Reiss: Lesson can be learned from Jets

[SVN]

Lesson can be learned from Jets - Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
i like mike and credit the jets but somehow he is playing this article like the jets have won 3 SB and pats and BB dont know what to do for ages.It seems like a fan reaction article in my opinion.

 

[mayoclinic]

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I'd agree. I give this article a big Meh.

With that in mind, I think the 2009 Pats definitely lacked identity. I'd like to see the following for 2010:

1. On offense, something like what the Saints have - a pass-oriented offense but with good running balance including integration of RBs into the passing game, and too many weapons to cover. A healthy Brandon Tate, a veteran 3rd WR, an all-purpose RB like CJ Spiller, and a RG replacement for Stephen Neal could make this an achievable goal.

2. On defense, a more attacking style while still being based on the 3-4. Solidifying the ILB position with a FA like Karlos Dansby or a rookie like Rolando McClain, plus a pass rusher or two, could go a long way to make implementing this possible.

 

[Patspsycho]

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I'd agree. I give this article a big Meh.

With that in mind, I think the 2009 Pats definitely lacked identity. I'd like to see the following for 2010:

1. On offense, something like what the Saints have - a pass-oriented offense but with good running balance including integration of RBs into the passing game, and too many weapons to cover. A healthy Brandon Tate, a veteran 3rd WR, an all-purpose RB like CJ Spiller, and a RG replacement for Stephen Neal could make this an achievable goal.

2. On defense, a more attacking style while still being based on the 3-4. Solidifying the ILB position with a FA like Karlos Dansby or a rookie like Rolando McClain, plus a pass rusher or two, could go a long way to make implementing this possible.

CJ Spiller is my binky, but he may be gone long before our pick.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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I'd agree. I give this article a big Meh.

With that in mind, I think the 2009 Pats definitely lacked identity. I'd like to see the following for 2010:

1. On offense, something like what the Saints have - a pass-oriented offense but with good running balance including integration of RBs into the passing game, and too many weapons to cover. A healthy Brandon Tate, a veteran 3rd WR, an all-purpose RB like CJ Spiller, and a RG replacement for Stephen Neal could make this an achievable goal.

2. On defense, a more attacking style while still being based on the 3-4. Solidifying the ILB position with a FA like Karlos Dansby or a rookie like Rolando McClain, plus a pass rusher or two, could go a long way to make implementing this possible.

If the Pats stop giving 10-15 yard cushions on third down, I would be most appreciative. I swear, I felt more confident in the Pats' ability (not just this year, BTW) to stop 3rd-and-2 than to stop 3rd-and-15.

I also wonder how much the team will benefit from removing the main malignancy in the locker room (the guy who made the "Humble Pie" shirts two years ago).

 

[emoney_33]

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Mike, really with the "identity" angle? There is NOTHING to be said for "identity" aside from fun fan sports talk keyword.

 

[Mosi Moose]

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If the Pats stop giving 10-15 yard cushions on third down, I would be most appreciative. I swear, I felt more confident in the Pats' ability (not just this year, BTW) to stop 3rd-and-2 than to stop 3rd-and-15.

Agreed. I'm sick and tired of the 'bend but don't break' approach. Would like us to be much more aggressive on 3rd down (actually, all downs to be honest).

 

[mgteich]

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If we had the talent of the jets on defense, we would be more agreesive in our schemes.

 

[Brarrell]

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They need to rush the passer much better than they have, and that means drafting and jumping into FA. I think they have to change their business model like everything else things change and evolve.

 

[SVN]

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yeah i tweeted him about it.Its about better players and better tacklers.If the jets had the pats defense their 3 running plays offense wouldnt work

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Agreed. I'm sick and tired of the 'bend but don't break' approach. Would like us to be much more aggressive on 3rd down (actually, all downs to be honest).

Bend but don't break was fine when it was winning...and it won a lot over an entire decade.

The mediots used to laud this team for it's ability to be chameleons. I think what it boils down to for the media is they like whatever is winning... Which is the classic kneejerk, frontrunner mentality. Great consistently successful HC's like Bill have the courage of their convictions because that is what got them there. Which fans and mediots believe is laudable when you win but somehow a character flaw when you don't...

What the JETS have accomplished to date says a lot more about the league and the teams they beat, including two who intentionally laid down for them to even allow them to make the playoffs (they were a .500 team absent that and should have finished the season at .500 or below) and two classically (and one consistently) overhyped, highly talented underachievers.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

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If I were BB The only "lesson" I could learn from the Jets is the one about trying to convince the schedule makers to hook you up with 2 teams who have nothing to play for in your last 2 weeks.

The quote in my sig says it all.

 

[Mack Herron]

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How many Pats defenders would start for the Jets? I pause after Wilfork.

 

[dhamz]

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It's not scheme, identity, all the intangible BS everyone likes to focus on.

There's a whole lot of ways to play defense. The problem is none of them work without really good players. That is where the Pats defensive issues have been in recent years. Put really good players out there and the scheme will work fine.

 

[emoney_33]

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How many Pats defenders would start for the Jets? I pause after Wilfork.

Wilfork, Warren, Adalius, Mayo, Bodden, Merriweather.

 

[condon84]

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CJ Spiller is my binky, but he may be gone long before our pick.

Getting Spiller would be great. We'd have to trade up to get a chance to get him though.

And I don't know if he would fill an area of need as great as OLB, ILB, or a pass rusher is for us.

That being said, he'd be a great addition to our offense.

 

[TriplecHamp]

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If we had the talent of the jets on defense, we would be more agreesive in our schemes.

Thats the thing, the Jets dont have more talent than us, they just have better coaching. And by Coaching I mean schemes.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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If I were BB The only "lesson" I could learn from the Jets is the one about trying to convince the schedule makers to hook you up with 2 teams who have nothing to play for in your last 2 weeks.

The quote in my sig says it all.

Actually that is not true.....The Colts had an undefeated season to play for and the Bengals had the 3rd seed to play for.....But both chose to pass on a 100% try.....They both had something to play for....Don't blame the Jets that they didn't try.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Thats the thing, the Jets dont have more talent than us, they just have better coaching. And by Coaching I mean schemes.

Any reasonable breakdown of the two defenses this year would show a clearly superior Jets squad. The 2009 Patriots would have been able to place only 3 of their players (Wilfork, Warren, Meriweather) in the Jets starting rotation. The other 8 spots, including every linebacker position, would have gone to the Jets*. All the cries of "Coaching! Scheme!" won't change the reality of personnel.


* Note that I'm referring to those who were available for most of the season. That means post-injury Mayo rather than pre-injury, and it means Jennings would be out of the discussion.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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How many Pats defenders would start for the Jets? I pause after Wilfork.

If Jenkins is back and healthy,does even Wilfork start?...Hmmmm,not so sure of that

 

[emoney_33]

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Any reasonable breakdown of the two defenses this year would show a clearly superior Jets squad. The 2009 Patriots would have been able to place only 3 of their players (Wilfork, Warren, Meriweather) in the Jets starting rotation. The other 8 spots, including every linebacker position, would have gone to the Jets*. All the cries of "Coaching! Scheme!" won't change the reality of personnel.


* Note that I'm referring to those who were available for most of the season. That means post-injury Mayo rather than pre-injury, and it means Jennings would be out of the discussion.

Haha of course you would use post-injury Mayo.

Mayo, Adalius and Bodden are all starting on that team. Just because Adalius doesn't like being here, doesn't mean he isn't very talented.