OT: Brandon Marshall benched for season finale

[Jangles]

Answer me this:

Would Wes Welker do the same thing?

Welker will never, not once, even dream of having a contract similar to Marshalls.

But no, I doubt that he would

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

Yeah, let's bring in Brandon Marshall so that when he is the third target on 85% of the passing plays he can just sit and pout.

Some guys you can change, some you can't. I don't think anyone can change Marshall. Just like Terrell Owens. He hasn't said anything really nasty, but he knows he's done if he does. So he's being an undercover "good boy"

Randy Moss had a rep, but I've always been a believer that all he wants to do is win.

Ultimately, I guess it's either these people get it, or they don't. Look at DeSean Jackson of the Eagles - he had loads of attitude problems et al coming out of college, but he's been successful b/c he's gotten it and bought into Andy Reid's system.

Or look at Corey Dillon with you guys - locker room cancer with the Bengals, but he eventually got it when he landed with you guys.

 

[Triggerfish]

You find a lot out more about a players character when a team is losing or backed into a corner than you do when it's winning. More often than not it's a teams core and not elite talent than pulls it through when everyone else has given up on it, and selfish egos as opposed to lack of talent that tear it down when it otherwise still had a shot. Coaches deal with the issue differently, level of talent and desperation of situation frequently being the determining factors, but they all know it exists.

Left to his own devices Marshall probably would have seriously screwed the pooch on his own career this season out of the gate. Josh allowed for him to shine to the tune of a pro bowl selection. But now that it appears he got his and the team may fall short of their's, he's gonna act out. Wouldn't want him here for that reason. Our transitional core is a little fragile yet for dealing with self absorbed problem children.

He will be a RFA unless a new CBA is agreed to. Either way Denver will trade him and draft for a replacement because they know now talent aside you can't win with him. Someone more desperate to will choose to overlook character and believe they can. Although heading into a potential lockout season in 2011 he may be disappointed at the terms of any deal he gets.

I think you might be giving McDaniel's too much credit here. Josh "got his" too. That club was in total disarray coming into this season, after HE came in and ran Cutler outta town. And although I agree that Cutler could have handled it better, I'd have been pissed too if I were in his shoes, with the way McDaniels handled everything. Let's call a spade a spade though. There was no way in hell McDaniels was keeping Marshall sidelined long. He needed some redemption from the organization and the fans too, and he knew that likely wasn't possible without his star WR. This isn't a case of a coach being all sweet and charitable and letting the poor troubled player have another shot. It was just as much about saving his own ***** and therefore benefited him just as much (if not more) than Marshall. This whole thing between those two this season seems like a couple of schoolyard bullies who like to get their way, having a "stand-off" at the monkey bars at recess. Regardless, both sides will likely get their way in the end. McDaniels will be rid of his "nuisance" player, and Marshall will get out of Denver and get paid. It's such a happy ending, I'm tearing up a little.

 

[Patspsycho]

Put yourself in Marshall's shoes for a second. It was a smart move on his part. He's not going to risk millions of dollars for one game. All it takes is one play. There's no argument here, you'd do the same thing. Had the Broncos paid him the money he deserves, he'd play.

Not when you have a chance to make a play for the postseason.

 

[RayClay]

No such thing in the NFL. It's all about wins and losses.

Really? I think most successful organizations do have some integrity. It's not impossible to win by signing thugs, but it's more difficult IMO..

 

[jmt57]

Put yourself in Marshall's shoes for a second. It was a smart move on his part. He's not going to risk millions of dollars for one game. All it takes is one play. There's no argument here, you'd do the same thing. Had the Broncos paid him the money he deserves, he'd play.

But by the same token, then why would any team want to sign him? Who wants a player that in a do or die game is solely focused on not playing, in order to insure no injury to himself with zero regards to the team, so that he can then get a big contract playing elsewhere?

 

[Deus Irae]

I think you might be giving McDaniel's too much credit here. Josh "got his" too. That club was in total disarray coming into this season, after HE came in and ran Cutler outta town. And although I agree that Cutler could have handled it better, I'd have been pissed too if I were in his shoes, with the way McDaniels handled everything. Let's call a spade a spade though. There was no way in hell McDaniels was keeping Marshall sidelined long. He needed some redemption from the organization and the fans too, and he knew that likely wasn't possible without his star WR. This isn't a case of a coach being all sweet and charitable and letting the poor troubled player have another shot. It was just as much about saving his own ***** and therefore benefited him just as much (if not more) than Marshall. This whole thing between those two this season seems like a couple of schoolyard bullies who like to get their way, having a "stand-off" at the monkey bars at recess. Regardless, both sides will likely get their way in the end. McDaniels will be rid of his "nuisance" player, and Marshall will get out of Denver and get paid. It's such a happy ending, I'm tearing up a little.

McDaniels was fine in the Cutler saga, and this season has proven him right in his assessment of that diabetic drunk of a QB to the tune of a 6-9 record with a 23/26 touchdown/interceptions ratio. Cutler was proven a liar during that whole thing, and McDaniels wasn't even the one who finally pulled the trigger.

Hopefully Cutler, and Marshall, will smarten up because they are both very talented players. It doesn't look good for either of them right now, though.

 

[Deus Irae]

Put yourself in Marshall's shoes for a second. It was a smart move on his part. He's not going to risk millions of dollars for one game. All it takes is one play. There's no argument here, you'd do the same thing. Had the Broncos paid him the money he deserves, he'd play.

All it takes is one play in any game, and Marshall has nothing but his piss poor attitude and domestic violence issues to blame for not having a new contract.

This was a mild hamstring injury, not a shredded knee.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Answer me this:
Would Wes Welker do the same thing?

He's not on the brink of free agency, so no.

But by the same token, then why would any team want to sign him? Who wants a player that in a do or die game is solely focused on not playing, in order to insure no injury to himself with zero regards to the team, so that he can then get a big contract playing elsewhere?

We say that all the time, yet teams sign these types of players all the time. It's a business.

Not when you have a chance to make a play for the postseason.

They are not making the playoffs. They need to win and the Jets and Ravens to lose. If it was a win and you're in scenario, Marshall would play, but that is not the case. They need lots of help.

 

[Triggerfish]

McDaniels was fine in the Cutler saga, and this season has proven him right in his assessment of that diabetic drunk of a QB to the tune of a 6-9 record with a 23/26 touchdown/interceptions ratio. Cutler was proven a liar during that whole thing, and McDaniels wasn't even the one who finally pulled the trigger.

Hopefully Cutler, and Marshall, will smarten up because they are both very talented players. It doesn't look good for either of them right now, though.

I don't think it's fair to compare Cutler with Denver to Cutler in his first season with Chicago. I mean, obviously he hasn't had a great year, but he has a lot less support around him in that system. I mean, Hester is his #1. Enough said. (this doesn't even mention their crappy O-line and lack of a running game, etc.) Like I said, I don't think either of them handled the situation well, but I certainly can't blame Cutler for being pissed given the circumstances. He had a good year, and suddenly his new coach is trying to bring in a backup QB from his old team?? That wouldn't sit well with me either.

I'm also not saying that Marshall isn't a bit of a headcase, but I think of alot of it comes down to he and McDaniels just simply don't like each other. call it a personality conflict or whatever, but it seems that they just butt heads. I'm sure the bitterness of not getting the deal he wanted isn't helping that relationship either (whether or not he deserved it).

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I think you might be giving McDaniel's too much credit here. Josh "got his" too. That club was in total disarray coming into this season, after HE came in and ran Cutler outta town. And although I agree that Cutler could have handled it better, I'd have been pissed too if I were in his shoes, with the way McDaniels handled everything. Let's call a spade a spade though. There was no way in hell McDaniels was keeping Marshall sidelined long. He needed some redemption from the organization and the fans too, and he knew that likely wasn't possible without his star WR. This isn't a case of a coach being all sweet and charitable and letting the poor troubled player have another shot. It was just as much about saving his own ***** and therefore benefited him just as much (if not more) than Marshall. This whole thing between those two this season seems like a couple of schoolyard bullies who like to get their way, having a "stand-off" at the monkey bars at recess. Regardless, both sides will likely get their way in the end. McDaniels will be rid of his "nuisance" player, and Marshall will get out of Denver and get paid. It's such a happy ending, I'm tearing up a little.

You know nothing about Josh or Marshall for that matter because you're a Steeler troll who is apparently here because there is nothing much to say about your reiging champs this season beyond "FORE". That's because your own HC had his issues with his team this season and he didn't get them worked out sufficiently because when he bellowed nobody listened and instead guys started pointing fingers. Josh was wise to get rid of Cutler. He cannot play in this system, and perhaps not in any to the tune of a franchise deal. He tried to salvage Marshall by showing him how it could be. Thing is at his heart Marshall is a self-absorbed little prick and most teams are better off without them regardless of talent. If a guy won't put in the effort to get on the field for whatever reason when your season is on the line, he is cheating his teamates of their collective effort. That is why a guy like Wilfork won't play those games over injuries or his contract. He's a man and he signed his name on a piece of paper and more importantly he told his teamates they could count on him win or lose when their livlihoods and careers are on the line same as his. It's a team game and at the end of the day well coached, teams comprised largely of determined and selfless players win championships, not individuals irrespective of talent who play as they want or when it suits them.

 

[Deus Irae]

You know nothing about Josh or Marshall for that matter because you're a Steeler troll who is apparently here because there is nothing much to say about your reiging champs this season beyond "FORE". That's because your own HC had his issues with his team this season and he didn't get them worked out sufficiently because when he bellowed nobody listened and instead guys started pointing fingers. Josh was wise to get rid of Cutler. He cannot play in this system, and perhaps not in any to the tune of a franchise deal. He tried to salvage Marshall by showing him how it could be. Thing is at his heart Marshall is a self-absorbed little prick and most teams are better off without them regardless of talent. If a guy won't put in the effort to get on the field for whatever reason when your season is on the line, he is cheating his teamates of their collective effort. That is why a guy like Wilfork won't play those games over injuries or his contract. He's a man and he signed his name on a piece of paper and more importantly he told his teamates they could count on him win or lose when their livlihoods and careers are on the line same as his. It's a team game and at the end of the day well coached, teams comprised largely of determined and selfless players win championships, not individuals irrespective of talent who play as they want or when it suits them.

Trigger's been a good poster, Mo.......

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think it's fair to compare Cutler with Denver to Cutler in his first season with Chicago. I mean, obviously he hasn't had a great year, but he has a lot less support around him in that system. I mean, Hester is his #1. Enough said. (this doesn't even mention their crappy O-line and lack of a running game, etc.) Like I said, I don't think either of them handled the situation well, but I certainly can't blame Cutler for being pissed given the circumstances. He had a good year, and suddenly his new coach is trying to bring in a backup QB from his old team?? That wouldn't sit well with me either.

I'm also not saying that Marshall isn't a bit of a headcase, but I think of alot of it comes down to he and McDaniels just simply don't like each other. call it a personality conflict or whatever, but it seems that they just butt heads. I'm sure the bitterness of not getting the deal he wanted isn't helping that relationship either (whether or not he deserved it).

Cutler wanted out before McDaniels got there, because Shanahan got the axe. He then lost his mind when McDaniels dared to fire the O.C. from the Shanahan regime. He's also a guy who says "screw the game plan" and starts winging the ball around. As people here who remember that being one of the gripes about Bledsoe can tell you, that doesn't go over well in the Belichick coaching tree.

As for Marshall, his beef isn't even with McDaniels. He's got a two-pronged complaint: a medical screw up about his hip from last year, under Shanahan, and his contract. He's just a head case, as his multitude of legal and other issues serve to demonstrate.

 

[Triggerfish]

Cutler wanted out before McDaniels got there, because Shanahan got the axe. He then lost his mind when McDaniels dared to fire the O.C. from the Shanahan regime. He's also a guy who says "screw the game plan" and starts winging the ball around. As people here who remember that being one of the gripes about Bledsoe can tell you, that doesn't go over well in the Belichick coaching tree.

As for Marshall, his beef isn't even with McDaniels. He's got a two-pronged complaint: a medical screw up about his hip from last year, under Shanahan, and his contract. He's just a head case, as his multitude of legal and other issues serve to demonstrate.

I can respect that opinion. I still think there's more to the Marshall/McDaniels drama than the things you've mentioned. Probably stuff that only the guys in the locker room really know. But hey...that's just my opinion.

 

[RayClay]

No such thing in the NFL. It's all about wins and losses.

It's hard to argue with a 2-7 finish and not playing in the playoff deciding game. That's some good chemistry there, all right.

 

[Triggerfish]

You know nothing about Josh or Marshall for that matter because you're a Steeler troll who is apparently here because there is nothing much to say about your reiging champs this season beyond "FORE". That's because your own HC had his issues with his team this season and he didn't get them worked out sufficiently because when he bellowed nobody listened and instead guys started pointing fingers. Josh was wise to get rid of Cutler. He cannot play in this system, and perhaps not in any to the tune of a franchise deal. He tried to salvage Marshall by showing him how it could be. Thing is at his heart Marshall is a self-absorbed little prick and most teams are better off without them regardless of talent. If a guy won't put in the effort to get on the field for whatever reason when your season is on the line, he is cheating his teamates of their collective effort. That is why a guy like Wilfork won't play those games over injuries or his contract. He's a man and he signed his name on a piece of paper and more importantly he told his teamates they could count on him win or lose when their livlihoods and careers are on the line same as his. It's a team game and at the end of the day well coached, teams comprised largely of determined and selfless players win championships, not individuals irrespective of talent who play as they want or when it suits them.

Can't say if I agree or disagree....you lost me at the first sentence. I may be a lot of things, but a troll isn't one of them. But whatever, think what you want.

But for the record...ignore the "Don't feed the troll" signs. I'd love a peanut butter/fluff sandwich, which I'm now kinda hungry for.

Thanks for the hospitality!

 

[MaxVonDoom]

Something something career receptions for a game...

something something who cares it was one game

 

[MaxVonDoom]

Down with fist pumping Josh mcdouche

 

[Jangles]

something something who cares it was one game

2 actually because he broke his own record

so now we have to care

 

[JMarr]

Thing is at his heart Marshall is a self-absorbed little prick and most teams are better off without them regardless of talent.

Wrong. Marshall saved McDaniel's a** this year. The guy has been other-worldly this season and the Broncos wouldn't even be in the playoff discussion without him IMO. Not giving him the Cutler treatment must have been a bitter pill for Josh to swallow, but ultimately he made the right decision (or was forced to). Now that it's all falling apart on Josh, somebody (Marshall) has to be the scapegoat. What a gutsy move by the boy coach.