Bruschi: Belichick dissed his defense

[Kontradiction]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

That's the problem -- we saw this situation, and the D did NOT come up big vs. Baltimore: Mark Clayton dropped a pass.

Nonsensical argument. Clayton only dropped the pass because McGowan was closing in for the big hit.

 

[Two Eight]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

Instead of dissing the D why can't it be that BB had confidence in his O who had been moving down the field on the Colts with relative ease most of the night? Tedy & Rodney are D guys so I kind of expect them to see it one way not the other.

 

[patriots pam]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

Meh. Love Tedy and can understand where he's coming from as he's a [former] defensive player, but I pretty much disagree with his "dissing" point because:

First, I should say I still don't know exactly how I feel about BB going for it, although I'm leaning heavily towards it should have been punted. Also, on the whole (INT, fumble and no scoring in the 3rd, IIRC aside), I think the offense pretty much did its job and don't feel I can rightfully complain about it. However, I still wasn't comfortable with even a 17 pt lead. It's just not enough of a lead to feel good about that early in the 4th facing PM. Once the Pats were up 31-14, I REALLY wanted at least another 3 BEFORE the Colts had a chance to score again. Ghost got the 3, but not until the Colts had put up a TD. So, at 31-21 I'm not feeling good. at 34-21, I'm feeling a little better, but not much. Then 34-28, yeah, sorry, but I just started preparing myself for a loss.

So in short, I'm going against Tedy on BB dissing the defense by going for it. The defense pretty much dissed themselves letting the Colts get the 2 prior TDs (WEAK WEAK PI call aside, but who didn't see at least one of those coming playing Indy?) Sigh. That's all I got.

EDIT: And I need to say it because I really feel it's true - FAULK HAD THE DOWN! That is all. Really this time. Thank you.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

i mean say we punt and get it to their 20. anything could happen in that time span - a strip sack, a forced fumble, etc. Manning is great but he doesn't lead his team to a TD on EVERY down.

It's true that Manning had some lousy drives and we had some outstanding stops. But it's the what have you done for me lately card raising it's ugly head. Manning is in BB's head as much as BB used to be in Peyton's. It's gone beyond respect. And Bill tends to handcuff his own defenses in these late game situations by playing prevent.

But the other sad reality is there is no way Hanson was going to punt them to the 20... On average their own 45 would have been the outcome. Although who knows, maybe one of our young defenders might have stripped an amped up returner...

 

[The Dynasty]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

Instead of dissing the D why can't it be that BB had confidence in his O who had been moving down the field on the Colts with relative ease most of the night? Tedy & Rodney are D guys so I kind of expect them to see it one way not the other.

BB thought that his O had a better chance of getting 2 yards on 1 play than his D stopping Manning and Co. from going 60-70 yards in 2 min. Was it the right call? In my mind, no. But I am not BB, I have all the respect in the world for the guy and will back every decision he makes. It was a gutsy call and it didnt work out, it is what it is we move on.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

I read Tedy's comments more that Belichick is now challenging the defense to step it up when needed as opposed to "dissing" them. Players, coaches, whatever, they let Indy score way too fast the previous posession and they need to know it's time to step up or step out.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

How can you say that though? Did they score every time they had the ball? No, not even close. I think people/BB are giving way too much respect to Manning and the Colts. Of course they are good, but to assume that they would go 60-70 yards in 2 minutes with 1 TO and score is a little too much respect in my book.

Then you need to go back to the two previous games that the Pats had played against Indy where they did that exact thing. Except, this time, the Pats Defense was extremely tired because of a lack of bodies for rotation on the D-line and the LBers. Seems people have forgotten that they were without Ty Warren and Jarvis Green and then they lost TBC and Ninkovich during the game, thus making it extremely hard on the players that were left..

The Colts scored on their 1st and 3rd possession of the 4th quarter, marching 79 yards down the field on each occasion and doing so in 2:04 and 1:49 respectively. So, to think that the Pats would have prevented Manning from doing the same thing by punting when Manning still had a time out remaining is really wishful thinking.

 

[tombonneau]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

Nonsensical argument. Clayton only dropped the pass because McGowan was closing in for the big hit.

Some of you guys can wear your homer glasses and see the D made a stop there, but at the time I saw the team as lucky to get the win there as most NFL WRs don't get the yips like that and make that catch.

Either way, if you want to consider that as the D "making a play" you have to at least admit a WR dropping a pass because he feels safety pressure is way down on the list of Big Time D Plays.

 

[Patspsycho]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

I read Tedy's comments more that Belichick is now challenging the defense to step it up when needed as opposed to "dissing" them. Players, coaches, whatever, they let Indy score way too fast the previous posession and they need to know it's time to step up or step out.

That's pretty weird interpretation, because Bruschi also said that it would "make his blood boil for a week" That BB dissed the defense. Harrison basically had the same sentiment.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

That's pretty weird interpretation, because Bruschi also said that it would "make his blood boil for a week" That BB dissed the defense. Harrison basically had the same sentiment.

"And I'm not talking about stopping the New York Jets with Mark Sanchez. I'm talking about the biggest of games on the biggest of stages. A showdown on "Monday Night Football" with the New Orleans Saints is on the horizon. Let's see if the defense is considered good enough to be on the field when the game is on the line in two weeks."

I read the above as a challenge to show they belong on the field more than a statement that "you suck".

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

I read Tedy's comments more that Belichick is now challenging the defense to step it up when needed as opposed to "dissing" them. Players, coaches, whatever, they let Indy score way too fast the previous posession and they need to know it's time to step up or step out.

That's all well and good, only HE persistently handcuffs them by playing prevent in these situations. It's tough enough to stop Manning when you aren't playing prevent... Colts continued to go after Brady and refused to give him anything down the stretch. It took the patented questionable PI to get the Colts back in this game late to begin with. It wasn't like the defense collapsed, more like the scheme caved.

It's all well and good to challenge guys to step up provided you're allowing them to.

 

[SVN]

as boomer said on weei today our pass rush got tired and worn out in the 4th quarter which was quite effectivein the first half. So maybe he didnt trust his defense as Bruschi says

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

"And I'm not talking about stopping the New York Jets with Mark Sanchez. I'm talking about the biggest of games on the biggest of stages. A showdown on "Monday Night Football" with the New Orleans Saints is on the horizon. Let's see if the defense is considered good enough to be on the field when the game is on the line in two weeks."

I read the above as a challenge to show they belong on the field more than a statement that "you suck".

I disagree. He's saying lets see what message their HC sends to them in two weeks...because the one he sent last night was they weren't.

 

[tombonneau]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

That's all well and good, only HE persistently handcuffs them by playing prevent in these situations. It's tough enough to stop Manning when you aren't playing prevent... Colts continued to go after Brady and refused to give him anything down the stretch. It took the patented questionable PI to get the Colts back in this game late to begin with. It wasn't like the defense collapsed, more like the scheme caved.

It's all well and good to challenge guys to step up provided you're allowing them to.

It really did mirror the AFCC in that way. I recall in that game, early on they were blitzing, getting to Manning, and the Colts couldn't do anything.

Similarly, last night, they called a great blitz by Mayo that caused Manning to fold in the pocket like Eason. And I thought great, they are dialing it up, getting to Maning. And then, nothing. Same old, same old gutless prevent. Same old results.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

Yeah, I just really wish I could see how the defense would have responded if we punted. They came up big at the end vs Baltimore and could have came up big last night. We'll never know.

If that's coming up big, then Belichick did the right thing. Flacco and Clayton were this close to winning the game. Manning and Wayne make the play.

What we're doing with leads at the end of games isn't working, and that's easy to see.

This actually goes back to all the Super Bowls except Philly. The Rams and Panthers shredded our D, and then the Colts in the AFCCG, and also the Giants.

Our DBs don't seem to be in optimal positions late in a game with a lead.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Bruschi:Belichick dissed his defense

It really did mirror the AFCC in that way. I recall in that game, early on they were blitzing, getting to Manning, and the Colts couldn't do anything.

Similarly, last night, they called a great blitz by Mayo that caused Manning to fold in the pocket like Eason. And I thought great, they are dialing it up, getting to Maning. And then, nothing. Same old, same old gutless prevent. Same old results.

The D line was totally spent.

 

[xmarkd400x]

Is there any possibility that BB asked Bruschi to say that? Those words are VERY motivational.