Pats will never win SB with Brady/Moss combo

[Bobs My Uncle]

What would you have liked to see called?

Yes, the offense was a problem but the defense was part of that. It is difficult to play call when your down by 14 points and playing such a powerful offense like the Saints

I adjust backs for a living so don't profess to know what plays should be called. All I know is that an offense featuring Brady, Moss and Welker should dominate most any defense it faces. Especially one that has a secondary filled with backups, as has been the case several times now this season.

 

[The Dynasty]

I adjust backs for a living so don't profess to know what plays should be called. All I know is that an offense featuring Brady, Moss and Welker should dominate most any defense it faces. Especially one that has a secondary filled with backups, as has been the case several times now this season.

Thanks for sharing what you do for a living. It doesnt make you any smarter than the rest of the people on here.

Yes, you would think that an offense with Brady, Moss and Welker should dominate defenses. But, when you dont give your QB time to throw and find these guys you simply cant be successful. Brady didnt have any time to throw, he was under constant pressure and when he didnt have guys in his face he was moving around to buy himself more time. The whole offense starts with the OL. You cannot be successful if you dont have a good OL.

 

[maverick4]

I adjust backs for a living so don't profess to know what plays should be called. All I know is that an offense featuring Brady, Moss and Welker should dominate most any defense it faces. Especially one that has a secondary filled with backups, as has been the case several times now this season.

Not necessarily. The elite offensive talent is a TRAP that has affected this team for a few years now.

The 01 Rams and 03-04 Colts had ridiculous weapons at all positions, but they got stuffed. Their losses in key games weren't because of their need for better players. It was because they relied on the SAME guys to do the SAME things over and over again, and against any good defensive coordinator, doing the same thing stubbornly will get you stopped. The 07-09 Pats are loaded with weapons but have fallen into the same trap.

 

[Bella*chick]

I'm talking only about the offense.

Having said this, I wouldn't object to seeing Pees removed. I actually think the secondary is fine. It's the devoid pass rush that is worrisome.

I agree with you about the pass rush, but if we're talking offense, the time (or lack thereof) for Brady to do anything would still be a problem.

 

[Patspsycho]

I agree that the big problem is that somewhere between BB, O'Brien, and Brady—it's impossible to really tell exactly where this is coming from—the O just gets too pass-happy, period. Even when the running game has been working, all of a sudden they just go to five-wide, throw-on-every-down. For the life of me, I still can't think of any good reason for having Brady attempt 100 passes in the first two games.

It starts and ends with BB. Our time in the shotgun has been going up every year, and this year is in fact, worse than '07

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Not necessarily. The elite offensive talent is a TRAP that has affected this team for a few years now.

The 01 Rams and 03-04 Colts had ridiculous weapons at all positions, but they got stuffed. Their losses in key games weren't because of their need for better players. It was because they relied on the SAME guys to do the SAME things over and over again, and against any good defensive coordinator, doing the same thing stubbornly will get you stopped. The 07-09 Pats are loaded with weapons but have fallen into the same trap.

IOW, playcalling issues.

 

[JFK]

Brady needs to keep going to Aikens. He is fast, gets YACs and breaks tackles very well...We have a very good player in him.

 

[maverick4]

It starts and ends with BB. Our time in the shotgun has been going up every year, and this year is in fact, worse than '07

It doesn't mean he's calling the plays, or telling O'Brien to specifically use shotgun so much. He gives his coordinators way more autonomy than you give credit for.

Even on defense where he's a master you see him on the sidelines captured on video begging his DB's to play closer to the line, and they still don't.

 

[The Dynasty]

Brady needs to keep going to Aikens. He is fast, gets YACs and breaks tackles very well...We have a very good player in him.

Disagree, hes not a very good player, hes an average player. Hes a 4th WR in the NFL, but on this team with what we have he is our 3rd

 

[JFK]

Disagree, hes not a very good player, hes an average player. Hes a 4th WR in the NFL, but on this team with what we have he is our 3rd

Can you explain why you disagree? I won't mind agreeing with you if u can convince me.

 

[PatriotWarrior]

I mean sure they don't have the depth at WR like they did in 07. How much do you think they miss guys like Stallworth and Gaffney when they were here? They are definately better than people like Aiken, Edelman, etc. I just feel the playcalling last night was bad. The first drive they did a good mixing up the plays. After that they just got too predictable and were being lazy with their creativity. It's too bad Weis probaly won't be here next year to be OC. HE was good at keeping defenses on its heels.

 

[Sangreal95]

Before I get reamed after watching this team for a bit the problem is the Patriots truly only have one decent true wide reciever. Welker may line up as a reciever, but he reminds me more of Larry Centers. Remember he used to routinely catch 90-100 balls a year?

Do not get me wrong he is a phenomenal player but I think it is a mistake to consider him in the depth chart as a number 1 or 2 reciever. The Patriots only have one reciever who can stab deeply into a defense. Look at all those gouging completions Manning and Brees are making with several different recievers. There is a whole section of the field that is not threatened by the Patriots offense.

I remember Moss ( I am from WI) was a beast when he was actually the second read behind Chris Carter, a guy who was money on the medium routes. Basically teams only have to treat Welker as a pass catching running back knowing he won't stick the defense for a medium deep completion. I am not talking about YAC but throws that get you first downs at the spot of the catch.

By treating Welker as a true reciever the Pats have shortchanged their roster.

Sorry to say but I would even like to see Marvin Harrison suit up and run crisp 12-15 yard routes for Brady. Imagine Owens working that middle.

The Pats have no real threat past ten yards beside Randy Moss. I am talking about a true reciever who could get there fast.

Jodee

 

[BionicPatriot]

You know, people just don't realize how bad Koppen is playing this year. That dude was the Saint MVP tonight, he continues to let defenders blitz right through the middle. How many times did Brady have time? Koppen needs to go!

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

All this offense needs besides Welker and Moss is a 3rd receiver who defenses have to respect and a solid veteran running back.

Moss and Welker have little to do with failure,Its the lack of the other areas that needs to be addressed next season...it is what it is until then.

 

[BionicPatriot]

All this offense needs besides Welker and Moss is a 3rd receiver who defenses have to respect and a solid veteran running back.

Moss and Welker have little to do with failure,Its the lack of the other areas that needs to be addressed next season...it is what it is until then.

Again, watch how often Brady was getting run up on right smack dab in the middle. This team has struggled all season to stop that damn blitz.

 

[Bill B.]

Disagree, hes not a very good player, hes an average player. Hes a 4th WR in the NFL, but on this team with what we have he is our 3rd

Aiken did catch 7 passes for 90 yards. Can't ask much more of your number three receiver.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Again, watch how often Brady was getting run up on right smack dab in the middle. This team has struggled all season to stop that damn blitz.

Thats why signing Chris Baker was a waste,He sucks as a receiving TE and his only skills were his blocking ability at the LOS and in the open field,He has not performed well in either area,another dud FA in New England.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Thats why signing Chris Baker was a waste,He sucks as a receiving TE and his only skills were his blocking ability at the LOS and in the open field,He has not performed well in either area,another dud FA in New England.

Well, Baker blocks the edge and honestly I don't know where Brady has gotten hit more from the edge or the middle. But last night the middle blitz was hitting him all night. This offense is asking WAY too much of this OL. They really need to go back to their old ways on O because this line isn't good enough with Koppen at C, Light at LT Kazcur at RT to be an elite spread offense. JMO.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Well, Baker blocks the edge and honestly I don't know where Brady has gotten hit more from the edge or the middle. But last night the middle blitz was hitting him all night. This offense is asking WAY too much of this OL. They really need to go back to their old ways on O because this line isn't good enough with Koppen at C, Light at LT Kazcur at RT to be an elite spread offense. JMO.

Like some analysts said last night and I agree with is the fact that teams like the Saints have been fortunate to have a healthy OL all season and once the guys play every week together they gel to a solid line,This team has been decimated in that area so you can't expect much from an OL that not only changes weekly, but in some games has changed DURING them several times due to in-game injury. - Its simply bad luck and that could be the downfall of this team if these unavoidable injury problems continue.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So far they are a hopeless 0/1 in winning the Super Bowl, going 18-0 and putting their team in position to win it. This year they are merely playoff locks and may be 0/2. Such dishonor.

The Patriots struggle against good defenses because they don't have a viable third receiver. It's the Moss and Welker show. They took a gamble on Galloway this year and it's really stinging them right now. Edelman has been hurt. Tate got hurt. After Moss and Welker they have some guys that have no business playing in that offense. I love Aiken, but he's a ST/ backup player. Look at teams like the Colts with a Wayne, Clark, and 3 legitimate targets. The Saints illustrated last night how much more difficult it is to cover a plethora of receiving threats.

Pointing the finger at Moss/Brady for "favoritism" is insane. Brady would spread the ball around if he had guys he could trust. Although Moss and Welker are superstar players, the offense was very good with Branch, Givens, and Patten- three good targets.... of course, this year the Patriots are trying to force more passing plays because the defense is folding against good teams and for the zillionth year in a row, the running game doesn't scare anyone.