Maroney is more of a disappointment than a BUST

[maverick4]

Maroney is a decent back, just isn't a 1st rounder in retrospect.

I also don't think many would want to re-sign him next year, if he asked for starter-type money.

 

[HarkDawg]

Maroney is a decent back, just isn't a 1st rounder in retrospect.

I also don't think many would want to re-sign him next year, if he asked for starter-type money.

agreed....


I see the Maroney lovers have given this thread a 1 Star rating

 

[HarkDawg]

Number one pics are suppose to contribute and have an immediate positive impact. So instead of calling Maroney a BUST...... b/c he does not deserve to be in the category of jamarcus russel.


Maroney is in fact a "disappointment" pick when measured up against past ones of 2001-Present.



2001 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2002 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado [29]
2003 13 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M [30]
2004 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) [31]
32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
2005 32 Logan Mankins OG Fresno State
2006 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2007 24 Brandon Meriweather S Miami (FL) [32]
2008 10 Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee [33]

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[ausbacker]

Maroney is a decent back, just isn't a 1st rounder in retrospect.

I also don't think many would want to re-sign him next year, if he asked for starter-type money.

I never blame the player for the position they are drafted in.

I'm undecided on LoMo. I see the potential, but I also watch Adrian Peterson week in week out making plays (and the stupid Vikings threw the ball 51 times on the weekend.. 51 times).

We should play him in the spread offense out wide. He's far better in open space IMO.

 

[livinginthe past]

agreed....


I see the Maroney lovers have given this thread a 1 Star rating

Maroney threads are boring and predictable.

Even the people who are backing Maroney have nothing new to say - its probably one starred because, in your arrogance, you thought you were bringing something new to the table.

In reality, you were just rehashing stuff thats been done a hundred times before.

 

[maverick4]

I never blame the player for the position they are drafted in.

I'm undecided on LoMo. I see the potential, but I also watch Adrian Peterson week in week out making plays (and the stupid Vikings threw the ball 51 times on the weekend.. 51 times).

We should play him in the spread offense out wide. He's far better in open space IMO.

Even not knowing his draft position... when his contract is up after this year, are you willing to pay him starter money to re-sign?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Seriously, can we declare a moratorium on stupid Maroney threads? We get it, every two-bit genius here thinks he's a bust, and frankly none of you are going to be convinced no matter what happens. You guys won't be happy unless he carries for 1300 yards, which will never happen unless he gets 250+ carries. And he's never going to get 250+ carries, so you guys will always consider him a bust. Whatever, that's your right, I guess, but nobody's going to be convinced one way or the other. At this point this is such a dead horse that it's practically a joke in its own right.

 

[ausbacker]

Even not knowing his draft position... when his contract is up after this year, are you willing to pay him starter money to re-sign?

Personally, not on big money no. That said, I don't believe we have one established starter but a collection of runners who are capable of doing the job collectively.

I'd kill for an established starter for the next 5 or so years. Go on Rams.. gives us Jackson.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I never blame the player for the position they are drafted in.

I'm undecided on LoMo. I see the potential, but I also watch Adrian Peterson week in week out making plays (and the stupid Vikings threw the ball 51 times on the weekend.. 51 times).

We should play him in the spread offense out wide. He's far better in open space IMO.

I dunno if comparing him to AP is totally fair- every other RB in the NFL today will come up way short in that comparison. ANd remember, the difference between a top-10 pick and a twenty-something pick is significant, both in terms of the average level of talent and the paycheck. I just don't think that they're directly comparable.

That said, the downside of how Cihldress is using Peterson is that he's going to be a broken-down JAG within 3-4 years. Not saying it's not worth it, but it's definitely something to consider.

 

[HarkDawg]

Brady that is not true..... I consider him to be a Disappointment Pick.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

those who've written Maroney off or say he's a "bust" just don't know what they're talking about and I ignore them...

but, as I've said many, many times out here, there's no doubt that a lot of us have been disappointed in him given the hype around his first round pick...but that doesn't mean he isn't a valuable contributor in his own right... it just means that we have to be grown ups, adapt our expectations and accept him for the solid player he is, who, as BB noted today, would benefit from better blocking...

 

[BradyFTW!]

look how well we have hit on FIRST ROUNDERS.

Watson/Merriwheather are coming around........ Everybody except Maroney is a standout/impact player.





Watson is healthy for a change and we can finally see him at work.

If you had been here last year, you would have watched as people bashed Watson and Meriweather in the exact same way that you're going after Maroney. In fact, if anything, Watson should be an object lesson in why it's stupid to perform this kind of analysis.

Watson is much like Maroney- asked for years to fulfill a specific role in the Pats' offense, and he fills it as a starter, but because Pats fans are convinced that every first rounder MUST become an all-pro, he's a bust, even though his role in the offense precludes him from being an all-pro in the first place.

So for everyone who's derisively calling me a Maroney-lover now, just remember that last year the same people were giving me crap for maintaining that Watson was just fine as a TE. I also maintained that it was okay for Meriweather to not be starting yet, because there's no law saying that second-year guys have to start, and it doesn't mean he's behind-schedule. I wasn't as near-universally ridiculed for that opinion, though. Likewise, in '07 and '08, I was getting slammed for claiming that Kaczur did not, in fact, suck.

In particular, it's funny how quickly people have reversed course on Watson, and after years of absolutely killing him, suddenly everyone's pretending that they never doubted him. Maybe the same will happen when Maroney strings together a few good games once the bad weather rolls around and we spend a little less time in the shotgun spread...

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

those who've written Maroney off or say he's a "bust" just don't know what they're talking about and I ignore them...

but, as I've said many, many times out here, there's no doubt that a lot of us have been disappointed in him given the hype around his first round pick...but that doesn't mean he isn't a valuable contributor in his own right... it just means that we have to be grown ups, adapt our expectations and accept him for the solid player he is, who, as BB noted today, would benefit from better blocking...

Maroney is never going to be a solid threat in the backfield,that to me is a given.

Where Maroney excells and what he is best and lethal at is catching 2-5 yard out pass patterns where he could get into space and use his speed - Maroney does not like contact so why not use him more in this fashion to where he can provide some asset to the team?.

 

[ausbacker]

I dunno if comparing him to AP is totally fair- every other RB in the NFL today will come up way short in that comparison. ANd remember, the difference between a top-10 pick and a twenty-something pick is significant, both in terms of the average level of talent and the paycheck. I just don't think that they're directly comparable.

That said, the downside of how Cihldress is using Peterson is that he's going to be a broken-down JAG within 3-4 years. Not saying it's not worth it, but it's definitely something to consider.

BradyFTW! perhaps I should have expanded my thoughts. I wasn't directly comparing Peterson with Maroney as that's a no brainer. My thoughts were more along the lines of time in the league and impact. This now becomes a discussion about scheme and player use.

I don't necessarily agree with your regarding Peterson as Oklahoma used him pretty extensively, plus he has a fantastic run blocking o-line in front of him.

 

[HarkDawg]

If you had been here last year, you would have watched as people bashed Watson and Meriweather in the exact same way that you're going after Maroney. In fact, if anything, Watson should be an object lesson in why it's stupid to perform this kind of analysis.

Watson is much like Maroney- asked for years to fulfill a specific role in the Pats' offense, and he fills it as a starter, but because Pats fans are convinced that every first rounder MUST become an all-pro, he's a bust, even though his role in the offense precludes him from being an all-pro in the first place.

So for everyone who's derisively calling me a Maroney-lover now, just remember that last year the same people were giving me crap for maintaining that Watson was just fine as a TE. I also maintained that it was okay for Meriweather to not be starting yet, because there's no law saying that second-year guys have to start, and it doesn't mean he's behind-schedule. I wasn't as near-universally ridiculed for that opinion, though. Likewise, in '07 and '08, I was getting slammed for claiming that Kaczur did not, in fact, suck.

In particular, it's funny how quickly people have reversed course on Watson, and after years of absolutely killing him, suddenly everyone's pretending that they never doubted him. Maybe the same will happen when Maroney strings together a few good games once the bad weather rolls around and we spend a little less time in the shotgun spread...

I was never against these 2. I questioned Watson's ability to stay healthy and that is it. I never disliked his play.

 

[BradyFTW!]

BradyFTW! perhaps I should have expanded my thoughts. I wasn't directly comparing Peterson with Maroney as that's a no brainer. My thoughts were more along the lines of time in the league and impact. This now becomes a discussion about scheme and player use.

I don't necessarily agree with your regarding Peterson as Oklahoma used him pretty extensively, plus he has a fantastic run blocking o-line in front of him.

Fair enough, that one's on me then, I think I just read your post wrong, took the wrong message from it. I do maintain that Peterson will be broken down by the time he's 28 though- feel free to quote me on it now. The fact that he ran a ton at OU just strengthens the case, IMO, since those carries age a RB just like pro carries do. In fact, if I was scouting in the NFL, I'd want to look for RBs that hadn't been workhorses in college. That was part of why I loved Ronnie Brown coming out- he and Cadillac Williams balanced out the Auburn offense beautifully, so that neither RB had a ton of wear on them coming in. Same with Maroney and Barber at Minnesota, or Jones and McFadden at Arkansas. Splitting carries in college is a point in a RB's favor.

As for Peterson, he sustained a bunch of fairly-serious injuries at Oklahoma, and he's been nicked up a lot since he came into the NFL. IMO, it's a combination of him logging a lot of carries and the fact that his aggressive and upright running style leaves him open to absorbing a lot of pretty vicious hits (Maroney also has/had a very upright running style, and it hasn't exactly done him any favors). Remember, 3 years ago the best RBs in the league were LT and Larry Johnson, and they were both young guys. RBs under heavy workloads age remarkably quickly, but for some reason people are always surprised when it happens. Peterson will see a *steep* decline by the time he's 28 if they don't lighten his workload significantly over the next couple of years. Guaranteed.

If you look at the RBs who stay productive into their 30s, it's almost exclusively guys who split carries and/or missed large periods of time with injuries that healed, and this is the silver lining. Priest Holmes, Kevin Faulk, Fred Taylor, Warrick Dunn, could have been Tiki Barber if he hadn't retired, etc.

 

[DaBruinz]

look how well we have hit on FIRST ROUNDERS.

Watson/Merriwheather are coming around........ Everybody except Maroney is a standout/impact player.





Watson is healthy for a change and we can finally see him at work.

How long has it taken for Watson to come around? This is his 6th season. Yet, you are sitting there judging Maroney on a little more than 2. Talk about not judging players equally. Maroney is an impact player. He's good, not great. But people like yourself have ridiculous expectations and look at things only in a vacuum. So, talking with you about it is next to pointless.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Where Maroney excells and what he is best and lethal at is catching 2-5 yard out pass patterns where he could get into space and use his speed - Maroney does not like contact so why not use him more in this fashion to where he can provide some asset to the team?.

Where do you come up with he doesnt like contact? I know that moron Felger has said that but have you ever watrched LM, I see no indication he doesnt like contact, unless you were having beers with him one night ans he told you that personally, then in that case I apologize

 

[BradyFTW!]

Where do you come up with he doesnt like contact? I know that moron Felger has said that but have you ever watrched LM, I see no indication he doesnt like contact, unless you were having beers with him one night ans he told you that personally, then in that case I apologize

It's a completely made-up argument that has absolutely no basis in reality, but that's pretty much standard for the poster that you quoted.

 

[HarkDawg]

How long has it taken for Watson to come around? This is his 6th season. Yet, you are sitting there judging Maroney on a little more than 2. Talk about not judging players equally. Maroney is an impact player. He's good, not great. But people like yourself have ridiculous expectations and look at things only in a vacuum. So, talking with you about it is next to pointless.

he will never be a dominant runner........ I expect him to be consistent and he cannot do that. Running Backs especially need to be consistent.



Screw running... turn Maroney into a outlet receiver. He is not the power runner I expected to get from Minnesota.