Jets' chances to run the table take huge hit

[BradyFTW!]

Why would someone make up a big compelling case about this lol. It's purely psychological within the player. What else, would every defense in the league figure the QB out in 1 season and that's it? Like I said, if someone's psyche is fragile enough that one bad season kills his confidence completely rather than inspiring him to work on his weaknesses, he's probably not NFL QB material.

Pure conjecture. Not supported by either evidence or any prevailing line of thought among professionals. Just an opinion on my hard, but I think you severely underestimate the role that confidence, knowing what he's doing wrong when he makes mistakes, and reinforcement of good mechanics vs. bad has to do with forming a player.

Guys coming in from college aren't even close to finished products. There are many, many cases, for example, of QBs who come into the league and immediately start behind crappy offensive lines have their internal clocks and confidence permanently ruined, on a fundamental, mechanical level. They never get comfortable standing back in the pocket, planting, confidently looking downfield and throwing, because in all of their in-game experience, that isn't even an option. They know that if they try they'll get drilled. For that reason alone, there are plenty of coaches who won't start their young QBs behind crappy lines.

I'm not going to argue with NFL coaches saying they'd rather sit the QB and make him learn, all I'm saying is if they do make the 'mistake' of starting him too early, whatever psychological downside there is shouldn't outweigh the positives of building the experience and kill his career like people are suggesting it will to Sanchez.

That's a completely different point than what you originally made. There's a huge difference between saying there are no downsides and saying that those downsides are outweighed by the positives. I still disagree with you, but now you have an arguable point.

 

[LRAC]

it's funny how anyone here thinks there's some kind of pattern to a great qb.

hm..maybe he shoulda waited a year and waited for an injury to the starter.

orrr sit behind an avg-solid nfl starter for a few years..or perhaps a legend?

nah let's let him roll around on a few teams and go dominate the north for a little while....maybe even bagging some groceries for extra hand eye coordination?



if you're great you find a way

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

Sunday's Starter (No Surprise) Is Sanchez

They also have to play @Indy - who is shooting for perfection.

The Jets are nothing more than a tease - one minute they're the darlings of the sports world, the next the stinkers of the sports world.

Rememer that 1986 team, which started 10-1, and then fell back to the pack? Although to be fair, they lost 3/4 of their DL. Even Pittsburgh's MARK MALONE lit them up.

 

[BradyFTW!]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ink-jets-have-permanently-ruined-sanchez.html

 

[BradyFTW!]

it's funny how anyone here thinks there's some kind of pattern to a great qb.

hm..maybe he shoulda waited a year and waited for an injury to the starter.

orrr sit behind an avg-solid nfl starter for a few years..or perhaps a legend?

nah let's let him roll around on a few teams and go dominate the north for a little while....maybe even bagging some groceries for extra hand eye coordination?



if you're great you find a way

So coaching, player development, and how you bring guys along doesn't matter? If they're good, they'll become good, and if they're not they won't? You should probably inform all 32 NFL franchises that they no longer need to employ position coaches, then, since there's apparently no need for them. I'm sure they'll be psyched at the chance to save money.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Given the NY media fishbowl and the hype and unreal expectations, this guy is doomed

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Based on what's been said elsewhere here, experience seems to suggest that it's the rare player who can put up a bad first season and turn into a franchise QB.

The thing that surprised me most when the Jets decided to put so much on the line for this guy (first round pick, some trades, willing to sacrifice a season to get him ready) was that they would bet so heavily on a guy who had a history of injuries, who only had 13 NCAA starts under his belt and of whom Pete Carroll said that he needed another season at the college level (yes, Pete had ulterior motives for that statement, but he generally puts the welfare of his players first).

I live in NYC and unfortunately watch Sanchez a lot and listen to the tabloid mediots talk about him. No one seems really sold on him, but they realize that the Jets have invested so much in him that they look for reasons to like him and say all the right things, though without a lot of enthusiasm.

IMHO, Sanchez is just another in a long line of mistakes by Jets management and ownership; in this case, it will probably cost the franchise a good five years to undo the damage and move on.

Now, he's coming to the end of his first season as the brunt of a lot of jokes and with braces on both of his knees. I agree with those who argue that playing him tomorrow in what will be a very cold and wind-swept stadium, with snow swirling around if not falling, is probably a big mistake. The risk of further injury or a really bad, demoralizing game is pretty high.

As a Pats fan and Jests hater, I'm happy about that. But, on another level, it's a source of constant dismay to a fan of the history of the NFL that a franchise built by Weeb Ewbank and Joe Namath has fallen into such disarray not to mention into the hands of an owner as clueless as Woody ("Is the ball still stuffed with feathers?") Johnson.

 

[Gunnails]

I wanted Clemmens to start the season, and if he was not cutting it to bring Sanchez in around week 6 or 8, that was my ideal situation to see Sanchez watch and learn from the sidelines.

I am a fan of Clemmens, us both being born and raised in OR and having spent a small amount of time with some of his family. Problem is he is apparently the suck, Clemmens had his chance to win the starting spot with 3 years experience in Schottys system and going up against a rook and he failed.
I am not a big X's and O's guy but to me Sanchez seems to be a better more polished QB then Clemmens and I think gives the Jets a better shot at winning.
With an elite #1 Defense and a border line elite O line and rushing game, all the Jets QB needs to do is hand off the ball and limit turnovers. Both Sanchez and Clemmens are capable of that.

Jets 24
Falcons 6

 

[LRAC]

So coaching, player development, and how you bring guys along doesn't matter? If they're good, they'll become good, and if they're not they won't? You should probably inform all 32 NFL franchises that they no longer need to employ position coaches, then, since there's apparently no need for them. I'm sure they'll be psyched at the chance to save money.

well...yes. it's a combination of something more complex and layered than absolutes. The reason the Rothlesbergers, the Palmers, the Mannings (both) exist is because the team had to take that risk on them. Does Brett Favre become the QB he is now had the Jets drafted him? Would he eventually find the field again like Testeverde, Flutie, and Gannon did?

How would a rookie Tom Brady fare starting from day one? Does it sabotage a future Dynasty?

This is my take on em; the Jets aren't a better team when Clemens is in the lineup. The best player plays period, Sanchez is better than Clemens and the Jets are a better team with Clemens on the bench.

He's a high risk/reward player. But the Jets defense is strong enough to sustain probably 2 turnovers (guess). If he can limit it to that then the Jets win big time...they become a better team now and their franchise qb gets 'XP' points.

 

[Deus Irae]

...But the Jets defense is strong enough to sustain probably 2 turnovers (guess).

1. since the merger, what percentage of the time does the team that wins the turnover battle win the game (only counting games where the turnovers aren't even)?


ANSWER UPDATE:

1. 78.3%. Here it is by margin:

+1: 66.4%
+2: 80.4%
+3: 88.1%
+4 or more: 94.2%

Pro-football-reference.com blog Random trivia

 

[LRAC]

hm nice...well emphasis on sustain

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Pro-football-reference.com blog Random trivia

thanks...that's very interesting...btw, i think pro-football-reference.com is a great site!

 

[Ochmed Jones]

The Jets can win with Jones running, an occasional pass completion and playing outstanding defense; if Sanchez can keep from turning the ball over.

 

[Deus Irae]

3 picks in the loss. Thank you Mark Sanchez!

 

[carolinatony]

GOOD CALL I tip my hat to you happily.

 

[TriplecHamp]

You guys want a laugh?

http://jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205613

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Thank the football gods for the Jets and especially The Sanchise. The Jets misery has a way of making a tough season more fun.

 

[Bella*chick]

My dad said that Rex Ryan was completely melting down at the end of the Jets game. He also said Ryan's handshake at the end was less than gracious. If that was BB, it would dominate the news cycle for the week.

 

[Jangles]

I love the Jets

if it wasn't for Revis they all would have commited suicide by now

 

[PatsChamp88]

False.

Now that the pressure's off, I guarantee we play our best game of the season next week. I'd put it at 50-50 that we beat the Colts.

Hahahaha the Jets board never fails to impress..