How does the defense react?

[WhiZa]

The D had 28 points scored on them at the time making it the most points against them all year. They should be more pissed about that then getting a vote of confidence from BB. I can see where Bru and Harrison would be upset, but they are veterans and deserve a bit more. The D had a bunch of youngsters playing with all the injuries the Pats had.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is way overstated--they blew a big lead and lost the game. Plenty of time to recover.

Agreed. My goodness. Got almost 1/2 a season to go.

 

[SeauOUCH]

Its got a lot of rookies, its got a lot of new players....who dont know BB that much

after going for it on that 4th and 2....how does this defense react?

BB is a great coach, but how does he keep this defense on his side? He will have to do something.

I hope he apologized to them after the game, and told them he wont be making that mistake again

Its not that i didn't agree with the move, I would also go for it on 4th down....I would have ran it on both 3rd and 4th down (instead of doing the shotgun) but thats beside the point

You lost the game b/c you did not show confidence in your defense.....how do you get them to play for you?

Sure they faced a top 5 QB of all time, even though....BB has to make amends

The defense had their chance, they got shredded for two long TD drives already in the 4th ( both under 2 minutes btw ). They had a chance to make a stop the entire 4th Q & failed, they got yet another chance when the Colts got the ball back on the failed 4th down play & failed yet again. Their is no doubt in my mind Indy would of scored if we punted, they were moving the ball at will.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Agreed. My goodness. Got almost 1/2 a season to go.

Nobody said the season was over. We just know, before we get our hopes up yet again this post season, that this team lacks what ever it takes to get over the hump. They'll continue to come close but fail by inches.

They'll probably easily win the division, beat the nancy teams like always and fold against the real teams. Not trying to sound negative, but outside of 07' thats how its been since 05.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Nobody said the season was over. We just know, before we get our hopes up yet again this post season, that this team lacks what ever it takes to get over the hump. They'll continue to come close but fail by inches.

They'll probably easily win the division, beat the nancy teams like always and fold against the real teams. Not trying to sound negative, but outside of 07' thats how its been since 05.

I was offering sanity to bostonia3333 comparison to some of the greatest catastrophies in sports history.

Even then, why so pessimistic? Every team has problems. Old problems go away and new ones surface from week to week. Can everyone say that Indy will make the Superbowl? They also have had playoff failures every year except one. Their D is a mess. Look at the Steelers problems. Is Cinci for real. Denver is coming back to earth. San Diego is a mystery. Still plenty of time to sort things out and let the chips fall.

IMO you don't have to be the best, you just have to beat the best when they are not their best and rise to occasion.

If this team converts a 4th and 2, we are not having the same conversation.

 

[BionicPatriot]

I was offering sanity to bostonia3333 comparison to some of the greatest catastrophies in sports history.

Even then, why so pessimistic? Every team has problems. Old problems go away and new ones surface from week to week. Can everyone say that Indy will make the Superbowl? They also have had playoff failures every year except one. Their D is a mess. Look at the Steelers problems. Is Cinci for real. Denver is coming back to earth. San Diego is a mystery. Still plenty of time to sort things out and let the chips fall.

IMO you don't have to be the best, you just have to beat the best when they are not their best and rise to occasion.

If this team converts a 4th and 2, we are not having the same conversation.

Look, I never said Indy is the model franchise. I've acknowledged plenty of times their laughable playoff performances. They're worse than the Pats are.

However, just like you said. IF. How many times have I heard that the last few seasons? That's what makes winning a super bowl so damn hard. You need a team full of guys able to make those tough plays in clutch situations. The Patriots have lacked the guy to do so on defense for some time now.

I hate to be pesimistic, ecspecialy with so much season left. However I've seen this film too many times before. the Patriots will rebound, against **** teams ofcourse, than come the playoffs they will **** the bed in the final seconds some way some how. That's just the team they've become. How many times have we been left asking WTF BB or WTF defense? A lot more than anything else sadly. I'm not saying it's over. I'm just saying I have no confidence in this team to win big games.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Look, I never said Indy is the model franchise. I've acknowledged plenty of times their laughable playoff performances. They're worse than the Pats are..

Not attacking you and I am also frustrated that they have not achieved the same level of success as 01-04. My point is that more often than not, teams fail in the playoffs- including the Pats and some out of nowhere team or close to the best wins the SB- almost always.

[/QUOTE]However, just like you said. IF. How many times have I heard that the last few seasons? That's what makes winning a super bowl so damn hard. .[/QUOTE]

You hit the nail on the head. Winning the SB is ridiculously hard. But with the Pats philosophy of being competititve every year to be in a position to compete for a title because things happen (like the Colts faltering. Like the Pats beating SD in 2006). I go back to what I said earlier about being the best.

.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it's over. I'm just saying I have no confidence in this team to win big games.[/QUOTE]

Define big games? Was 2006 vs SD not a big game? Was the AFCCC vs SD not a big game? Was the 2007 Div vs JAX not one?

I guess I don't put a lot of stock in the regular season. Thats my belief. I think we've all seen too many so-called "sure things" poop the bed in the playoffs...

 

[BionicPatriot]

Not attacking you and I am also frustrated that they have not achieved the same level of success as 01-04. My point is that more often than not, teams fail in the playoffs- including the Pats and some out of nowhere team or close to the best wins the SB- almost always.

However, just like you said. IF. How many times have I heard that the last few seasons? That's what makes winning a super bowl so damn hard. .[/QUOTE]

You hit the nail on the head. Winning the SB is ridiculously hard. But with the Pats philosophy of being competititve every year to be in a position to compete for a title because things happen (like the Colts faltering. Like the Pats beating SD in 2006). I go back to what I said earlier about being the best.

.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it's over. I'm just saying I have no confidence in this team to win big games.[/QUOTE]

Define big games? Was 2006 vs SD not a big game? Was the AFCCC vs SD not a big game? Was the 2007 Div vs JAX not one?

I guess I don't put a lot of stock in the regular season. Thats my belief. I think we've all seen too many so-called "sure things" poop the bed in the playoffs...[/QUOTE]

Big games is games to seal the deal. Again, I'm not saying this team never has any type of success. But really? A divisional playoff game? Big games to me are AFC games that decide seeding, AFC championship, SB, etc.

In these situations since 05 the Pats have failed at winning those.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Big games is games to seal the deal. Again, I'm not saying this team never has any type of success. But really? A divisional playoff game? Big games to me are AFC games that decide seeding, AFC championship, SB, etc.

In these situations since 05 the Pats have failed at winning those.

So a divisional playoff win against a higher seed is a lesser accomplishment than a Week 10 regular season game?

I don't follow that logic.

 

[vyrago]

Correct. Essentially BB thought his offense could get a couple yards. If the D gets pouty about anything, they'll just have to grow up. I think BB will be able to navigate any emotional issues.

Who knew Tedy and Rodney were so thin-skinned? And they aren't even playing anymore.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

BB has to tell D go out there and seal this. D was up for challenge all game. Did it look like a prevent D in with that lead thinkin there was a cusion because Manning looked avg most of game. Punt, Let our D go out at Colts 25-30. Unless we don't know real story if fatigue or injury was weighed in on his decision. D ices this game HUGH MO goin into Jets,Saints. BB has instill that back in our D.

 

[ALP]

i dont know

but some of you are right, the D had no right asking to go back on the field after their display in the 4th Quarter...

but we changed something in the 4th, and we gave up yards like they were inches

and yes, u give the ball to your best player, ie brady, but if he went for it, he should have had a sure play.....otherwise punt it away, and trust ur defense, it had its share of 3 and outs if i remember correctly

 

[bostonia3333]

If anything there was more finality to this game--you gave Brady that chance that he's never had the last three years in the playoffs to make the game clinching play. Your MVP couldn't convert and you can live with that. It's almost like a 2 point conversion for the win. I am in the minority, but I agree with BB's decision, as a 4th and 2 is converted a high percentage of the time with the Pats. I have little faith whatsover in this defense to stop anyone based on their dismal 4th quarter performance, especially against Peyton Manning.