PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next - new CBA too?

[Rob0729]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

There is already a rookie cap. A rookie pay scale would likely end up costing us MORE rather than less in the second round, if the scale even goes beyond the first round.

First, if the league gets their way, none of the higher rounds will cost them more for a pick. They are offering the players a chance to get to free agency quicker in return of making rookie salaries across the board less. I don't there will be a second round exception. My guess if there is a chance that salaries increase after a certain round, it won't be in the first two.

Second, my point is that with all those second round picks and a tighter rookie cap, it makes it more advantageous for the Pats to package picks and move up into the first round and get several first round picks or a top 10 pick by moving up their first pick packaged with a second rounder or two.

 

[mgteich]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

Let me make this rally simple. There is a rookie cap which is a total of a rookie cap for all rounds. There is an absoltely outragious amount being spent on the first 10 picks of the first round, and probably too much on the next 10.

THE APPARANT PROPOSAL BY OWNERS
is to reduce the total rookie cap and too have a rookie salary scale at least for some rounds. Their bottom line is to spend less on rookies.
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THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITIES
that will include spending less rookies and reducing the ridiculous price for the top 10.
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THE AGREEMENT HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED
I will tell you now that it is unlikely to be signed if it means a decrease for every rookie no matter where he is drafted. It is clear that those drafted in the 3rd and later are being underpaid. Some of the excess being paid to the top 10 can be used to increase salaries for those drafted later, or not. The players are not just going to give up revenues.

First, if the league gets their way, none of the higher rounds will cost them more for a pick. They are offering the players a chance to get to free agency quicker in return of making rookie salaries across the board less. I don't there will be a second round exception. My guess if there is a chance that salaries increase after a certain round, it won't be in the first two.

Second, my point is that with all those second round picks and a tighter rookie cap, it makes it more advantageous for the Pats to package picks and move up into the first round and get several first round picks or a top 10 pick by moving up their first pick packaged with a second rounder or two.

 

[Urgent]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next - new CBA to

The original article quoted says the NFLPA responded with several unacceptable proposals.

Sure, we will agree to a rookie cap.
All you have to agree to is to extend the currently unacceptable CBA, and agree to pay veterans out of your pocket, and agree to cap rookie deals at three years.

Not likely.

 

[mgteich]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next - new CBA to

I would suggest that it is in the interest of the vast majority of members of NFLPA to have a first round rookie scale with the same rookie CAP as this year. There might even be rookie MIN as well as a cap.

And just BTW, there is a rookie cap now.

The original article quoted says the NFLPA responded with several unacceptable proposals.

Sure, we will agree to a rookie cap.
All you have to agree to is to extend the currently unacceptable CBA, and agree to pay veterans out of your pocket, and agree to cap rookie deals at three years.

Not likely.

 

[muzz]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next - new CBA to

I really do not like this... many folks do not even reach their prime in this time.. go back to minimum of 5 years..

At LEAST 4 years, 3 years is nowhere close to enough time, especially if there is an injury.....
for the NFLPA to even suggest this is outright bogus, they know the real deal, and that tells me that they are not bargaining in faith, but in BS.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

Let me make this rally simple. There is a rookie cap which is a total of a rookie cap for all rounds. There is an absoltely outragious amount being spent on the first 10 picks of the first round, and probably too much on the next 10.

THE APPARANT PROPOSAL BY OWNERS
is to reduce the total rookie cap and too have a rookie salary scale at least for some rounds. Their bottom line is to spend less on rookies.
======================
THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITIES
that will include spending less rookies and reducing the ridiculous price for the top 10.
======================
THE AGREEMENT HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED
I will tell you now that it is unlikely to be signed if it means a decrease for every rookie no matter where he is drafted. It is clear that those drafted in the 3rd and later are being underpaid. Some of the excess being paid to the top 10 can be used to increase salaries for those drafted later, or not. The players are not just going to give up revenues.

We don't know how it will be panned out. I am betting the owners will want to have a reduction in pay in at least the first two rounds although they might accept status quo in the second. They might consider raising the pay scale in subsequent rounds. More likely than not, they will be more willing to give in on length to free agency, size and/or restrictions of tender offers to RFAs, and things of that nature than salaries in the first few rounds. I could be wrong.

Besides, my original point stands that with all the extra picks, the Pats may decide it is more advantageous to use their first and second round picks and move up and get a stud in the top 10 if there is a salary cap or use picks to get multiple first rounders this year.

 

[fester]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

The whole is idea is NOT to reduce rookie salaries. Then whole idea is reduce the salary of the top 10 rookies in each draft who are now being paid way too much.

Outside of the first round, rookies playing under rookie contracts are a inexpensive source of labor for all teams.

Hell out of the Top-15 or so, the rookie contracts are cheap contracts (assuming players play close to their projections, or at least as competent NFL starters by Year 3). For instance, Vollmer is costing under $4 million for four years TOTAL, try finding a competent left tackle for less than $4 million over two years on the free agent market; you won't unless you hit the jackpot on some practice squad wash-out.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

The whole is idea is NOT to reduce rookie salaries. Then whole idea is reduce the salary of the top 10 rookies in each draft who are now being paid way too much.

Outside of the first round, rookies playing under rookie contracts are a inexpensive source of labor for all teams.

Actually, the idea is clearly to reduce rookie salaries, at least if the article is accurate:

a commitment by the owners to match the payment to the retired players arising from the contribution flowing from the savings in rookie pay.

 

[mgteich]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

You might do the math. Start with very high percentage decrease for Pick 1 and move donw through the first round. Take that cash and create two pots, one for retirees and the other for 3rd round and later draft choices. You will find that the toal rookie saleries have been decreased and retiree pay has gone up.

Actually, the idea is clearly to reduce rookie salaries, at least if the article is accurate:

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

You might do the math. Start with very high percentage decrease for Pick 1 and move donw through the first round. Take that cash and create two pots, one for retirees and the other for 3rd round and later draft choices. You will find that the toal rookie saleries have been decreased and retiree pay has gone up.

I have done the math. Perhaps you think that the top 10 teams will just be forking over all that excess money while leaving the lower 20+ out of it, relatively speaking?

 

[mgteich]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

if there is a rookie scale for the first round, more monies will be available for the rest of the rookies, even if the total pot is decreased in order to give more to retireees.

I have done the math. Perhaps you think that the top 10 teams will just be forking over all that excess money while leaving the lower 20+ out of it, relatively speaking?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

Besides, my original point stands that with all the extra picks, the Pats may decide it is more advantageous to use their first and second round picks and move up and get a stud in the top 10 if there is a salary cap or use picks to get multiple first rounders this year.

The size of the rookie salary cap, such as the one the Pats had to work with this past year, varies from team to team; the more picks a team has, and the earlier they come in the draft, the higher the team's rookie cap. Strictly speaking, there is no inherent advantage, from a salary cap standpoint, to trading up or down

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next - new CBA to

IDK if this is good or bad! On one hand maybe BB will look to trade up because the price tag for that elite player that he might have his eye on isnt as bad but on the other, maybe teams or more reluctant to hold on to their higher picks and not risk trading down to save money. Non the less its gonna be interesting to see what they're gonna do.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: PFT: NFL, NFLPA looking into changing rookie pay THIS year, not next

if there is a rookie scale for the first round, more monies will be available for the rest of the rookies, even if the total pot is decreased in order to give more to retireees.

There is already a "rookie scale" for the entire draft..... The current draft contains a soft cap within a soft cap within a hard cap. And, if the total pot is decreased, then

The whole is idea is NOT to reduce rookie salaries.

falls by the wayside.