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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.are there other changes in the rules related to what teams can do with contracts? Does it leave more creativity with how salaries are structured?
What I want to know is, should the season be uncapped, would the Pats be able to frontload contracts of the people they need to resign? For instance, if we sign Vince to, say, an 8 year, $80 million contract, could we pay him $40-$50 million in the uncapped year and then divide the remaining balance of his contract for the next seven years? Keep in mind that this is just an example. I'm really kind of weak with the financial aspect to pro football.
EDIT: it would also probably do the forum a world of good to have a sticky up for questions pertaining to an uncapped year. Sort of like an FAQ section for the CBA.
Amounts Treated as Signing Bonuses. For purposes of determining Team Salary under the foregoing, the term “signing bonus” shall include:
(5)The difference between the Salary in the second contract year and the first contract year when Salary in the second contract year is less than half the Salary called for in the first year of such Contract;
No, because of this clause in the CBA:
That's called "OATSB," or other amounts treated as signing bonus. It essentially takes that overage from the first year and makes it a signing bonus, meaning it gets pro-rated over the life of the deal.
No, because of this clause in the CBA:
That's called "OATSB," or other amounts treated as signing bonus. It essentially takes that overage from the first year and makes it a signing bonus, meaning it gets pro-rated over the life of the deal.
The frontloading question is the big one, although I wouldn't want the Patriots to do anything drastic like give 50% up front.
Nonetheless, if you could frontload a reasonable amount, then you can set yourself up for a decade of strong football.
Felger kept saying yesterday that there was no way guys like Jerry Jones and the Mara's sign off on a bad deal, ergo the Patriots a FOS with their wait and see approach. I guess he missed what got us all here, owners agreeing to a bad deal rather than no deal back in 2006.
No, because of this clause in the CBA:
That's called "OATSB," or other amounts treated as signing bonus. It essentially takes that overage from the first year and makes it a signing bonus, meaning it gets pro-rated over the life of the deal.
No, because of this clause in the CBA:
That's called "OATSB," or other amounts treated as signing bonus. It essentially takes that overage from the first year and makes it a signing bonus, meaning it gets pro-rated over the life of the deal.
What specifically can they do to make you spread the amount out? Pats1's link only shows you can't cut the salary the next year by more than half.The CBA has planned to make that strategy unworkable if a new CBA continues to feature a cap. And there simply won't be a new CBA absent one from the owners point. You can sign as many big ticket players as you want (unless you are one of the final 8). You just have to be aware that if a cap comes back you will then be in it's hell...You can pay as much as you want up front on new deals, just have to realize if the cap comes back it will be spread across yours as if it's paid over 5 or 6 seasons like it always was. Can't get around it my calling it something else either because the rules anticipated that.
The Pats are waiting for a reason. It makes their lives more complicated in the short run but they don't want to jeopardize their franchise's financial stability in the long run. This is always the approach they have taken to the financial component of the business. Some teams seem less concerned, but then that was always the case in the face of the new or unknown (i.e. the salary cap). The media likes to point to them, but for now their continuing to do business as usual isn't the indicator some want to portray it as of the Pats just being difficult and using the CBA as an excuse.
Felger kept saying yesterday that there was no way guys like Jerry Jones and the Mara's sign off on a bad deal, ergo the Patriots a FOS with their wait and see approach. I guess he missed what got us all here, owners agreeing to a bad deal rather than no deal back in 2006.
What is Mike Lombardi talking about?
“Had they won the game, you and I both know – and all Patriot Nation knows – they weren’t going to win the Super Bowl,” Lombardi said. “If we go to the uncapped year in the National Football League, which all signs indicate we’re headed there, the final eight teams wouldn’t be allowed to sign free agents. They could only replace free agents they lost.
So the final 8 teams can not sign new free agents. Contracts can be frontloaded but not for more than double what is made the next year. There will be no cap next year. Not really sure what the NFL cap situation means, can we go and sign any player to any contract we want? When will we find out what the rules will be for guys signed during the uncapped year as far as counting against the cap once the NFL has a cap again? Does anyone know of a website that explains this that I could look at?
Two things:
(1) A team could still get around this by having the second-year salary equal exactly half the first-year salary.
(2) We have no idea what the new CBA would do with the potential cap hits from the uncapped year, since that rule only applies to the current CBA, which ends after 2010.
What I want to know is, should the season be uncapped, would the Pats be able to frontload contracts of the people they need to resign? For instance, if we sign Vince to, say, an 8 year, $80 million contract, could we pay him $40-$50 million in the uncapped year and then divide the remaining balance of his contract for the next seven years? Keep in mind that this is just an example. I'm really kind of weak with the financial aspect to pro football.
EDIT: it would also probably do the forum a world of good to have a sticky up for questions pertaining to an uncapped year. Sort of like an FAQ section for the CBA.
Right, there has been rumors that the new CBA could "punish" teams that overspent in 2010.
Is 2010 the year of the big trade? Shouldn't teams get into a trading frenzy with an uncapped year?
It's the low risk, high reward option for all teams involved. Small market teams can shed all the salary they want and yet acquire the talent needed to remain competitive. Most large market teams can buy all the high priced talent they want without fear of a new CBA crippling them.
Why deal with a burdensome signing bonus and it's future cap implications when trading make so much sense?