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I am now really beginning to wonder about the famous half time adjustments. What has happened to it? Is it that these set of players can't adjust or don't listen to the coaches, or....... is it just one too many changes in the coaching stuff? or is it lack of fresh ideas? Contradictory I know. WTF?

Well, Pees gets no credit here because the Saints rolled in the 2nd half much like the first half.

In contrast, the O came out and scored a TD on their first drive of the 2nd half, got gut-punched with a quick NO touchdown, then drove it down the field again. They sputtered in the red zone, unfortunately, and that's on the OC too, but at least they seemed to have SOMETHING going after the halftime adjustments. So maybe that's a hopeful sign.


Yeah, I'm scraping the barrel here looking for something positive :)
 
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O'Brien is horrible, we sorely miss McDaniels. YOu can't have a rookie OC learning the ropes of the NFL in the middle of the season, you need an experienced guy calling the plays. Some of the decisions and playcalls this guy makes just boggle my mind. I do not want a rookie OC calling plays for us in the playoffs. Brady did not play well, but we have not performed well in the 2nd half of games on offense. That shows the inexperience of O'Brien and his inability to make good halftime adjustments.

Pees and BB are both at fault for this horrific defensive performance. YOu can't sit back in a read and react, keep it in front of you, control the gaps defense and expect to win in this league anymore. This defense was great when the NFL was still run first but BB has got to change up his philosophy. The new NFL is all about defending the pass, and you don't defend the pass by dropping 7 or 8 guys into coverage everytime. You bring heat, mix up your blitzes, confuse the o-line, and attack. You can't sit back and give QB's time to survey the field, you have to pressure them and force them into quick decisions. No QB likes being hit. If you are going to sit back and play this passive defense you are going to get PICKED APART by good QB's. Manning had 300 yards on us, Brees almost 400, Flacco 265, even Kyle Orton 300. The defense looks good and works against guys like Sanchez and Edwards and Henne and Collins and Johnson because they are going to make mistakes and beat themselves. But against a team with a good QB, your team is going to get picked apart.

Especially on 3rd downs. I hate when it's 3rd and 7 or more and we rush 4 guys and drop 7 and we give up a first down. Perfect example, 3rd and 5 Butler is playing 7 yards off the WR and the complete a short little 5 yard pass. What are you doing? Get up in the guys face and press him at the line.

I'm sick of this two gap garbage. Let's start shooting some gaps and cause some chaos on defense, attack the other team, force the issue. As someone else smartly pointed out, we always think new blood coming in will solve our pass rushing issues (Adalius, Burgess, etc.) but they never do. BB and Pees just drop them into coverage. I just don't get what BB and Pees see in this style of defense. As the game changes, your schemes and system have to change too. There is a reason the Steelers and Ravens have been the best defenses over the last 10 years. They force the most turnovers and give up the least amount of YPG. Lebeau's defense and what was Ryan's defense up until this year come after you and attack you. Pressure is key. Look at the trouble we had in 07 vs the Ravens and their attacking style, we barely escaped that game. The Saints this year are comparable to our offense that year, so why not try to use the gameplan that was used against us and gave us trouble?
 
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I think the mediocrity of the coordinators is the biggest weakness on this team right now. Well, that and a pass rush.

At any rate, both are mediocre and are doing BB no favours.

I have zero faith that either can adjust positively at halftime and it's frustrating how predictable and futile the play calling gets when inside the red zone on both sides of the ball.
 
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I think the mediocrity of the coordinators is the biggest weakness on this team right now. Well, that and a pass rush.

At any rate, both are mediocre and are doing BB no favours.

I have zero faith that either can adjust positively at halftime and it's frustrating how predictable and futile the play calling gets when inside the red zone on both sides of the ball.

It's remarkable how bad the red-zone playcalling - usually a strength for the BB Pats - has been on both sides of the ball. Watson or Baker (is he dead?) should be useful targets down inside the 20. Instead we get forced throws to Moss and 2 yard checkdowns to Welker and Faulk. The lack of confidence in the TE's (by Brady? BB? O'Brien?) and the lack of another outside WR really hurt the team.
 
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one thing about pees..he doesnt have vrabel,bruschi,seymour,harrison,ty law to name a few in their primes. Can fault the DC all you want but we just dont have good players. Just avg players who can work against avg teams.
The parity in the league allows us to win these 7 games otherwise we just are a good team only on basis of BB's name and history.
 
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our OC is bad but Pees is fine with me.

We just lack defensive talent. AD, Burgess, & Woods don't get it done yet Banta Cain does...Can't blame Pees.
Bodden gets it done..WIlhite/Springs don't...
We need to use our 2011 1st round picks to get whoever we need right now cos we can't wait till 2011. Moss and Brady are getting up there and our best defensive players are about th hit their peak. Lets get the best out of them.
 
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its not the OC or the DC's fault

its the D has no passrush even when they blitz they cant get to the QB


the saints where geting to brady with 3 and 4 guy's and when the WR did get the ball the saints hit them hard

let's face it the pats turned in to the colts from a few year's ago they are soft they are a finesse team on O

and the saints had a good game plan they where not going to let moss beat them and if you can take away moss the pats are not the same team

maroney could of had a 150 yerd's if they give him the ball more

but that's not who the pats are they live and die with the pass

but the way the saints where playing tonight noting would have helped the pats

i mean the pats pulled the starter's out with 6 min left so the sanits can stop scoreing on them it was that kind of a night for the pats the pats just cant hang with a good team
 
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As someone who refrained from attacking either of them in the past, I'll go out on a limb and say that BOB truly sucks. There was no reason at all to go empty backfield at the beginning of the second possession. I'm still not sold that Pees is garbage, although I wouldn't mind him being replaced either.
 
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I hate Pees as much as the next sensible guy.

For offense though, Koppen single handily killed them tonight. He is terrible, this team needs a real center. Absolutely ridiculous watching this man play, and I mean that in a bad way
 
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maroney could of had a 150 yerd's if they give him the ball more

but that's not who the pats are they live and die with the pass

How is that not the OC's fault? A good team is flexible enough to win in whatever way it has to.
 
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I hate Pees as much as the next sensible guy.

For offense though, Koppen single handily killed them tonight. He is terrible, this team needs a real center. Absolutely ridiculous watching this man play, and I mean that in a bad way

He's been pretty bad this year, makes me wonder if he is still hurt.
 
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an example of good players make DC and OC look good is minnesota. anyone thing childress is a good coach ?. Our offense is 3 people and maybe maroney sometimes and defense is 2 with mayo and wilfork and maybe warren.
you put jared allen and some of those guys here and if then they suck then pees is 100 % to blame
 
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an example of good players make DC and OC look good is minnesota. anyone thing childress is a good coach ?. Our offense is 3 people and maybe maroney sometimes and defense is 2 with mayo and wilfork and maybe warren.
you put jared allen and some of those guys here and if then they suck then pees is 100 % to blame

Mayo??? plzzz..
Wilfork, Mc G, Cain and Warren..

Mayo has taken a step back this year instead of a step forward.
 
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The offensive playcalling has been dire all year, and were getting found ount against better teams. The second halfs of the Jets, the Bronocs etc all bear that out

Hate to say it but look at Manning and the Colts, its all ubnder center, a few audibles, use of play action, different routes etc. Here its Welker underneath, screen or draw out the shotgun and thats it

We'll be out of the playoffs very quickly this season unless it improves but I dont see how it will
 
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O'Brien is complete ****. I'm not usually one to beak about the coaching staff, but the playcalling this idiot makes baffles me. For example, at the start of the 4th quarter tonight with the score 31-17. The Pats have finally stopped the Saints and forced a punt, which Welker fair catches at the 15. Here's the ensuing drive:

# 1-10-NE 15 (14:47) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to 88-S.Aiken.
# 2-10-NE 15 (14:42) (Shotgun) 33-K.Faulk right end to NE 16 for 1 yard (98-S.Ellis).
# 3-9-NE 16 (14:01) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 83-W.Welker to NE 20 for 4 yards (27-M.Jenkins).
# 4-5-NE 20 (13:21) 6-C.Hanson punts 50 yards to NO 30, Center-47-J.Ingram. 19-D.Henderson to NO 25 for -5 yards (50-R.Ninkovich).

Keep in mind the previous two drives were 81-yards (for a TD) and 72 (stopped at NO 10). Why, when the offense was moving the ball and a touchdown makes it a seven-point game, does he call a draw (iirc) and a short pass? I'll forgive him for the 1st down play, because Brady overthrew Aiken. But you have two downs, maybe three, to gain 10 yards and the best you can come up with is a run that goes nowhere and yet ANOTHER third down play that picks up less than what you need? (I don't know how many times this year the Pats have needed x-number of yards on 3rd-down and they've called a play that comes up a yard short. It's so frustrating to watch, because stuff like this is supposed to be common sense. If you need five yards, don't call a play that ensures two with the hope the receiver can break a tackle for the remaining three.)

****.
 
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How is that not the OC's fault? A good team is flexible enough to win in whatever way it has to.

yes your right it's the OC fault for not runing the ball more but it's not he's fault for brady forceing the ball and throwing about 9 deep ball's and only hiting on one

im not saying brady suck's but he was way off he's game tonight and if brady dose not play perfact this team cant beat a good team and they played a great team
 
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Question is, can BB admit his mistakes and move on from O'Brien and Pees. I'd be shocked if either of them was let go, which is a shame.

He's had plenty of time to evaluate Pees. Don't you think he would've canned him in the offseason, if BB thought Pees was a problem? Obrien is in his first year, and don't you think he'll improve with experience?

BTW, im not happy with either OC, or DC, but the above questions are what i keep asking myself to keep from going insane :D
 
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He's had plenty of time to evaluate Pees. Don't you think he would've canned him in the offseason, if BB thought Pees was a problem? Obrien is in his first year, and don't you think he'll improve with experience?

BTW, im not happy with either OC, or DC, but the above questions are what i keep asking myself to keep from going insane :D

Belichick is doing things he never did with Crennel or Mangini.

He's taking time during the middle of games to coach the defense.

He's ignoring the offense.

He did this during the Super Bowl as well.
 
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It's 1995-1996. Bill Parcells is in charge. The team is coming off a 5 win season. Al Groh's defense was awful the previous year. Parcells hires a recently fired Belichick to take on the D.

The results are almost instant. Belichick takes the same D and the next thing you know, they become a fierce cohesive unit.

That's the kind of impact that a totally focused Belichick can have on D.

As a head coach, he doesn't have that luxury. Too much concern with the offense, not enough of him to go around.

So, who is to blame? The assistant coaches.

Belichick did not have these concerns when Crennel was around.

This D can be turned around instantly.

The right man can do it.
 
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It's 1995-1996. Bill Parcells is in charge. The team is coming off a 5 win season. Al Groh's defense was awful the previous year. Parcells hires a recently fired Belichick to take on the D.

The results are almost instant. Belichick takes the same D and the next thing you know, they become a fierce cohesive unit.

That's the kind of impact that a totally focused Belichick can have on D.

As a head coach, he doesn't have that luxury. Too much concern with the offense, not enough of him to go around.

So, who is to blame? The assistant coaches.

Belichick did not have these concerns when Crennel was around.

This D can be turned around instantly.

The right man can do it.

I'm fine with Belichick/Pees handling the defense. BB needs to be able to delegate the offensive chores though - interesting to see what will happen with CW.
 
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