Fatal Flaw: no real pass rusher

[R_T26]

Sorry this team will not win a super bowl until they get a pure passrusher that teams gameplan against. Our corners are playing pretty good considering qb's have plenty of time to throw the ball. There were about 5 plays where brady threw a bad pass because he was nervous about the pass rush. Burgess and nincovich did not scare manning yesterday. Teams dont have to compensate for our dline. Imagine this team with a real paasrush presence on the edge? Instead are 4 man line should not even waste their breath on pasd plays, their rush is futile.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

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Sorry this team will not win a super bowl until they get a pure passrusher that teams gameplan against. Our corners are playing pretty good considering qb's have plenty of time to throw the ball. There were about 5 plays where brady threw a bad pass because he was nervous about the pass rush. Burgess and nincovich did not scare manning yesterday. Teams dont have to compensate for our dline. Imagine this team with a real paasrush presence on the edge? Instead are 4 man line should not even waste their breath on pasd plays, their rush is futile.

that's tully's job and he went down early playing special teams.

 

[R_T26]

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Lly has played above expectations, but teams dont go in obsessed with containing tully, nor do qbs hear footsteps when tully is out there.

 

[mayoclinic]

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Lly has played above expectations, but teams dont go in obsessed with containing tully, nor do qbs hear footsteps when tully is out there.

Nice line.

Losing TBC obviously hurt, but you're right. We went into the season with the pass rush as our biggest defensive need, and it has burned us all season. It burned us against the Jets, it burned us against Denver, and it burned us against Indy ... we'd likely be 9-0 and in control of the AFC if we could get pressure on opposing QBs.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

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Nice line.

Losing TBC obviously hurt, but you're right. We went into the season with the pass rush as our biggest defensive need, and it has burned us all season. It burned us against the Jets, it burned us against Denver, and it burned us against Indy ... we'd likely be 9-0 and in control of the AFC if we could get pressure on opposing QBs.

this where i think the pats should have just payed more money to get Greg Ellis here. All it would have took was another $1 million. instead we are stuck with burgess who is not an every down lineman.

 

[tombonneau]

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Good posting. To me, this was the one glaring takeaway from this game. With the game on the line, Mathis was winning the one-on-one battle and changing the game on one end forcing Brady to throw early, but on the other end, the Pats had no answer and Manning had all day with 4-5 rushers. That was the difference.

 

[letekro]

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Good posting. To me, this was the one glaring takeaway from this game. With the game on the line, Mathis was winning the one-on-one battle and changing the game on one end forcing Brady to throw early, but on the other end, the Pats had no answer and Manning had all day with 4-5 rushers. That was the difference.

YUP. This problem is of course magnified when the Pats are on the road. The reason you need to get Indy on the road is not because Manning can't play outside, but because Freeney and Mathis are shells of the players they are inside that dome.

 

[reflexblue]

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Nice line.

Losing TBC obviously hurt, but you're right. We went into the season with the pass rush as our biggest defensive need, and it has burned us all season. It burned us against the Jets, it burned us against Denver, and it burned us against Indy ... we'd likely be 9-0 and in control of the AFC if we could get pressure on opposing QBs.

I have been hesitant to say we'll go for a pass rushing because i wanted to see how the d-lineman panned out (pryor, brace) but i think it IS the biggest need going into the off season. The FA crop reads like a whos, who of football so BB could go that route, but if not i really want to see him go after one of those OLB you've been raving about.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

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Sorry this team will not win a super bowl until they get a pure passrusher that teams gameplan against. Our corners are playing pretty good considering qb's have plenty of time to throw the ball. There were about 5 plays where brady threw a bad pass because he was nervous about the pass rush. Burgess and nincovich did not scare manning yesterday. Teams dont have to compensate for our dline. Imagine this team with a real paasrush presence on the edge? Instead are 4 man line should not even waste their breath on pasd plays, their rush is futile.

i also think part of the reason why we didn't rush Manning is because the thought that he would just burn us. You can't be blitzing this guy on every down. not when you are on the road in Indy.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

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I was about to post the same thing. As the game moves to its final stages, quarterbacks get very comfortable in the pocket and figure out how to pick us apart. There is no pressure.

 

[BelichickFan]

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The fact that Tully is missed as our big pass rusher says it all. And how many snaps did Thomas get last night ? I know I didn't notice him much.

 

[edboc]

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The fatal flaws of this team that will prevent them from winning it all, as in the previous few seasons, as compared to the championship teams, are that they can't run effectively between the tackles with a RB that can break multiple tackles, and also have a defense that can make critical stops at the ends of games at a championship level. This could all change by the time the playoffs come with Taylor/Morris coming back, and hopefully improved pass rush and coverage, but it's pretty clear to see the difference between the '01, '03, '04 teams and the recent teams. This team is too offensive heavy and relies too much on Brady, where those championship teams were more balanced with the running game, and could make critical stops on defense.

 

[DarrylS]

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TBC would have been helpful, but the strength of this team is their rotation... when you take Warren, Green and TBC out of it.. the rotation gets weaker.

We lament the lack of pass rush, or the lack of sacks... but we ran out of gas late, interestingly Seau did not play...

 

[R_T26]

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i also think part of the reason why we didn't rush Manning is because the thought that he would just burn us. You can't be blitzing this guy on every down. not when you are on the road in Indy.

Im not talking about blitzing. Im talking about a pass rusher that can force pressure using just a 4 man line.

 

[Jangles]

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I was about to post the same thing. As the game moves to its final stages, quarterbacks get very comfortable in the pocket and figure out how to pick us apart. There is no pressure.

Totally agree

I haven't liked the Seymour trade since it happened and I still wish he was here

 

[SeymourTrophies]

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I have been hesitant to say we'll go for a pass rushing because i wanted to see how the d-lineman panned out (pryor, brace) but i think it IS the biggest need going into the off season. The FA crop reads like a whos, who of football so BB could go that route, but if not i really want to see him go after one of those OLB you've been raving about.

Even if those guys do pan out, they are the same breed of d-lineman that has made our 4-man rush useless. We need a true edge rusher.

TBC is our best pass rusher... He has improved, but all you really need to say is that he's far and away our best. I'd be interested in seeing Adalius do more on the end.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

You have to wonder if Banta Cain had not been injured and he had sacked Manning or pressured him into bad throws would BB have had more confidence in punting and letting the Colts get the ball back at thier own 20 or so.

I do agree that unless Burgess or someone steps up and provides continuous pass pressure to the QB and happens soon this team is going NOWHERE in the playoffs...thats a 100% guarantee.

No team has ever won a Super Bowl by letting opposing QBs have 4 or more seconds to find open receivers.

 

[Patspsycho]

That talk is ridiculous. Burgess was lights out last night.. he was pressuring Manning time and time again.

We got a lot of pressure on Manning, even without Warren, TBC, and Ninkovitch.

 

[JSn]

That talk is ridiculous. Burgess was lights out last night.. he was pressuring Manning time and time again.

QTF - DB seemed to finally join the team last night.

 

[reflexblue]

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Even if those guys do pan out, they are the same breed of d-lineman that has made our 4-man rush useless. We need a true edge rusher.

TBC is our best pass rusher... He has improved, but all you really need to say is that he's far and away our best. I'd be interested in seeing Adalius do more on the end.

TBC being our best pass rusher says a lot, he's good, above avg. but is not the answer.

I'm interested in seeing if the young guys work out because if they do BB is more likely to take a pass rushing OLB. His history says he doesn't like drafting OLB's and if the new guys don't work out he'll take a D-lineman thats his HX.

Personally i love watching pass rushers at work i would be thrilled if we took one in the draft, or sign one as a FA.

As far as AD goes hes become a major dissapointment, maybe Baltimore new something when they chose to let him hit the market.