Brian Baldinger: Belichick's defense is outdated

[crowell33]

Re: Brian Baldinger:Belichick's defense is outdated

This guy is an idiot. This is the defense Belichick has chosen to deploy this year. Every week the top tacklers have been the safeties and cornerbacks. Perhaps with Mayo back this will change ... but this is what Belichick has chosen. Clogs up the line ... LBer's cover the TE's and RB's and he makes the teams try to beat us with their WR's.

Once the offense gets on track I think we'll be fine. Anything +21 gives us a great chance to win each week and we should be doing that with little problem. We should be at least 4-1 so I would say it's working and it will get even better.

I especially agree with the first sentence of the last paragraph. Also, according to the Patriots.com Meriweather and Guyton are the teams top 2 tacklers.

 

[JSn]

Re: Brian Baldinger:Belichick's defense is outdated

I especially agree with the first sentence of the last paragraph. Also, according to the Patriots.com Meriweather and Guyton are the teams top 2 tacklers.

That's only because Mayo has been out. Watch him catch up by week 16.

 

[crowell33]

Re: Brian Baldinger:Belichick's defense is outdated

That's only because Mayo has been out. Watch him catch up by week 16.

Completely agree. Guyton has been great but Mayo is on a whole other level.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Brian Baldinger:Belichick's defense is outdated

I especially agree with the first sentence of the last paragraph. Also, according to the Patriots.com Meriweather and Guyton are the teams top 2 tacklers.

Every game I check the tackles ...

The team has 246 tackles ... 46% of these are by 4 secondary players.

Meriweather > 34

McGowan > 29

Springs > 26

Bodden > 24

This is no accident ... this is a defense Belichick is still working on. People thought we would rush the QB more with the 4-3 but what Bill has done is just tie up the line more forcing teams to beat us by passing to the WR's. 2 LB'ers usually drop into zone coverage in the middle.

Now here's the kicker ... take away the Jet's game
which was the exception ... where the DL made most of the tackles.

172 total tackles ... 57.6 % of the tackles are by 4 secondary players.

Meriweather > 30

McGowan > 24

Springs > 23

Bodden > 22

I'll leave it to the experts here to tell me what this is called ... but it's a work in progress. Some version of a big nickel? :confused2: This was all the rage in last years draft. Belichick did grab Wheatly, Wilhite, Chung and Butler so he is working on it and I think it's more than just revamping the secondary.

For the record Bill Belichick employed the big nickel when he first came here. It was more aggressive ... perhaps related to different personel that we have now. There was more safety and CB blitzing then. Perhaps that will come as the players mature.

 

[bigfandan]

Re: Brian Baldinger:Belichick's defense is outdated

For the record Bill Belichick employed the big nickel when he first came here. It was more aggressive ... perhaps related to different personel that we have now. There was more safety and CB blitzing then. Perhaps that will come as the players mature.

You gota be kidding. This defense is useless; a long track record of blowing leads late in the game.

 

[supafly]

Re: Brian Baldinger:Belichick's defense is outdated

You gota be kidding. This defense is useless; a long track record of blowing leads late in the game.

Although the defense has had some issues, it has certainly done it's job to some degree. More importantly, it has shown potential to be much better down the road. Your statement may be a tad on the harsh side, especially the part about it being useless.

There are some problems to shore up and fix, etc, but I think it's far from useless. Once the problems are solved in other areas, offense, penalties, special teams, etc--you won't notice the defense's weaknesses as much. At least that's what I presume anyway.

 

[bbell31]

this defense is better than it has been in the past three years but id like a bit more blitzing like we did with either the ravens or falcons...we do miss asante bc he would gamble and pick that quick hitch pass that teams are killin us with each week but asante would also do his own thing sometimes and thatd hurt us

 

[Wax Frog]

Re: Brian Baldinger:Belichick's defense is outdated

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone dredged up the old "game has passed him by" narrative... *sigh*

 

[Patspsycho]

Re: Brian Baldinger:Belichick's defense is outdated

It's ridiculous to diagnose the defense or the schematics being run, when the D hasn't even had a chance to gel. Mayo, the leader is just getting back into the swing of things. Even then, both he and Guyton who will more or less form the nucleus of the D, combined, have less than two years of experience (1.25 for Mayo, .25 for Guyton). In the secondary, we have Bodden who has only been in the patriots system for 1/4 of the season, Meriweather has just over 1 year of experience, and Wilhite started late last season.

The only stalwart presence on D is Wilfork, Warren, and Sanders.

Two of the biggest components (and the heart of the D) have retired: Bruschi and Harrison.

This is a major transformation.

To be crucifying them and BB just five games into the season with a winning record and both losses coming by less than a total of 10 points is.. silly..

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

to whomever tagged this thread, thats pretty funny

 

[furry]

I get personel changes and that these can have a real impact on a defense.

What annoys me though is how we fail to react so often to what the other team are doing.

It was really clear early on Sunday that Orton wasn't going to thrown the deep ball, fact that was probably clear years ago let alone for this week.

So why do we play all the passive off coverage that we play. Get up on the line and try and knock the WRs out their routes to throw the timing off. Take the quick drop off him and make him beat you. I believe we have the safety coverage to take a guy like Orton out the game.

 

[BradyMoss812]

I get personel changes and that these can have a real impact on a defense.

What annoys me though is how we fail to react so often to what the other team are doing.

It was really clear early on Sunday that Orton wasn't going to thrown the deep ball, fact that was probably clear years ago let alone for this week.

So why do we play all the passive off coverage that we play. Get up on the line and try and knock the WRs out their routes to throw the timing off. Take the quick drop off him and make him beat you. I believe we have the safety coverage to take a guy like Orton out the game.

This.

I didn't understand the gameplan on defense on Sunday. If the D line can't get pressure on Orton because he's throwing quick 5-10 yard passes to his receivers, why have the secondary play so far off the receivers? If you can see that Orton's not going deep, why not put pressure on the receivers?

The annoying thing is that against the Ravens, the secondary played one of the most physical games I've seen in a very long time, only to go back to a very passive attitude last Sunday.

 

[hgelpke]

It's the offense that cost us those 2 games, not the defense. If Brady and Co. can get in sync then it would be easy to exceed their opponents in PPG. Does our defense need to hold opponents to 10 or fewer points to get it done? It would be nice, but our defense is doing it's job. Do people still think we have Duane Starks and Dehlta O'Neil on the roster? Our defense is growing into itsself and once it does, god help our opposition.

 

[letekro]

This.

I didn't understand the gameplan on defense on Sunday. If the D line can't get pressure on Orton because he's throwing quick 5-10 yard passes to his receivers, why have the secondary play so far off the receivers? If you can see that Orton's not going deep, why not put pressure on the receivers?

The annoying thing is that against the Ravens, the secondary played one of the most physical games I've seen in a very long time, only to go back to a very passive attitude last Sunday.

Because Marshall and Royal are big plays waiting to happen. If you miss a jam it could be six. You don't have that problem with the Ravens' crappy receivers. With the Pats ahead it made sense to play conservatively on D. Since we would've won if our offense could've generated a measly FG in the second half, I think the defensive plan was sound.

 

[Patspsycho]

Because Marshall and Royal are big plays waiting to happen. If you miss a jam it could be six. You don't have that problem with the Ravens' crappy receivers. With the Pats ahead it made sense to play conservatively on D. Since we would've won if our offense could've generated a measly FG in the second half, I think the defensive plan was sound.

However on the other hand, if we forced Orton to the long toss, that is pushing him outside his comfort zone and making him do something he doesn't want to do. We could have had safeties play zone to protect at the top.

But the way we played D this past sunday, we played right into Orton's hands because he is willing to sit there all day and make short completions and never lose patience. That is how he got over 300 yards.

 

[JD10367]

Who the **** is Brian Baldinger? A hack OL who did nothing of note. Who is he to criticize a guy whose defensive game plan is in the ****ing Hall of ****ing Fame? This is the equivalent of the geeky kid who sells computers at Best Buy trying to tell Bill Gates how to run Microsoft. Just another case of some idiot talking head opening his yap to get attention. I'm sure Borges will be whacking off to Baldinger's pic this weekend....

 

[WelshPat]

Brian Baldinger is good on playbook, but i think the problem is the talent, not the scheme

 

[Joker]

Baldinger's clown suit is out of date...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Who the **** is Brian Baldinger? A hack OL who did nothing of note. Who is he to criticize a guy whose defensive game plan is in the ****ing Hall of ****ing Fame? This is the equivalent of the geeky kid who sells computers at Best Buy trying to tell Bill Gates how to run Microsoft. Just another case of some idiot talking head opening his yap to get attention. I'm sure Borges will be whacking off to Baldinger's pic this weekend....

He spent 15 minutes trying to articulate this theory on the air with DA tonight and what it comes down to is he wants Bill to scrap his system and become the JETS whom he says aren't nearly as talented as us but they do what they have to do in "today's" NFL. I guess that's why they are 3-2 as well...albeit throwing each other under the bus this week because they don't have a core defensive philisophy beyond changing coaches every 3 years and talking smack until the wheels fall off their wagon and they start pointing fingers at each other. I'll take BB's system and the long view any time. Even in perhaps a slightly overly postponed transition.

 

[bigfandan]

Brian Baldinger is good on playbook, but i think the problem is the talent, not the scheme

Whose responsibility is it to draft talent? Is it the routine of blame-the-other-guy again? Bill is never wrong.