Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th

[emoney_33]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Pats made a personnel move and chose X player over Y & Z player. So, X player must be better.

Sometimes that logic works, other times it doesn't.

Well that's why I come here, for you to tell me when that logic doesn't work. I understand you have more insight into these things, and which receiver is better for the NE Patriots is not something that BB would have infinitely more knowledge/information about than you.

 

[condon84]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Well that's why I come here, for you to tell me when that logic doesn't work. I understand you have more insight into these things, and which receiver is better for the NE Patriots is not something that BB would have infinitely more knowledge/information about than you.

ahh yes, the "how dare you question BB's move" crowd. Well then.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

ahh yes, the "how dare you question BB's move" crowd. Well then.

You didn't question anything, you declared Galloway is a better fit than Aiken for the NE Patriots. You have not even 1% of the information, knowledge and experience of anyone who is making these decisions in the Patriots organization. Why would you believe that you are right and he (along with all the others who had input into the decision) is wrong? Oh yea that's right, 6 plays you watched on TV in this one game.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Plus don't forget you are arguing that one pile of crap doesn't smell as bad as the other. None of Galloway, Lewis or Aiken are/were really going to do much in this offense. We really need someone who will.

 

[condon84]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

You didn't question anything, you declared Galloway is a better fit than Aiken for the NE Patriots. You have not even 1% of the information, knowledge and experience of anyone who is making these decisions in the Patriots organization. Why would you believe that you are right and he (along with all the others who had input into the decision) is wrong? Oh yea that's right, 6 plays you watched on TV in this one game.

So with this rationale, guys with information, knowledge, or experience make all the right moves?

 

[emoney_33]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

So with this rationale, guys with information, knowledge, or experience make all the right moves?

Never said that. And that's a pretty bad logical jump. The logic follows that we aren't equipped to come to a better conclusion because we lack so much information. We can discuss what we know, but in the end we have to concede that we don't have all of the information and there is at least the possibility if not the likelihood that they had an at least somewhat valid reason for reaching their decision.

 

[condon84]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Never said that. And that's a pretty bad logical jump. The logic follows that we aren't equipped to come to a better conclusion because we lack so much information. We can discuss what we know, but in the end we have to concede that we don't have all of the information and there is at least the possibility if not the likelihood that they had an at least somewhat valid reason for reaching their decision.

I'm certain they had a valid reason for reaching their decision. Belichick seems like a decisive individual, so I am sure, at the time when they made their analysis, they concluded that it was the "right" move for the team. However, looking at our third WR option now, which is Aiken, and looking back at who we could have had instead, Galloway or Lewis, wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that Galloway or Lewis could be performing better than Aiken?

Both Lewis and Galloway are experienced WRs, used to running routes and catching balls, something Aiken is not accustomed to. At least with Galloway, defenses have to be honest because of his speed and reputation, and with Lewis, he looked like a legit WR in pre-season.

 

[letekro]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Why Galloway isn't getting any run? No clue.

Isn't the simplest explanation likely the best, here? Perhaps he's not good enough, he's lost it, he can't play in the league anymore.

 

[letekro]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

I'm certain they had a valid reason for reaching their decision. Belichick seems like a decisive individual, so I am sure, at the time when they made their analysis, they concluded that it was the "right" move for the team. However, looking at our third WR option now, which is Aiken, and looking back at who we could have had instead, Galloway or Lewis, wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that Galloway or Lewis could be performing better than Aiken?

Both Lewis and Galloway are experienced WRs, used to running routes and catching balls, something Aiken is not accustomed to. At least with Galloway, defenses have to be honest because of his speed and reputation, and with Lewis, he looked like a legit WR in pre-season.

Jerry Rice is also experienced and used to running routes and catching balls, however, he, like Joey, is D-U-N. As for Greg Lewis - perhaps he is marginally better than Aiken as a WR, but he is no major upgrade, and Aiken's special teams value balances that out. I'm sorry, but suggesting that two guys who had an opportunity, and were cut, and have gone on to do absolutely nothing this year would've saved the season is just absurd.

 

[condon84]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Isn't the simplest explanation likely the best, here? Perhaps he's not good enough, he's lost it, he can't play in the league anymore.

It's not that simple.

Why did Delhomme continue playing before he got hurt? Same with JaMarcus?

How come Derrick Brooks isn't playing? Surely he is better than some LBs out there.

 

[condon84]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Jerry Rice is also experienced and used to running routes and catching balls, however, he, like Joey, is D-U-N. As for Greg Lewis - perhaps he is marginally better than Aiken as a WR, but he is no major upgrade, and Aiken's special teams value balances that out. I'm sorry, but suggesting that two guys who had an opportunity, and were cut, and have gone on to do absolutely nothing this year would've saved the season is just absurd.

Nowhere did I say that they would have saved the season. Just suggesting that they would be better options as our 3rd WR than Aiken.

 

[rivers983]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Isn't the simplest explanation likely the best, here? Perhaps he's not good enough, he's lost it, he can't play in the league anymore.

For anybody to be bringing up Joey Galloway at this point is ridiculous...he proved in the first few games of the season he just wasn't going to click with this offense.

Aiken is more valuable on special teams, but he does have the ability to stretch the field and really should have caught the pass in question here - although the official who was standing right there missed a blatant pass interference call.

 

[letekro]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

Nowhere did I say that they would have saved the season. Just suggesting that they would be better options as our 3rd WR than Aiken.

They all suck. They're all doing nothing in the league this year. Aiken is better on special teams and that's why he's here. Can we all just agree on that and put this to bed?

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

They all suck. They're all doing nothing in the league this year. Aiken is better on special teams and that's why he's here. Can we all just agree on that and put this to bed?

Why should people agree on it when it's a terrible assertion made worse by a followup assumption? Again.... Galloway had 7 catches in just 2 games, while Aiken has just 17 catches in 9 games.

 

[Kulko]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

When Brady chose to throw a long bomb to aiken on 2nd down at the end of the 4th to try to close the game out is one of the major problems we've had this season. better decision making needs to happen. Brady needs to take what the defense gives them. I would have like 3rd and very short alot better than 2nd and long on that series. shortly thereafter we were forced to punt.

i've seen improvement in more calculated drives but they still have moments of trying to swing for a homerun at ill advised times.

this attempt pretty much summed up the season IMO

This is exactly the opposite of how I saw it. In teh first half the Pats would usually mix short and long plays really well, and while a long incompletion might stalla drive sometimes say would mostly march down the field very well.

Then in the fourth to protect the lead they would mostly rely on the run and short pass. The defense would defend the short middle and shout doen Welker and the run game and we were shot.
The long pass to Aiken, was low Percentage, but it helped to create the hole, that Maroney used to seal the game at the two minute warning.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

I think thats what the defense gave Brady and thats who the open guy was. It wasnt a forced throw by any means. I actually thought Aiken could have caught that ball and also PI could have been called

Agreed. There was some extra attention for Moss and Welker so the open guy was Aiken in single coverage.

And I was actually a bit glad to see the long ball to Aiken to try and win the game. Too often, the Pats have been guilty of playing ultra-conservative in the second half in trying to close out games. And as Kulko referenced, it stretched the field so Maroney could take care of business.

In previous games this season, we would have seen 2 conservative runs, then a short pass attempt to Welker to try and see if he can perform a miracle. They went for the win, and I'd like to see more of that.

 

[muzz]

It always seems like Aiken has a guy right inside his shirt, I mean come on man get open, find the seam, shake the defender............your not against the #1 CB for cripes sakes!

 

[Mack Herron]

Aiken's strength is running with the ball, not catching it (especially the deep ball).

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Aiken has made a couple of long TDs this year, so let's not kill him. He was interfeered with on that last one, the guy pulled his hand away just before the ball got there, still he should have come down with it. Once again the loss of Tate is huge. He could have really developed by now (if he was playing).

 

[RobertWeathers]

Once again the loss of Tate is huge. He could have really developed by now (if he was playing).

How do you know this? He didn't have single catch this year. There is nothing to compare.

If anything the biggest killer is the miss on Galloway.