Fox Sports' Schein on Pats

[CrazyDave]

wanna try that again?

lmfao! 12345

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Fox Sports Schein on Pats

3. Trading out the first round in 2009 to get second rounder and two third round picks from the Packers. Hopefully Darius Butler, MacKenzie or Tate can produce, otherwise this will look like a huge mistake by Bill. He passed on Oher and Clay Matthews.

Would the Patriots have been better off with Matthews? Quite likely (but for all we know, Matthews might have blown out his knee in mini-camp the way McKenize did).

But given how well Vollmer's turned out so far, I don't think anyone can really argue that the Patriots clearly made a mistake by not taking Oher at 23.

 

[IcyPatriot]

How do you spell relief? "P-A-S-H R-U-S-H"

As we all know, what a difference that would make.

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[captain stone]

A lot of people are kicking dirt on the Pats run of success and calling it the end of this "dynasty" while comparing it to others in the NFL that have come and gone like the Steelers, Cowboys and 49ers. Schein takes a different approach and compares the past to the Yankees.

Schein playoff rooting interest 011210 - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN



I agree, plenty of good pieces still here to build another solid team to compete for SB titles.

No, there aren't; nor are there any forthcoming, as long as Bill is buying the groceries.

 

[BPF]

No, there aren't; nor are there any forthcoming, as long as Bill is buying the groceries.

You're right that BB has never done anything right when it comes to the draft, free agency or winning

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

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Brandon Tate is going to be a stud.

As much as everyone wants to make fun of zoostation's opinion here, I have to say that I am excited about Tate, if he can stay healthy. He is a tremendous asset as a kick returner, he's physical and he's fast. I think he is the best receiver prospect they've had on this team in years--talent wise he matches up with the Chad Jacksons and Bethel Johnsons they've had in years past.

Now, I sure hope that he has to scratch and fight just to make the team, because they've brought in some veteran talent and maybe someone in through the draft to compete for a spot. I still think we're going to see Brandon Tate making some plays for the Pats---IF he can shake the injury bug.

 

[muzz]

Re: Fox Sports Schein on Pats

Hey, no worries guys. Zoostation from the internet says Brandon Tate is "going to be a stud."

Seems like a pretty open-and-shut case to me.

heheheheheheheh
What a stallion!!

 

[muzz]

Re: Fox Sports Schein on Pats

As much as everyone wants to make fun of zoostation's opinion here, I have to say that I am excited about Tate, if he can stay healthy. He is a tremendous asset as a kick returner, he's physical and he's fast. I think he is the best receiver prospect they've had on this team in years--talent wise he matches up with the Chad Jacksons and Bethel Johnsons they've had in years past.

Now, I sure hope that he has to scratch and fight just to make the team, because they've brought in some veteran talent and maybe someone in through the draft to compete for a spot. I still think we're going to see Brandon Tate making some plays for the Pats---IF he can shake the injury bug.

Lord knows those 2 guys turned into real stallions for our team!!
I'm really hoping this guy is even good enough to be a 4th WR, and it doesn't take him 4 years to "get it", especially since his 1st year was a waste.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Re: Fox Sports Schein on Pats

Lord knows those 2 guys turned into real stallions for our team!!
I'm really hoping this guy is even good enough to be a 4th WR, and it doesn't take him 4 years to "get it", especially since his 1st year was a waste.

Of course those guys lacked studness, but ability was never a question, it was work ethic, effort, etc. All I am saying is that Tate is a good enough athlete with a productive enough college career that there is reason to be encouraged by his ability. As far as next season goes, if he is healthy I think he could make a huge contribution in the return game, where it is clear the Pats need a shot in the arm.

 

[captain stone]

You're right that BB has never done anything right when it comes to the draft, free agency or winning

In his first 5 years, Bill did more right than wrong.

In his last 5 years, he's done more wrong than right.

That's why this is a franchise in decline, and will continue to decline as long as Bill has final & unquestioned say on personnel matters, and the coordinators of his undermanned & underpaid coaching staff are inexperienced, subservient lackeys.

 

[the wrothbroughterer]

In his first 5 years, Bill did more right than wrong.

In his last 5 years, he's done more wrong than right.

That's why this is a franchise in decline, and will continue to decline as long as Bill has final & unquestioned say on personnel matters, and the coordinators of his undermanned & underpaid coaching staff are inexperienced, subservient lackeys.

When a 2 conference games, a SB appearance, 4 playoff appearances, and a 59-21 record (all in the past 5 years) doesn't cut it for you I think you need to re-evaluate what you consider success.

 

[furley]

As I'd said, what's wrong with beginning a new dynasty. This is the start of a new decade.

New England must focus on drafting well in the next two drafts and keeping pace with the Jets. Ideally, Belichick's efforts in free agency will be better than recently. And above all, stay positive as a Patriots fan. Stop dwelling on this whole it's an end of a dynasty thing. The Patriots aren't going to be picking in the top three of the draft for the foreseeable future so why think of them now as being among the have-nots. I mean they've fallen but not that far. New England will pick themselves up and the national media will jock them again. Watch, they'll be singing the praises of Belichick once more.

 

[ausbacker]

When a 2 conference games, a SB appearance, 4 playoff appearances, and a 59-21 record (all in the past 5 years) doesn't cut it for you I think you need to re-evaluate what you consider success.

Success in New England is measured by Superbowl wins in some fan's mentality the wrothbroughterer. We've been useless since 2005 evidently.

 

[Kontradiction]

thodoks wins the thread.

 

[captain stone]

When a 2 conference games, a SB appearance, 4 playoff appearances, and a 59-21 record (all in the past 5 years) doesn't cut it for you I think you need to re-evaluate what you consider success.

From 18-1 to 11-5 to 10-7: would you call that trending toward success?

 

[Rob0729]

In his first 5 years, Bill did more right than wrong.

In his last 5 years, he's done more wrong than right.

That's why this is a franchise in decline, and will continue to decline as long as Bill has final & unquestioned say on personnel matters, and the coordinators of his undermanned & underpaid coaching staff are inexperienced, subservient lackeys.

More wrong than right? Seriously?!? You do realize that only 3 teams have been more successful than the Pats in the last five years? If the Colts don't win it all, it will be four. How exactly is that more wrong than right? I know of 28 other teams who wish they had the type of failure over the past five years that the Pats have had.

As for the Pats declining, it is one bad year (only in New England would a 10-6 record and a division win be considered a bad year). The Pats are in great position to restock this team cap or no cap. They might make this an elite team next year. They might further destroy the team. Until they do anything, Belichick deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Seriously, if you want, you can jump off the bandwagon at any time. Personally, I am tired of spoiled Patriots fans cry about anything short of Super Bowl wins. Yes, this year was not up to what we have seen during the highs of this past decade, but so was 2002 and the Pats rebounded just nicely from that.

Until Belichick gives us multiple years in a row of missing the playoffs with Brady at the helm, shouldn't we stop turning on the guy? Yes, he has made some mistakes, but he made mistakes during the Super Bowl years too and overcame them. He might do the same thing this offseason.

 

[Rob0729]

From 18-1 to 11-5 to 10-7: would you call that trending toward success?

It's not exactly a total collapse either. If there is a cap, the Pats could have $40-50 million of cap space. If there is no cap, their real dollar payroll is like $30 million below their lowest real dollar payroll in the last 5 years and like $60 million below their highest. The Pats have plenty of room to fix their problems.

 

[Patjew]

I'm now opening threads just to read the tags.

 

[Brady2Welker]

I'm now opening threads just to read the tags.

Agreed, too funny.

 

[Brettlax3434]

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Well, the big difference is that the Yankees went to a quarter billion dollar payroll and stayed "in contention." The Pats are need to live with a cap and that always makes it hard to keep the stable full.

Also, if the Patriots go the way of the Yankees (I think I just threw up in my mouth) then what is the NFL equivalent to blowing Game 4 up 1 run in the 9th inning with a 3-0 series lead...then systematically losing the next 3 games to go down as history's biggest chokers?

He compared them to the 2001 Yankee's, not the 2004 Yankees, and between that time span the Yankees had made it to two American league championships and one world series. I like the comparison, hope he is right.