Aiken or even Stanback would have been more than adequate if

1) Brady were at 100% for the season and/or
2) Charlie or Josh were running the show.

My question would be, what kind of scouting/interview/workout process did they put Galloway through before they signed him, and who was in charge of it? If the Pats passing game is so complex and dependent almost soley on what Brady reads, was Brady even involved in the process? Maybe they didn't do a lot of face-to-face with Galloway to see what on level he was capable of reading defenses, etc. and just signed he, Greg Lewis, etc. to see if anything would stick.

 

[The Dynasty]

This is nonsense. Why does everyone think that Brees, Rivers, Manning, and Schaub can have production from free agents, rookies, and UDFA's, but that the very limited Brady and the patriot offense have such problems?

Brady and the patriots offense have ABSOLUTELY been able to use great receivers and almost every other kind of receiver as has shown from 2001-2007. I have little doubt that Galloway or Lewis or Aiken or even Stanback would have been more than adequate if

1) Brady were at 100% for the season and/or
2) Charlie or Josh were running the show.

I completely agree, many of the offensive struggles this season should be blamed on the lack of a proven OC. Josh and Charlie got the most out of the players that they had. They would have found ways for Galloway, Lewis and Aiken to produce. Also, once Welker went down they would have found ways to get Moss the ball in the playoff game vs the Ravens. The lack of an OC was the biggest problem on offensive for the Pats this season