Speculation - Brandon Marshall to be dealt in March

[Rob0729]

He was suspended by the league last year, not by Shanahan. He had off the field issues but was not a bad teammate. This year he was a cancer on the team because of the way he acted during training camp. The guy wanted to be paid and was upset with Cutler being dealt, so he was acting like *****.

The guy can play football. He's an elite talent and if I could trade a 2nd round pick for him, I'd take him in an instant.

Shanahan reportedly hated the guy and he was a problem for him too. In fact, if Shanahan wasn't fired, he planned on trading Marshall.

From ESPN:

Brandon Marshall has had his troubles with new coach Josh McDaniels this year but he wouldn't even be a Denver Bronco if Mike Shanahan had still been around.

Shanahan was planning to dump Marshall after the receiver played in his first Pro Bowl in February, according sources familiar with the former Broncos' coach post-season thoughts. The coach went so far to share his plans with quarterback Jay Cutler, a day before Shanahan himself was surprisingly fired. Cutler was later traded to the Bears by new coach Jo sh McDaniels.

Sources said Shanahan had grown weary with Marshall off the field and even felt he was unreliable on the field, despite leading all NFL receivers with 206 catches for 2,590 yards over the previous two seasons. Shanahan, a source said, felt Marshall had cost the Broncos more victories by his poor route running, dropped passes and his tepid run-blocking efforts. The coach also anticipated some contract problems, a source said.

Shanahan was reasonably certain Marshall would get him value on the trade market but if he had run into a dead end on a deal, sources said he would have considered cutting him outright, as was reported earlier on Sunday.

Sources: Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan planned to jettison Brandon Marshall - ESPN

Yeah, Shanahan loved the guy.

 

[furley]

Why would Denver give up Royal when they will likely be dealing Marshall not to mention hes their best young receiver and Bess isn't going anywhere unless Miami 2007 edition returns hes clearly working out well for them...

I never said that either of those teams would offer New England these players. I said, if I'd a choice... Then these players are my preference in terms of logic.

I mean people on here assume if you say this or that, then it's going to happen. It's just a discussion... My own suggestions or ideas if possible.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

Shanahan reportedly hated the guy and he was a problem for him too. In fact, if Shanahan wasn't fired, he planned on trading Marshall.

From ESPN:




Sources: Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan planned to jettison Brandon Marshall - ESPN

Yeah, Shanahan loved the guy.

Never said he "loved" the guy, just didn't think he had problems getting along with him. McDaniels obviously did.

Regardless of what he did with Shanahan or McDaniels, you are saying you wouldn;t give up a 2nd rounder for a talent like Marshall? A guy like Randy Moss has had his fair share of off the field issues and on field issues, yet he is on the Patriots. Was sentenced to 30 days in jail, caught with marijuana, racially altercation in high school which led to Notre Dame losing interest in him. Immature on and off the field. Had numerous problems on the sidelines with coaches and other players, dogged it in Oakland when the team sucked.

Moss has been a pretty good soldier with us. Obviously he matured at some point down the line. Maybe it's b/c he's playing for a winner again, maybe it's b/c he finally grew up, maybe it's b/c of BB. Regardless, Moss has not been a problem for us at all. If you look at his past the way you are looking at Marshall, he'd be a cancer and a guy you would want no part of. So did you want no part of Moss either? That's worked out pretty well hasn't it?

I believe Marshall will mature like Randy did. I think Marshall is too great of a talent to pass up for a 2nd round pick. How many 2nd round picks are going to turn out to be better than Marshall? The guy is one of the best WR in the league with Orton as his QB, imagine what he could do with Brady. Moss isn't a young guy anymore, he's not going to be around forever. If we have a shot at Marshall for the right price, I would bring him in ASAP.

 

[SVN]

Mike Wallace, Johnny Knox, Austin Collie, Deon Butler, and more, were all taken in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, rounds.

Here's an idea: instead of trading draft picks away for old scrubs, or trading them into next season, etc., draft a few of these guys that showed they can run routes and catch the ball in college. Granted, some will be unable to catch on in the Patriots system, but you have much greater degree of success with training a rookie than you do with a veteran who is set in his ways.

Deion Branch, David Givens, Troy Brown.

Yes, I know about Chad Jackson and Bethel Johnson, both outstanding physical specimens. Next time, just go after the WRs who actually showed they played the position well in college, even if some lack height and others top end speed.

yeah our WR drafts have not worked as much lately...best was branch . even watson idont consider big success . i saw the replay of the texans gametoday and he made an easy catch look difficult ..

 

[Brady2Welker]

Honestly, while we're still paying Moss to stay around, we just need a quality third receiver. Because Marshall will require huge $$ to sign, because he is that talented. Almost 'too' talented for a third, we need to throw money at defense. Not offense. Also I'm not to keen on us shelling out draft picks, for someone who wont benefit us as much as possible because we need to stop focusing on our offense as fans. Lets not forget that although our offense hasn't been potent to the degree of 07' that we're maintaining decent numbers, we need to focus on upgrading our defense, there's young talent out there as proven by the LB's that were rookies this year. Mathews, Cushing, Maloluga(sp). We need dynamic play makers back on defense. And certain ones in this draft are very promising as well as some possible freeagency moves like keeping Bodden around, and getting some other depth back there.

 

[RyanP421]

Shanahan reportedly hated the guy and he was a problem for him too. In fact, if Shanahan wasn't fired, he planned on trading Marshall.

From ESPN:




Sources: Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan planned to jettison Brandon Marshall - ESPN

Yeah, Shanahan loved the guy.

Consider the source......ESPN? ESPN isn't exactly reliable unless it comes straight from Adam Shefter's mouth, and he has only been there for this current season....

 

[Rob0729]

Never said he "loved" the guy, just didn't think he had problems getting along with him. McDaniels obviously did.

Regardless of what he did with Shanahan or McDaniels, you are saying you wouldn;t give up a 2nd rounder for a talent like Marshall? A guy like Randy Moss has had his fair share of off the field issues and on field issues, yet he is on the Patriots. Was sentenced to 30 days in jail, caught with marijuana, racially altercation in high school which led to Notre Dame losing interest in him. Immature on and off the field. Had numerous problems on the sidelines with coaches and other players, dogged it in Oakland when the team sucked.

Moss has been a pretty good soldier with us. Obviously he matured at some point down the line. Maybe it's b/c he's playing for a winner again, maybe it's b/c he finally grew up, maybe it's b/c of BB. Regardless, Moss has not been a problem for us at all. If you look at his past the way you are looking at Marshall, he'd be a cancer and a guy you would want no part of. So did you want no part of Moss either? That's worked out pretty well hasn't it?

I believe Marshall will mature like Randy did. I think Marshall is too great of a talent to pass up for a 2nd round pick. How many 2nd round picks are going to turn out to be better than Marshall? The guy is one of the best WR in the league with Orton as his QB, imagine what he could do with Brady. Moss isn't a young guy anymore, he's not going to be around forever. If we have a shot at Marshall for the right price, I would bring him in ASAP.

I don't want Marshall here under any circusmstances. He is one more girlfrend beatdown from getting suspended indefinitely. And we all know it will happen.

Stop comparing Marshall to Moss. Two different players. Moss had some attitude issues, but he was never a bad person. Marshall is just a scumbag who has jail time in his future because he believes the women in his life are human punching bags. Do you really think Moss' pot case is the same as the repeated times that Mashall has been in trouble with the law for beating different girlfriends? Seriously?

Why do people always bring up Moss or Dillon when discussing scum? Marshall is no Moss or Dillon and never will be. Moss had a few incidents in Minnesota and quit on a team where everyone quit. Marshall is a head case on and off the field and destined for prison at some point in his life.

 

[Rob0729]

Here are the highlights of Marshall's altrications:

2004 - Assaulted a police officer
2007 - Was with Darrent Williams when he was shot. It was rumored that the shooting was a retaliation due to an altrication between the shooter and Marshall and his cousin.
2007 - Arrested for Domestic violence
2007 - DUI
2008 - The Rocky Mountain News reported that the police had been called to his house 11 times since 2006 for domestic violence issues although no charges were ever filed
2008 - Commits misdemeanor battery
2009 - Arrested for disorderly conduct because of a fight between him and his girlfriend

Exactly how is this like Moss and his pot charge and an isolated incident in college. Marshall is a violent person who is a ticking timebomb. He could be the next OJ if he doesn't straighten his life out. Why would you want this scum on this team.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't want Marshall here under any circusmstances. He is one more girlfrend beatdown from getting suspended indefinitely. And we all know it will happen.

Stop comparing Marshall to Moss. Two different players. Moss had some attitude issues, but he was never a bad person. Marshall is just a scumbag who has jail time in his future because he believes the women in his life are human punching bags. Do you really think Moss' pot case is the same as the repeated times that Mashall has been in trouble with the law for beating different girlfriends? Seriously?

Why do people always bring up Moss or Dillon when discussing scum? Marshall is no Moss or Dillon and never will be. Moss had a few incidents in Minnesota and quit on a team where everyone quit. Marshall is a head case on and off the field and destined for prison at some point in his life.

In his younger years, Dillon was also accused of domestic assault. He also drove around hammered a few times. His jacket is A LOT thicker than Moss'. Dillon turned his life around. You can't say that Marshall is incapable of the same but as of right now it doesn't look good.

Bengals' Dillon Arrested - CBS News

The difference here is that Dillon already turned the corner on his personal life before coming to the Pats and was desperate to re-brand himself.

With regard to Marshall. Great talent. Problem is that he seems a bit troubled and certainly carries great risk when considering that he wants big-time dollars. I'm not worried about the draft pick. I'm worried about giving him big money and hamstringing the team when this guy goes in the tank for insubordination or off-the-field issues.

My .02$

 

[Rob0729]

In his younger years, Dillon was also accused of domestic assault. He also drove around hammered a few times. His jacket is A LOT thicker than Moss'. Dillon turned his life around. You can't say that Marshall is incapable of the same but as of right now it doesn't look good.

Bengals' Dillon Arrested - CBS News

The difference here is that Dillon already turned the corner on his personal life before coming to the Pats and was desperate to re-brand himself.

With regard to Marshall. Great talent. Problem is that he seems a bit troubled and certainly carries great risk when considering that he wants big-time dollars. I'm not worried about the draft pick. I'm worried about giving him big money and hamstringing the team when this guy goes in the tank for insubordination or off-the-field issues.

My .02$

Dillon was a scumbag when he was young, but put his past long behind him before he became a Patriot. Marshall has shown no growth whatsoever. If Marshall three years from shows similiar growth, I would change my decision.

I am well aware of Dillon's past, but by the time he came to the Patriots it was the past. Also, Dillon was good for one year and was a cancer in the locker room for the next two. Not exactly the guy I would want other than a one or two year deal.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Dillon was a scumbag when he was young, but put his past long behind him before he became a Patriot. Marshall has shown no growth whatsoever. If Marshall three years from shows similiar growth, I would change my decision.

We agree. Just pointing out that people can rehabilitate themselves before it's too late.

I am well aware of Dillon's past, but by the time he came to the Patriots it was the past. Also, Dillon was good for one year and was a cancer in the locker room for the next two. Not exactly the guy I would want other than a one or two year deal.

Yea I'm not sure what Dillon's problem was in 05 and 06. He got what was essentially a 2-year extension @ $5m per. Won a SB. he had the world by the you-know-whats. My hunch is that he got POed w/ the playcalling and they cut back on his carries b/c he got hurt in TC and was showing his age...Not sure if that is the whole story.

 

[condon84]

Didn't Randy Moss get arrested for bumping a traffic officer with his car?

Dillon was also considered a "cancer" in Cincy.

Also, for the guys suggesting Bess or Royal, what we need is a deep threat. Those guys work the underneath routes, and we have Welker and now Edelman that can do that pretty well.

Moss probably has another two or three good years left. He's not getting any faster and may slow down more than expected in a year. We need another guy that commands attention to open up Welker/Edelman. So trading for a talent like Marshall makes sense. I would give up a second and a third for him.

 

[Patjew]

Yea I'm not sure what Dillon's problem was in 05 and 06. He got what was essentially a 2-year extension @ $5m per. Won a SB. he had the world by the you-know-whats. My hunch is that he got POed w/ the playcalling and they cut back on his carries b/c he got hurt in TC and was showing his age...Not sure if that is the whole story.

And then he just kind of faded away after 2006. It was really weird.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

We agree. Just pointing out that people can rehabilitate themselves before it's too late.



Yea I'm not sure what Dillon's problem was in 05 and 06. He got what was essentially a 2-year extension @ $5m per. Won a SB. he had the world by the you-know-whats. My hunch is that he got POed w/ the playcalling and they cut back on his carries b/c he got hurt in TC and was showing his age...Not sure if that is the whole story.

By 2005, he was nearing the dreaded RB 30. Also, I lived in Cincy during his time and he carried the ball alot. I would say his experience is similiar to Eddie George and what classy LT is currently experiencing.

WR typically breakdown around 35 so a WR in his late 20's isn't like a RB. Marshall is still younger so he has two options.

Get the big bucks now (Shanahan/ Redskins)

Look for rehibilitation with a team like the Pats and bank big bucks for several years.

If Faulk is correct, I wonder what Gaffney would tell him about BB helping WR careers.

 

[102 Pat]

I'd take him for a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure BB can keep him in line, if not, have Wilfork sit on him...

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm pretty sure BB can keep him in line, if not, have Wilfork sit on him...

He'd be IRed if Wilfork sat on him

 

[Rob0729]

We agree. Just pointing out that people can rehabilitate themselves before it's too late.



Yea I'm not sure what Dillon's problem was in 05 and 06. He got what was essentially a 2-year extension @ $5m per. Won a SB. he had the world by the you-know-whats. My hunch is that he got POed w/ the playcalling and they cut back on his carries b/c he got hurt in TC and was showing his age...Not sure if that is the whole story.

Except Marshall shows no signs of rehabilitating himself. Also, players who do actually rehabilitate themselves are rare. Most of these guys have been treated like gods and had their transgressions swept under the rug their entire lives that they think they are better than anyone else and above the law. Dillon had one offense after he entered the NFL. Marshall has had dozens including other things I didn't mention like putting his hand through a TV when he slipped on a McDonalds bag "wrestling" with family members.

As for Dillon, he was very surly after 2004. He was reported to be a loner in the lockerroom and very contentious with the press. In 2006, his wrist got more of a workout than his legs from him waving himself out after every running play.

 

[PittPatriot]

Moss is on the last year of his deal and who knows if Welker will ever be the same coming back from a serious injury. We need a WR for the future.

I'd take a chance at Marshall but he is going to cost more than a 2nd round pick. Even with his prima donna attitude he's still worth a 1st round pick.

I agree.
Heck, give him a lucrative 1 year deal if we have to - What will defenses do when we roll out Moss/Marshall/Welker in a 3 receiver set and Falk in the backfield on 3rd down?
It is obvious the days of getting by with Givens/Branch/JAG are over...Brady's number without Welker are not impressive as he goes to binky#2 who is always double-covered.

 

[Rob0729]

I agree.
Heck, give him a lucrative 1 year deal if we have to - What will defenses do when we roll out Moss/Marshall/Welker in a 3 receiver set and Falk in the backfield on 3rd down?
It is obvious the days of getting by with Givens/Branch/JAG are over...Brady's number without Welker are not impressive as he goes to binky#2 who is always double-covered.

Not against getting another top flight WR, but not Marshall. There are better options without the baggage.

 

[dhamz]

Can we at least only compare the Moss/Dillon trades to players who are somewhat similar? Every problem child that goes on the trading block gets theads on this board that say "BB brought in Dillon/Moss, why not player X."

The situations are not similar other than Marshall like Moss and Dillon has talent and is available for trade.

Moss and Dillon were veteran players who had already made a ton of money and were stuck on the worst franchise in football and dying to get out. Moss restructured his deal and gave up millions. Both essentially came in with 1 year commitments from the Pats.

Brandon Marshall is a 25 year old who has never gotten a big contract. He's not stuck on a terrible franchise and he hasn't made his $. His main issue in Denver isn't they are losing, it is he is looking to get paid big $ long term and they won't commit to him.