Mayo OLB

[Warren94]

Now hear me out..Please

Mayo played OLB in College Sophomore season. thoughts of moving him to the outside and drafting an ilb..


Thanks in advance.

 

[BritPat]

Now hear me out..Please

Mayo played OLB in College Sophomore season. thoughts of moving him to the outside and drafting an ilb..


Thanks in advance.

He played OLB in the 4-3 his soph season, but was seen as an impact MLB and was moved there for his junior year. And he was outstanding. The guy is a 4-3 MLB/3-4 WILB.

If we stay as we are (running the 4-3 or versions thereof) we need to find a 4-3 SLB from somewhere. If it's not McKenzie (who has the traits to play there), then we need to draft one. Eric Norwood maybe?

If we go back to the 3-4 full time, then we need a true SILB. McClain (if only) or Micah Johnson are the standout choices in the draft, whilst you could Draft Norwood and coach him up to play there a la Tedy, or you pick one up from somewhere. Karlos Dansby? (might want a lot of Benjamins) Larry Foote? Omar Gaither? (might be more a candidate for the 4-3 SLB) Chris Gocong? (easy there Box) Rashad Jeanty (has played some MLB, again though might be more a SLB candidate).

I mentioned the other day I'm in the middle of a long winded post about out future, I really do need to get it finished and posted to capture the toughts of others.

 

[WhiZa]

he's actually kind of small for a 3-4 OLB. BB likes them bigger to take OL head on, and taller to bat down those passes. ILB is perfect for him because he is athletic enough to keep up with the RB or TE in space

 

[Badluck]

different schemes BritPat explained it perfectly
although i would like to see MAYO rush the passer more

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Chris Gocong? (easy there Box)

This. And there ain't no easy about it.

 

[sg14]

OK, I fess up,,

Why would a WILB get blasted less by guards than a SILB??

THe photo the other day of Seau and Mayo side by side was starling comparison, Mayo looked like Seau's little brother,,,

 

[Badluck]

OK, I fess up,,

Why would a WILB get blasted less by guards than a SILB??

THe photo the other day of Seau and Mayo side by side was starling comparison, Mayo looked like Seau's little brother,,,

any chance you have a link to the pic?

 

[Canadian Patriot 84]

I think that is a waste of 2 years of work with Mayo inside.

I think there are better OLB prospects in this draft and it would be much easier to draft one of them then get a new guy to go inside and learn out defense from there.

CP

 

[sg14]

any chance you have a link to the pic?

Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis - Boston.com

Boston Globe, Extra Points, Jan 14th

 

[BritPat]

OK, I fess up,,

Why would a WILB get blasted less by guards than a SILB??

You'll find the SILB closer to the LOS typically, with the WILB holding in case it's a passing play. The job of the SILB is generally a run stopping one, with the opposition TE lining up on that side there's a chance that a Guard will end up blocking down-field for any runner, so your guy on that side needs to be able to stack and shed.

THe photo the other day of Seau and Mayo side by side was starling comparison, Mayo looked like Seau's little brother,,,

I've seen that photo, and to be honest it's not as pronounced as you're saying.

 

[Nonentity]

any chance you have a link to the pic?

Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis - Boston.com

Boston Globe, Extra Points, Jan 14th

This one?

 

[satz]

Mayo going against tackles is a sure shot for a career ending injury.
He is too small.He is smaller then junior who is too small to play OLB in a 3-4.

iF is lines up as OLB you do not have the power hold the edge and will see RB gain 6-8 yds running on his side.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Mayo going against tackles is a sure shot for a career ending injury.
He is too small.He is smaller then junior who is too small to play OLB in a 3-4.

iF is lines up as OLB you do not have the power hold the edge and will see RB gain 6-8 yds running on his side.

Mayo is at best, a poor SILB in our defense. He needs protection to run around and make tackles. (He is not a playmaker by any stretch of the imagination.)

Look at Mayo lined up beside Seau. Notice how much thicker Seau is through the truck, thighs, arms and calves. We need a young Ted Johnson or a young Seau type to man the SILB. Move Mayo to SILB and give him one season to actually make a play. If he can not do it, then draft Hightower in the 2011 class and send Mayo to ST or Detroit.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

That's a 2008 picture folks.

 

[Badluck]

This one?

wow, i wasnt on the brandon spikes bandwagon before but now i am

 

[Snake Eyes]

Mayo is also standing a few feet behind Seau relative to the cameraman, look how the numbers on Seau's jersey a tad bigger than those on Mayo's. According to the official records Seau has 2 inches and 5lbs on Mayo, nothing to write home about.

 

[sg14]

You'll find the SILB closer to the LOS typically, with the WILB holding in case it's a passing play. The job of the SILB is generally a run stopping one, with the opposition TE lining up on that side there's a chance that a Guard will end up blocking down-field for any runner, so your guy on that side needs to be able to stack and shed.

I've seen that photo, and to be honest it's not as pronounced as you're saying.

Thanks, but am still confused, the two LBs line up side by side, so how so you know where the runner is coming from? Is it a game of percentages , there are more runs to the strong side? I wonder what those percentages are?
And I would think you would like to have a LB on the strong side capable of running with the TE, if he is 3 down player. This probably is a HOF player like Seau when in his prime, i.e. do everything.
Thanks again.

Nonentity=> This one? That's the picture.

Box=>That's a 2008 picture folks.
So how does Mayo get wider, I would think it's a drastic difference in how their built, their frame structure, not muscle mass. On a different slant I would preferr "farmboy" strength over weight room strength, I think Seau has that natural strength.
I am not complaining about Mayo, he gets his shots in during the game, but he looks smaller than the Seau, Ray Lewis types.

Hypothetical question, would a team be better with two Bruschis, or one Bruschi and one Ted Johnson?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Thanks, but am still confused, the two LBs line up side by side, so how so you know where the runner is coming from? Is it a game of percentages , there are more runs to the strong side? I wonder what those percentages are?
And I would think you would like to have a LB on the strong side capable of running with the TE, if he is 3 down player. This probably is a HOF player like Seau when in his prime, i.e. do everything.
Thanks again.

Nonentity=> This one? That's the picture.

Box=>That's a 2008 picture folks.
So how does Mayo get wider, I would think it's a drastic difference in how their built, their frame structure, not muscle mass. On a different slant I would preferr "farmboy" strength over weight room strength, I think Seau has that natural strength.
I am not complaining about Mayo, he gets his shots in during the game, but he looks smaller than the Seau, Ray Lewis types.

Hypothetical question, would a team be better with two Bruschis, or one Bruschi and one Ted Johnson?

Bruschi had terrific hands developed as a DL, that allowed him to literally slip the block and eel around the OL and into the hole. After his stroke he wasn't as agile and was more often locked up by the OL. To answer the last question, two Bru's in their prime would be outstanding.

It isn't just strength that allows Seau to be more effective, he's also developed terrific hands, and he's got an eye for indicators that allow his instincts to move him before he's consciously thought about it. Mayo and Guyton are getting stronger, they both look thicker from 2008, and they showed some improvement with their hands over 2008. They will get better, the question is how well will they pick up their understanding of the game so their reads become more instinctive? Frankly I thought the 2009 Guyton showed the most progress compared to Mayo, though the knee made that harder to judge.

Tedy is in the Mayo/Guyton will succeed camp - I think that's endorsement enough for now,

 

[BritPat]

Thanks, but am still confused, the two LBs line up side by side, so how so you know where the runner is coming from? Is it a game of percentages , there are more runs to the strong side? I wonder what those percentages are?

The stats I think are available on the Football Outsiders website (check the O-line stats page). I think I'm right in saying that every team runs mostly Centre/RG, and really that's the way it's balanced - in the 3-4 you'll normally (hopefully) have your RDE doubled by the LT and LG, your NT doubled by the C and A.N.Other (used to be the RG, but more and more it's the FB especially in today's game), and then you'll see the LDE doubled by the RT and TE - meaning your RG is free to block down-field. It doesn't always work like that, but it typically does. That's why the left side of the defense is called the strongside and you'll normally have your best run defenders there.

And I would think you would like to have a LB on the strong side capable of running with the TE, if he is 3 down player. This probably is a HOF player like Seau when in his prime, i.e. do everything.
Thanks again.

That's where the WILB and the Safeties come in. The SS should line up on the strong side ready to play the run or the pass (think Rodney at his very best), whilst the WILB should be ready to cover anything underneath. That's as far as I understand it anyway. I'm sure some of the guys on here who know way more than I do could put you exactly straight.

 

[BritPat]

sg14, not sure if you're watching the Divisional game in New Orleans, but watch the Cards who are playing 3-4, and watch where both teams are running.